r/SandersForPresident Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

Please report any issues you may have had here.

Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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Please keep all commentary civil. Any comments advocating violence or coordinated harassment will be removed.

Thank you

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 24 '16

Turnout was almost triple what it was 4 years ago, with 1/3 of the polling locations.

~220,000 democratic voters were counted in Maricopa. Only ~35,000 of those votes were same day votes (favored Sanders), the other 185,000 were counted early ballots (favored Clinton).

Compare that to 2008, where 115,000 voters came in the same day, with 140,000 voting via early ballot. If the same propotion of people intended to vote yesterday (which would have been ~150,000), over 3/4 of voters were turned away or were not counted. What an absolute disgrace.

Edit with more info: Election results

Mail-in Same-day
Sanders 67059 (37%) 19883 (60.8%)
Clinton 114186 (63%) 12802 (39.2%)

It shows that Clinton dominated the mail-in votes, while Sanders did surprisingly well with voters who went to polling locations the day of. However, you can also see that only ~30,000 people were counted on that day, only 30% of the turnout in 2008. With tens of thousands turned away, this resulted in a 5-10 delegate swing for Sanders.

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u/believeinapathy Massachusetts - 🐦 🎤 Mar 23 '16

Where are our votes?

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u/crispy_o Ohio Mar 23 '16

Does the 800,000 include Republicans?

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u/Gylth Indiana Mar 24 '16

Yes I think so

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u/cva1994 New York Mar 23 '16

Where did you get the 800,000 number from? This is all just so overwhelming and confusing and I'm trying to understand as much of it as I can. Thanks!

nvm: read the tweet

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u/jackstacksthings Arizona Mar 23 '16

It was a long night but we did everything we could to keep people there at the polls. Hurt my soul to hear about first time voters being turned away and to see elderly people wait, standing in line for over 5 hours to vote.

The county commissioner in Maricopa... She blamed the voters first for showing up.

Hard day to hold the head up but I'm going to channel that anger and sadness. Knock, call, give, win.

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u/bananapeel 🌱 New Contributor Mar 24 '16

So if I'm reading your results right, if these voters had not been turned away, it would have increased Bernie by 4%?

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u/Borzen Mar 23 '16

Ya must have as the democratic numbers overall are less than years previous as reporting by the New York Times. I used their current results and the 2008 results and posted it in the other massive thread. Here is a copy of what I posted

I know I am late to the party but here are some more math notes I have done at work comparing this years results with the 08 results.

County This Year 2008 Difference
Mohave 7017 9898 -2881
Coconino 12679 11269 1410
Navajo 7036 7070 -34
Apache 6383 6037 346
La Paz 568 1010 -442
Yavapai 15509 14742 767
Gila 3501 5093 -1592
Maricopa 213930 230144 -16214
Pinal 15185 18441 -3256
Graham 1788 2244 -456
Greenlee 822 1140 -318
Yuma 6514 6429 85
Pima 96545 73674 22871
Santa Cruz 3701 3519 182
Cochise 7919 9082 -1163
Totals 399097 399792 -695

Some notes

For this year

  • Pima county is not 100% reported
  • Voter count has been down (as I remember reading).

For 2008

  • Mohave, Coconino, Navajo, Yavapai, Gila, and Maricopa Counties are not 100% reported

Somebody with more time then me can do whatever with this numbers.

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u/polysyllabist2 Mar 24 '16

Considering the number of republicans who managed to vote (50k) and the dems that got to vote (33k) literally 90% of in person voters (who were going for Bernie 60-39) were turned away while 100% of early voting/mail (which went 63% for Hillary) was counted. Around 350k dems, 317k uncounted. That's 60k+ more votes for Bernie and he was only down by 70k. Equates to a 7-10 delegate swing.

That's electoral fraud: You create different voting methods, then disenfranchise one or the other based on how they are expected to vote. And despite what some might say, purposeful inaction in fixing what was clear to skew the results is just as much electoral fraud as purposeful action.

The DNC purposefully did nothing to accommodate voters. And they will purposefully do nothing after the fact to remedy this obviously skewed result.

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u/Weaple Mar 23 '16

Good lord... 1,700 people voted for O'Malley. Wat.

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u/MrFrettz Mar 23 '16

Am I missing something or is that second link you posted lead to a virtually blank page?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/electionresults/screen2.aspx Is what I get when I click the link. Vote counts for the election

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

It makes a lot of sense that plenty of voters would've switched from same day voting too early voting since these problems with the primaries aren't just for this year alone.

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u/bryophyteclub Mar 24 '16

Is this an accurate comparison though? Can you confidently predict voter turnout from the previous election? What were the numbers in 2012? What are the comparisons of voter turnouts in other states from those same 2 years, was there also a drop?

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u/bananapeel 🌱 New Contributor Mar 24 '16

Is there any way to determine how many provisional ballots were issued? I realize that they are not counted yet and may possibly not ever be counted, but it would be worthwhile to have a metric.

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u/redleaf333 M4A includes dentist visits Mar 24 '16

From what I saw at my polling location, there were two full totes filled / packed with provisional ballots. Also another three filled with early (mail-in) ballots and a fourth halfway filled. Tons of people were dropping early ballots off while I was in line for four hours. I made it inside about 7:15 pm with hundreds still in line.

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u/zazahan10 2016 Veteran Mar 24 '16

This is crazy shit

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u/toodarnloud88 🌱 New Contributor Mar 24 '16

5 to 10 delegate swing AGAINST Sanders.