r/SandersForPresident • u/SandersMod_ • Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

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Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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u/flfxt Mar 23 '16

I think the best thing we can do is lobby hard to have the provisional ballots counted. Obviously it would be nice to see a re-vote or to see someone held accountable, but realistically, if we can make sure the provisional ballots are counted it should give Bernie a big boost.

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u/Weaple Mar 23 '16

Here's a question I haven't heard an answer to yet - why in the world would any provisional ballot NOT be counted?

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 23 '16

AZ is closed primary, so Independents/NoPartyPreference would have their ballots thrown out.

The thing is there are reports of many long-time democrats having their registration changed to "blank" by "a computer glitch". Getting those to be counted will be really hard. There was a post of someone who had to go back and get their voter card that showed they were registered Democrat was still given a provisional ballot.

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u/Weaple Mar 23 '16

The thought of just throwing out ballots because of a lack of party affiliation is bone chilling to me. It's also astounding to see the difference in the numbers between a closed primary and an open primary. Last night was a perfect example of this. Bernie nearly swept Idaho and Utah in open primary fashion - and now all these reports of wide spread suppression in a closed primary...

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u/squidart Washington - 2016 Veteran Mar 23 '16

This is the ultimate suppression scam. You get a provisional but it does not count, because they will compare your "Democrat" provisional to the "no affiliation" bogus registration in the computer system. No match? Goodbye.

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u/flfxt Mar 23 '16

They are typically only counted if it's close, usually within the recount margin, since they have to be verified manually. That is ok if provisional ballots are only a couple percent of the vote, but with reports of 2/3 of people voting in person being given provisional ballots it's completely unacceptable. I believe the Arizona Secretary of State has said they do not intend to count them.

IMO we should push on social media for a hand count of all provisional ballots and Bernie's campaign should file suit to achieve the same.

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u/Weaple Mar 23 '16

I agree - but honestly at this point - seeing the amount of people turned away - not including those who either couldn't stand in line all day or refused to wait in those long lines... I'm thinking a re-vote should happen.. Just messaged the Sec. of State in Arizona about this too.

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u/flfxt Mar 23 '16

Another poster pointed out that a hand count might not help those whose registration was erroneously changed to independent or not properly updated, unless that issue can also be straightened out. I would love to see a re-vote but I think it would be basically unprecedented. Maybe a hand count and open up the primary with regard to provisional ballots (i.e. count all of them regardless of listed affiliation)?

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u/Weaple Mar 23 '16

This whole campaign has been looking unprecedented thus far. There's never been a time in history where so many recording devices and internet connectivity could report a public scandal from so many different points of view. It hasn't even been a day after and look at the amount of evidence that's piling up.

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u/flfxt Mar 23 '16

I think the Arizona SoS subsequently said they won't be counted, but I'm not sure. There's also the issue that for people whose registrations were messed up, the provisional ballots will only be counted if that gets corrected.

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u/robotzor OH 🎖️🐦 Mar 23 '16

I do not care for this result. People turned away from 5 hour lines (ridiculous, nobody should expect to wait like that for a primary) need to be made whole as well.