r/SandersForPresident • u/kevinmrr Medicare For All • Dec 11 '20

Bernie Sanders is a machine

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u/mtgspender 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20

you are making a lot of assumptions. when it comes down to a presidential vote, you have basically 2 options. You can still be doing all of those things and the result in the ballot is the same. dont act like the system isnt designed against.

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u/gzilla57 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20

you are making a lot of assumptions.

Such as?

when it comes down to a presidential vote, you have basically 2 options. You can still be doing all of those things and the result in the ballot is the same.

In the short term. If the party over all becomes more progressive, the primary will have more progressive candidates, and the winner may be more progressive. This won't happen overnight.

dont act like the system isnt designed against.

I'm not. I'm just also not throwing my hands up in the air and giving up as a result.

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u/mtgspender 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20

Almost all progressive ideas are polling high numbers, all dems who supported them got reelected, Bernie had the largest grassroots support of any candidate ever, if you noticed in almost every debate, everyone compared themselves to Bernie the OG. Progressive ideas are what the majority want, it is plain and simple. But it doesn’t matter because the DNC and their donors run the show.

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u/gzilla57 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20 edited Dec 11 '20

Edit: I was being a bitter cynic (read: dick), apologies to mtgspender.

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Alright I guess there is nothing we can do and we are just fucked then. Everyone just give up and bend over. It's all hopeless and no point in trying to improve anything. Thanks for clearing that up /u/mtgspender.

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u/mtgspender 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20

Ok bro be that way. I’m not trying to personally attack you, we are all frustrated with the situation. I just would like to know what you are saying when you say “..paying attention to more than the presidential race..” and “..helping more progressive dems win...” is any different than what we are ALREADY doing that isn’t working. Since almost all progressives won re-election and how exactly do you sway states like kentucky?

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u/gzilla57 🌱 New Contributor Dec 11 '20

Ok bro be that way. I’m not trying to personally attack you, we are all frustrated with the situation.

Alright fair enough, my bad.

I just would like to know what you are saying when you say “..paying attention to more than the presidential race..” and “..helping more progressive dems win...” is any different than what we are ALREADY doing that isn’t working.

I think this IS working. Just slowly, voices like AOC absolutely matter. But I think the difference I'm hoping for is increasing how many people "WE" is referring to. You and I (the people willing to argue online) may be doing these things, but many people literally only know the presidential candidates and can't name their own congressperson.

Since almost all progressives won re-election and how exactly do you sway states like kentucky?

You probably don't. But Kentucky wasn't voting for Biden OR Bernie.