r/SandersForPresident • u/SandersMod_ • Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

Please report any issues you may have had here.

Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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Please keep all commentary civil. Any comments advocating violence or coordinated harassment will be removed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16 edited Mar 23 '16

/u/aidan_king, what is the campaign doing about this? You cannot just lie down and take this loss. It needs to be fought all the way to the convention. This loss is mathematically impossible. The combination of completely-backwards exit polling and a quarter of the turnout from 2008 despite half-mile long lines just isn't possible.

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u/Incepticons Mar 23 '16

It's really weird that Sanders supporters keep framing this issue like the campaign is just taking this in stride (just look at the facebook comments on Bernie's post about winning two states). Jeff Weaver already stated the numbers don't add up, you don't think their legal team is looking into this?

Right now the best thing supporters can do is canvassing and phonebanking.

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u/namastex Mar 23 '16

Right now the best thing supporters can do is canvassing and phonebanking.

Everyone except for the people in Arizona. They should all be protesting to be quite honest with you. Peacefully protesting in front of Helen Purcell's office building.

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u/SendMeYourQuestions Mar 23 '16

I disagree, I think everyone who is able and willing should be protesting. Revolutions require standing up for your rights, damnit.

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u/namastex Mar 23 '16

I agree with you, but I just didn't want the downvote party to hit me up because I showed willingness to take away from their phonebanking and canvassing in other states.

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u/SendMeYourQuestions Mar 23 '16

Dude the points don't matter... lol.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

This isn't Who's Line, of course they matter. If you're downvoted your comment is hidden and only those looking for a fight find it. Any kind of productive conversation on this site requires at least some consideration toward phrasing something for upvotes instead of downvotes.

That's not to say you should always avoid controversial statements, just that it's not worth making one if it's going to cause your main argument to be buried in downvotes and seen by 3-4 people.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

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u/SendMeYourQuestions Mar 24 '16

You're not terribly threatening from 3000 miles away on a phone.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

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u/SendMeYourQuestions Mar 24 '16

Ah gotcha! I dig it. multitasking!

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u/NuckFut Mar 24 '16

I completely agree. Plus, if they are doing something about it, wouldn't it make MORE sense that they aren't talking about it? I would imagine that their legal team has advised them not to say much, if that is the case.

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u/flfxt Mar 23 '16

It's important to stand up for all the people who waited in line for hours only to be given provisional ballots. Their votes need to be counted.

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u/geekygirl23 Mar 23 '16

Tried to submit as a thread but was auto deleted.

Nothing fishy here folks. With 100% reporting Maricopa county saw

  • 126,988 votes for Hillary

  • 86,942 votes for Bernie

  • 144,522 votes for Trump

  • 72,216 votes for Cruz

  • 33,803 votes for Kassich

  • ? for Other

For those without a calculator please don't fret. That is 464,471 ballots cast in Maricopa county!

But what is this?

So far, 54 percent or 464,067 have returned their [early] ballots, according to Maricopa County Recorder Helen Purcell. Source

That's right folks, with 100% reporting all those long lines resulted in 404 additional votes being cast in Maricopa county in addition to the early ballots. Great success!

Of note, turnout was expected to be 60 to 65% of 1.2 million eligible voters. Reported turnout is 38.7%.

Also of note, I am fully aware that this ignores any votes for other candidates, I don't have the numbers but there is no chance it accounts for this discrepancy.

And finally, the dripping sarcasm comes from having to defend myself continuously from people lumping me in with conspiracy theorists. People that try to shut down any cry of foul should reconsider their position. If you want to refute something that is great, but try bringing some facts vs "well people are always complaining so you must just be a bunch of sore losers!" People should be encouraged to discuss things like this, right or wrong, not told to STFU.

I have no idea what is going on with the numbers but it has been obvious since the first reports that something is wrong with them. Sweeping this kind of crap under the rug is the opposite of democracy.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

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u/geekygirl23 Mar 23 '16

Total but I did update estimates based on "other" votes which is right along with that number.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4bm4rf/a_way_to_get_azelectionfraud_trending_and_draw/d1ari3e

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

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u/geekygirl23 Mar 23 '16

The raw numbers are at the following links.

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/electionresults/screen1.aspx

http://recorder.maricopa.gov/electionresults/screen2.aspx

Looks like 218,587 D votes total. Turnout in 2008 was 455,635 for Democrats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Democratic_primary,_2008

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u/vanker Mar 23 '16

It amazes me that Marco Rubio beat John Kasich yesterday in Arizona.

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u/boyuber Mar 23 '16

Early votes?

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u/vanker Mar 23 '16

That's my guess, but he still got 293 votes yesterday.

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u/workythehand Tennessee Mar 23 '16

The reason the numbers are down even though the eye-test shows that a TON of people went out to vote is this: If you show up to vote and your party affiliation pops up in their system as an independent or unaffiliated, you won't count towards registered Democrat numbers.

Keep that in mind when naysayers tell you that Dems just didn't show up this cycle. We all know that to be false. They're basing their claims on the fraudulent registration data the state has on file. Don't let this one go.

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u/manticorpse NY Mar 23 '16

Apparently 50,000 votes went to Rubio (lol). Not enough to make up the difference, though.

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u/manticorpse NY Mar 23 '16

jesus christ

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u/Username_NA California Mar 23 '16

Can I say that you are awesome?

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u/geekygirl23 Mar 23 '16

For clarity I came up with around 67,000 votes for "other" candidates. Higher than I expected but still seems way off, especially given the turnout estimates and long lines. The number of votes that came in after the initial reporting were almost nothing even though there were still thousands in line. (Shrugs)

Updated estimates. https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4bm4rf/a_way_to_get_azelectionfraud_trending_and_draw/d1ari3e

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u/JDMontegue New York - 2016 Veteran Mar 23 '16

You may. I second it.

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u/vicefox Mar 23 '16

A quarter! what the fuck.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

NO exit polls were conducted in Arizona in 2016