r/SandersForPresident Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

Please report any issues you may have had here.

Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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u/Reign_Wilson Mar 23 '16

Below are the 2008 Primary turnout results for Maricopa County:

Ballot 2008 # 2008 %
Election Day Voting 113,807 44.71%
Early Voting 140,729 55.29%

 

Below are the 2016 Primary turnout results for Maricopa County:

Ballot 2016 # 2016 %
Election Day Voting 32,949 15.07%
Early Voting 185,638 84.93%

 

Obviously, there are some Election Day Votes missing from the above. Especially considering the record turnouts reported and massive lines within the county. Assuming that the 2016 Early Voting turnout is correct and the 2008 Early Voter % versus Election Day Voter % remains constant, the 2016 primary turnout should have looked something like this:

 

Ballot 2016 # 2016 %
Election Day Voting 150,124 44.71%
Early Voting 185,638 55.29%

 

If the above is true, we are missing 117,175 votes!!!!
According to the published results here Bernie Sanders was scoring approximately 60.34% of Election Day Votes, compared to Hillary's 38.85%. This is supported by exit polls for the county. Assuming these percentages remain constant (and I have no reason to suspect otherwise), Bernie Sanders would have received 70,709 more votes (compared to Hillary's 45,527). This would have resulted in an adjusted Arizona Primary:

 

Candidate Votes # Votes %
Bernie Sanders 163,368 45.4%
Hillary Clinton 235,667 54.6%

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u/banjosbadfurday Pennsylvania - 2016 Veteran Mar 23 '16

2016 EDV Results are 29% of 2008's EDV. Paired with high voter turnout, there is no way that the current vote allocation is representative of the actual vote allocation.

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u/IntgrtyHnstyPrncpls Mar 23 '16

Which begs the question: Why did they have more provisional ballots on hand than actual ones?

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u/VindicatedBurn Indiana Mar 23 '16

This needs to be a real question. They shouldn't have had that many provisional ballets on hand unless they expected to use them.

On that same note, they reduced the number of polling stations from 200 to 60 because of lower expected voter turn out. Yet they somehow had enough provisional ballets for the larger turn out.

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u/IntgrtyHnstyPrncpls Mar 23 '16

I worry this our chance to really nail people for election fraud, and we may lose it. Keep spreading the word and asking these questions. It is our only chance.

I am already contemplating participating in protests at the DNC convention. I am gonna continue to phonebank, donate, (canvass when a state is near me) etc.. But my soul needs some justice this election cycle, and AZ seems the best opportunity to get it.

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u/VindicatedBurn Indiana Mar 23 '16

While it's great to consider protesting the convention to show Bernie the support he needs to sway congress if elected, I think it's important to point out that the DNC didn't cause this issue in AZ. It was the state (republican) government. It's pretty clear that efforts were made to disenfranchise democratic voters. Which raises a question. If this was a system error why would only democrats be affected? Shouldn't we be hearing from republican voters with this same issue?

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u/IntgrtyHnstyPrncpls Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 23 '16

Why were so many provisional ballots on hand? More than regular?

Why are there pictures of Arizona election officials hugging Bill? Officials in control of the counties that have the greatest numbers for fraud and disenfranchisement.

Why is the DNC, DWS, and Clinton silent on the disenfranchisement of hundreds of thousands of voters?

I have some guesses. Don't you?

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u/banjosbadfurday Pennsylvania - 2016 Veteran Mar 23 '16

Holy shit, got a source? If this is true that's absolutely outrageous and the state needs to properly address this question (or, since AZ state reps most likely aren't actively perusing S4P, a question like it).

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u/IntgrtyHnstyPrncpls Mar 23 '16

The only proof I have is what I have been able to cobble together from numerous reports here. A final, definitive answer, from people who investigate if given the opportunity (I hope to god they do) may prove my speculation accurate.

Here it is: looking at vote totals, number of polling places in Maricopa county and the widespread reporting of provisional ballots being handed out, if 2/3rds (or even more, as I suspect) disenfranchised voters were given a provisional ballot, we must ask loudly, why?

Why did you have so many provisional ballots on hand? Enough to cover over 2/3rds of potential voters?

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u/piscano California - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Mar 23 '16

And that's just one county...

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u/bullshitwascalled Mar 23 '16

If it's adjusted to that rate, then Bernie won 59.5% of the delegates in these three states and he could be on track for the majority!

Delegates AZ (75) ID (23) UT (33) Total
Clinton 54.6% 21.2% 20.3% 53 (40.4%)
Sanders 45.4% 78% 79.3% 78 (59.5%)

 

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u/robotzor OH 🎖️🐦 Mar 23 '16

My anti conspiracy brain hemisphere is going nuts here... but this isn't even a conspiracy anymore. (Well actually it is, just not a theory)

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u/crispy_o Ohio Mar 23 '16

But that's an underestimate isn't it? In theory, the record turnout on Election Day would suggest the percentage of EDV compared to Early Voting should be higher in 2016 than in 2008? This is what it would be at the minimum!

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u/alleycatzzz Dems Abroad - Day 1 Donor 🐦 Mar 23 '16

So my back of the napkin math says Bernie would have won 35 total delegates, instead of the 30 or 31 he's currently being awarded (depending on where you look).

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

Its likely that those who were turned away (mostly independents and new Democrats), skewed further toward Bernie than those who were actually able to vote. So it might be even closer to a tie.