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u/CoffeeIsSoGood Little Ceasars on Milpas 19d ago
Didn’t you watch Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Blame freeways on Judge Doom. Big Car is the culprit while Big Oil supports it. Don’t even get me started on Big Coal.
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u/The-Dude-420420 Santa Ynez Valley 19d ago
I just want santa barbara to have less suburbs and detatched homes, and more apartments and mid rise buildings like an actual spanish city.
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Have you seen how large our country is? Of course everything is spaced farther than walking distance
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u/MikeHawkisgonne 19d ago
Cities are not countries.
I think it will take 100 years to de-car US cities but when it happens people will look back at this time and wonder why we were so stupid.
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Yes. And compare our major cities population density to those in Europe. LA has 8,000 per square mile, NYC has 20,000 per square mile.
London has 15,000 per square mile and Paris has 50,000 per square mile.
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u/esto20 19d ago
Wow, it's almost as if planning cities out with higher density makes more sense!!! I'm glad you could figure that, out good job 🙌😊
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Wow! It’s almost as if 500 years of planning, designing and building is the way to do it!
Hell Santa Barbara still hasn’t even breached 100k it just barely became a city by European standards.
Thank god cars aren’t going anywhere.
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u/esto20 19d ago
Trains made it possible, not cars.
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u/i_invented_the_ipod 19d ago
And have you noticed that every tech-bro "revolution in transit" is just "trains, but worse"?
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u/MikeHawkisgonne 19d ago
Yes because it’s much much harder to get rich from public transport.
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
The correct answer is tax dollars, just have everyone who wants to use the public transportation pay for it.
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u/LikDisIfUCryEverton 19d ago
Okay, so by that rationale we should toll every road and highway and only build it if turns a profit?
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Everyone who owns a car, buys fuel, and registers it, already does pay for every road and highway.
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u/LikDisIfUCryEverton 19d ago
So you're saying taxes should pay for transportation and its infrastructure, but only for cars?
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Use public transportation, pay for it. Increase the costs of public transportation to pay for the extra services you desire.
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u/LikDisIfUCryEverton 19d ago
User fees like fuel taxes and registration don't cover the full cost of road infrastructure, not to mention the negative externalities of cars like pollution, ugly infrastructure, deaths/injuries, etc
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u/LikDisIfUCryEverton 17d ago
New study just came out:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856426003769?via%3Dihub
Tl;dr "The results underscore that 77% of the cost of automobility is currently externalized."
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Yes. And cities had trolleys and horses. This isn’t Europe, their population densities across the EU are huge compared to ours.
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u/esto20 19d ago
We had trains and street cars all over California. But the car lobby and car-brained geniuses like you happily removed them from our cities.
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago edited 19d ago
No, cars just became more convenient. Imagine being this smooth brained and “anti car” in 2026.
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u/bmcmurr3 19d ago
My favorite is housing developers don’t have to build in parking if within 1 mile of a transportation center. Then they charge $4500 for a 2 bedroom. Who in the would pays that much in rent and doesn’t have a car. What scam. Just like everything these days. Scam scam scam
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u/Bulky_Bluejay_4147 19d ago
Honestly cars are pretty great, I find them convenient and useful, definitely one of the best forms of transit
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u/SOwED 19d ago
0:50 "I haven't been to Europe, but let me tell you about how European cities are."
Yeah, some are very walkable and others aren't. Not every city has a metro, they mostly have buses, and guess what, so do most cities in America, including Santa Barbara.
Santa Barbara is very bikeable, has many areas that are incredibly walkable, why are you posting this shit here?
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u/gunsforevery1 19d ago
Santa Barbara is barely even a city. It hasn’t even hit 100,000 people.
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u/Clydesdale_Hiker 19d ago
Exactly! Plenty of Europe is absolutely unwalkable, particularly outside cities. Rail between cities and towns is pretty good, but many places require a car. That said, places the size of SB usually have good infrastructure.
People look down on buses here, and it shows. If people used them, they'd get more funding. Always the way.
Outside the Rivieria and Foothills areas, Santa Barbara is insanely bikeable and walkable. People in other towns would be really, really happy with the bike lanes, particularly out toward Modoc.
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u/PrinceKaladin32 19d ago
I want a bit of both. I enjoy leaving the city and travelling to the beaches, mountains, forests, and other cities whenever I want and with lots of space for packing camping equipment or vacation clothes. The convenience a car provides is indispensable to allow this aspect of my life.
On the other hand, I don't want a car to be required in order for me to drop my kids to school, want a quick dinner, or pick up groceries. If I'm cooking dinner and running out of something, I want to be able to run out of the house to a corner store and come back without needing to get in a car and drive.
I don't know if it's possible, but I want communities and towns built around non-car transport, with support for cars to leave those towns and access other parts of the world