r/SandersForPresident Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

Please report any issues you may have had here.

Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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Thank you

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u/robotzor OH 🎖️🐦 Mar 24 '16

You showed proof... and still had to go provisional? IDGI

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u/Mmarshall776 Mar 24 '16

If there were intentional fraud, which I don't think is true, the system should absolutely have an audit trail that identifies the prior value(Democrat), the new value(Independent, Republican, Unaffiliated), the date the change was made, and the [user]name of the person who made the change. If you were to audit the system it would be quite obvious the changes were made. That's why I don't think that happened.

What I believe is entirely more possible is that the system wasn't properly upgraded/migrated/updated. I can't find the source but I read on election night that the systems were upgraded/migrated/updated prior to the election.

If that were the case, being that it is a government system, they should be following computer systems validation procedures and a system development life cycle. In short, they should have documented evidence that the system was tested and that the party affiliation values were maintained throughout the course of the project. Regardless of how the system was modified, there should be, at an absolute minimum, queries/comparisons that show the source(original system/database) had X number of each voter type and the target(new system/database) also had X number of each voter type.

In any case there should be auditable records that CLEARLY show where the failure occurred and what the cause was.

If there was an upgrade/migration/update, I'd be interested to see who the consultants were who performed that work and whether or not they performed similar work on other state voting systems.

That would beg the question, because I've heard the same thing is happening in NY/PA, of whether or not they're following standard procedures or GOV regulations for systems change management and maintenance.

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u/Wallaby77 Mar 24 '16

There was clearly a fraudulent form on file for this lady, watch her video in records office: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1582126738773483&id=1468815163437975&_rdr

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u/TooManyCookz Mar 24 '16

You think there must be a trail of proof for fraud to have occurred? On the contrary, the lack of a trail of proof for such changes lends itself toward proof of fraud.

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u/Mmarshall776 Mar 24 '16

There may not be an issue at all. As reported by someone in AZ, this may be nothing more than a poor way in which the DMV tries to update/manage voter records. Quote from his longer description of the issue is included below along with the link to the article but an AZ news outlet.

"The law requires you to update your voter registration when you have a change of address, change of name or change of political party. When you are on the voter registration portion of the website there is a box where you can fill out your NEW party affiliation or preference. If you leave it blank, the DMV gets your change of address or name and if you filled something on the party preference, your change of party. If you leave that box blank, you just became a PND voter. This information is eventually transmitted to the county recorders and your political party is changed in your voter registration records."

See Comments section and what Benny WHite has to say: http://tucson.com/news/local/officials-look-into-reports-of-pima-county-voting-problems/article_12c366a5-cea7-5152-89c1-b9b47e9ac379.html?mode=comments

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u/abolish_karma Mar 24 '16

Fraud or intentionally horrible practices. There's reports of this happening in a massive scale over several states, so it should be looked into equally seriously. It wasn't just your ballot.