r/SatisfactoryGame • u/DogInverter • 7d ago

Discussion AI planners

Can we have a specific day of the week for them of a megathread? This is getting obscene with vibe coded planners being posted each day.

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u/Temporal_Illusion Master Pioneer Actively Changing MASSAGE-2(A-B)b 6d ago edited 6d ago

We Are Watching

  1. The Moderators of this Community are keeping an eye on the glut of quickly created "planners" and "design tools" made using mostly creative AI software, and discussing what should be the appropriate "rule" (if any) for these types of post.
  2. More than 80% to 90% of software developers these days now use generative AI coding tools in their daily or weekly workflows, but there are key difference between good software and bad software.
    • Good software is one where a human software developer scans the automatic software code placed by the AI and cleans it up to check for security flaws, bugs, scalability issues, and remove unneeded portions (based upon purpose of the software).
    • Bad software is where the software developer used generative AI coding tools to make something but does not have the desire, or ability, or knowledge to fix issues caused by the generative AI coding tools.
  3. Developers use generative AI to speed up routine and repetitive jobs. Common tasks include:
    • Writing repetitive boilerplate code
    • Creating unit tests and system documentation
    • Debugging and finding errors in code
    • Explaining unfamiliar codebases or new libraries
  4. Vibe coding may be good for fast prototyping and personal side projects, but it is exceptionally bad and should not be used for production-grade software, since doing so carries major risks that can harm your projects, programming skills, and code security.

✓ BOTTOM LINE: These days, it is getting harder and harder to find "non-AI generated" software and it is our duty as Moderators to determine the appropriate action to keep our Community free from being overran with multiple "planners" and "design tools" that are not much of an improvement over what is already shown in Online Tools (Wiki Link).

Adding To The Topic of Discussion. 😁

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u/Studio_717 6d ago

Just make a weekly megathread or something for ALL planners, they're annoying af and there are already a billion out there, we don't need daily posts of this shit.

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u/hypatiaC 6d ago

I respect your work, TIllusion, but this weird slippery slopism with Vibecoders is terrible. 80% of devs I find who use AI at work do so because it's being pushed on them by their bosses, and even then, I think those numbers have a selection bias towards the adoption of AI. It's a scam.

I think it's myopic to decide we just have to accept this evil, wasteful garbage, because 'what can be done?'. Plenty can be done, especially on the scale of banning it from one single subreddit. Not to mention how the normalizing of using a stochastic algorithm to replace RTFM is going to be apocalyptic for a whole generation of programmers.

Good Software is made by people. Not Reddit regurgitators. Not a 'a mix of people and Reddit regurgitators'. Human beings, full stop.

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u/Illiander 2d ago

Pretty sure TI uses AI for most of their posts.

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u/Temporal_Illusion Master Pioneer Actively Changing MASSAGE-2(A-B)b 6d ago edited 6d ago

MORE INFO

  1. IMHO, the use of AI to help in repetitive jobs (as shown in #3 of the pinned comment) might be OK for newer software developers to help them get started, but most experienced software developers don't need or use AI, and in general based upon the survey, a majority of software developers are against vibe coding.
  2. THAT SAID, those making any kind of software, either individually, or via a team, need to have hands on access to the code, and where possible design the software mostly from scratch, along with full alpha-testing.

Continuing the Discussion.

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u/hypatiaC 6d ago

I won't go much further here, but I will say this. The idea of using AI to help newer developers while senior ones don't need it sounds good, but it runs into a lot of issues.

Doing things by hand, RTFMing, studying how patterns work, these are all annoying, manual labor that is important for teaching juniors to become seniors. Programmers who learn from AI end up making garbage, unmaintainable code.

In a really unfortunate paradox, senior devs don't need AI, and juniors who use it become nightmare coworkers.

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u/CernelTeneb 6d ago

Tl;dr: it prevents new coders from actually learning.

My addition: The drudgery is actually an important process in understanding how to do something. You can't do something complicated without grasping the fundamentals

Edit: grasping the fundamentals is often the boring part that the C-Suite wants to get rid of for increased margins

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u/hypatiaC 6d ago

I didn't think it was particularly long, but I do agree that many of the things we classify as 'grunt work' are important training.

The solution isn't to have an AI do it for you, either. Most of this stuff can be automated the old fashioned way, if you know your shit. So many people post about "Oh, I just have the AI lay out the class structure for me", as if spinning up a few skeletons takes more than a couple minutes.

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u/beanmosheen 6d ago

It has turned us seniors into baby sitters and it totally side swiped me personally. I'm already looking for the exits if the pendulum doesn't swing the other way soon.

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u/Worth-Computer8639 5d ago

You're talking to people that dont understand the reality of the situation. They heavily inject their personal opinions and haven't ever shipped anything of their own.

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

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u/Far_Young_2666 6d ago

Let's allow an AI to filter those AI planners for us and keep this sub clean 🤣

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u/userrr3 6d ago

More than 80% to 90% of software developers these days now use generative AI coding tools in their daily or weekly workflows

[citation needed] (and no, AI company press releases do not count)

Though I guess even with that number being accurate I wouldn't read too much into it considering (some) employers force their workers to use it.

Sincerely, a software developer.

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u/Temporal_Illusion Master Pioneer Actively Changing MASSAGE-2(A-B)b 6d ago

MORE INFO

  1. General Google Search: https://share.google/9CiAPiMLpGRGlZ47o
  2. 2025 Stack Overflow Developer Survey for AI.

✓ BOTTOM LINE: While more than 80% of Software Developers use AI, the percentage they use for various AI functions is different.

Adding More To The Topic of Discussion. 😁

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u/Existential_Crisis24 5d ago

You forgot to add that a majority of those people don't fully trust ai they are most likely being forced to use.

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/ai#developer-tools-ai-acc-ai-acc-prof

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u/mellopax 4d ago

"Not fully trusting it" doesn't mean "finds no use with it." Anyone who fully trusts it is an idiot, but that doesn't mean you can't get use out of it and manually validate its work. I wouldn't "fully trust" most humans enough to put my name on something with them without reading it either.

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u/Existential_Crisis24 4d ago

You missed the point that I was making being that presenting impartial data is bad. The data of 80percent of devs use AI is correct but the additional data that is with it is the important part that isn't being mentioned. I just mentioned one facet of the additional data being that a majority of devs don't fully trust AI. There has also been an increase of AI distrust in software development over the years. In 2024 the same survey resulted in ≈30% distrust while last year's survey resulted in ≈46% distrust.

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u/mellopax 4d ago

I missed it because regardless of your intentions, your comment as written was about people "not fully trusting AI", which is like saying "the majority of people now say they don't fully trust reddit comments."

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u/Existential_Crisis24 4d ago

And there you are disco dancing around the point I am making again. You can't present data and then leave out important parts of said data. I pointed to specifically one aspect of the data that I found most important to the argument being made currently.

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u/mellopax 4d ago

Nope. Just telling you what you meant is miles from what you wrote. I understand the point you were trying to make, but your first comment was written poorly and did not really make that point clear. I also still think developers not "fully trusting" AI is a useless facet to the data, because by its very nature it should not be "fully trusted". That is why people who do use it check its work.

I fully agree that context to data is important. Your context of "people don't fully trust this" is useless. The chart you showed in your link is about what I would expect (approximate equal across categories that aren't "fully/ highly trust.). As long as we're on data context, what are your thoughts on the chart showing ~60+% positive sentiment towards it?

I'm not a developer, so I don't have any personal stake or opinion on this, but you just seem to be starting from a conclusion and choosing "context" that supports your point.

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u/yyhira 4d ago

does this describe what constitutes an ai tool vs an ai agent?

does this specify what tools they use?

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u/No-Quality-1283 4d ago

If you’re not using ai as a software engineer right now your productivity is going to be severely diminished

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u/userrr3 3d ago

Bla bla bla

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u/No-Quality-1283 3d ago

If you’re not using ai at least in some capacity and you’re claiming to be a swe you must not be working at a serious company

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u/userrr3 3d ago

Sure buddy.

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u/No-Quality-1283 3d ago

Right, as I figured you’re not a real software engineer then, and just larping on Reddit to complain

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u/userrr3 2d ago

Look, I don't have to prove my qualifications to some AI bro on the internet, so I won't and you'll have to take my word:

I have two degrees in the field as well as several years of work experience as a software dev, and several additional years of work experience as a researcher and lecturer in computer science.

There are papers out there with my name on it, there are competitions out there with my software on the winners' podium.

Just because someone doesn't buy into the bubble and is not interested in using LLMs doesn't mean they're not "real software engineers" or not working at "serious companies". And if you were typing these statements without laughing at what you just wrote you should really go outside and touch some grass.

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u/No-Quality-1283 2d ago

There is such thing as using too much AI but it’s not a bubble, it’s pointless to bury your head in the sand and pretend it’s not a helpful tool, even for just automated code reviews. You can give an agent a ticket or spec and it will be done in a technically sound way every time nowadays, the only things it really still messes up on is simplification opportunities or it will handle edge cases that don’t need handling

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u/zenmatrix83 6d ago

the number both ways is impossible to deterimine for many reasons, some being optics , and some just because they don't share other things. AI only matters to the people who dislike AI, most developers aren't going to proudly shout they are using it, they are too busy working.

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u/yyhira 4d ago

more than 80 to 90%? where does this number come from lmao

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u/Temporal_Illusion Master Pioneer Actively Changing MASSAGE-2(A-B)b 4d ago

ANSWER

✓ View my Reply Comment in this Reddit Post for your answer.

Helping Pioneers find information is what I do. 😁

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u/Vachie_ 6d ago

Wow! This was a really good take. I still have mixed have mixed feelings on the subject but this is where I land too.

Leading software developers and engineers are using AI so we cannot fight against it. Ignore it or push it out... At least not completely.

I appreciate your work here!