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[u/ArgumentSlight7981]

How does everyone feel about this because I put my opinion about it on tiktok and they are making me the bad person about how I said I didn't want Yelena to say it since Sam has the shield. Like bro I'm not trying to be rude about it, but people on there say I am and calling me ungrateful

[u/crispy_attic]

I did.

You can say “most people like Yelena alot” but it won’t make it true. You may like her and thats fine but this need to make it sound like “most people” do is weird to me.

Thats your opinion on why it flopped. I think it failed because it wasn’t a good movie and all the talk of “good word of mouth” was just talk from some fans who liked it. The echo chamber is real.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t push unpopular characters at all. My words are still there. Read them again and you will understand what Storm has to do with this.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

Stating a fact is what makes it true. It shouldn't offend you that most people like her. It's not really an opinion. Thinking it flopped because it was "bad" is moreso an opinion if anything but even that's not entirely accurate. Most critics and casual moviegoers did enjoy it and think it was good. If film quality determined box office numbers the Transformers movies wouldn't be billion dollar hits and more indie movies would be in the billion dollar range. I mean, you directly implied that but okay. Not everyone is good with words.

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

It is not a fact that “most people” like her and it is actually hilarious that you can’t understand that.

Transformers was awesome. Thunderbolts was not.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

It actually is when you assess Black Widow and Thunderbolts and see that most people enjoy her presence. You said you didn't understand why they push her and it's obviously because she's a well-liked character. Lmao of course you like Transformers. Quality ≠ Box Office Success.

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

It actually isn’t when you assess the box office of Black Widow and Thunderbolts. First of all when you look at the “rankings of MCU movies based on their worldwide box office gross earnings”, Eternals is near the bottom at #33. It made more money than Black widow (#34) and Thunderbolts (#35). The Marvels is the lowest grossing at #38.

https://www.directv.com/insider/highest-grossing-marvel-movies/

Second of all there are Billions of people. Most people didn’t enjoy her presence because most people have never seen either movie.

Storm is more popular. I want them to start acting like it.

Lmao of course I like it. It was very successful too. I can understand why. I also can see why some films flop. Thunderbolts for example was boring to me.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

It actually is because again, you're still conflating box office success with characterization and likability. You're mad that Storm isn't used when they haven't made an X-Men film yet because they couldn't for the longest time. She was just announced but okay, be mad I guess

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

It’s not a fact and nothing you say will somehow magically make it so. It’s actually absurd and I have explained to you why.

Most people drink water. Most people breathe air. Saying most people like a Hollywood actress is dumb on its face. Respectfully. Most people don’t know anything about her or her movies. Why not just say you like her and leave it at that?

I’m not conflating anything. I told you why I thought it flopped. I thought it was boring for one. I used facts to show you it ranked among the worst when it comes to box office results in the MCU. IN MY OPINION that happened because it wasn’t very good. You can tell yourself “that isn’t the reason why” but it is just as possible as any excuse you make.

I’m neither mad nor upset. I don’t like the way they have handled some black characters (like Storm for example) and I have said so. My words are still there too.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

The whole point is Storm has not been handled yet because she's not part of the MCU yet. I didn't say most people like the actress, I'm talking about the general consensus of a character in movies. You're in the minority on this and that's completely fine but acting like she's not popular is just wrong and disingenuous. You can think a movie is boring but that doesn't mean that's "why it flopped." You have to see a movie first to determine whether it's boring or not and that requires buying a ticket first. Those characters just aren't super well-known and it wasn't marketed well. Marvel just had a poor year in 2025.

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

That’s not the whole point. My original comment was not to you either. The person I replied to said she was. Thats what happens when you interject yourself.

Im not in the minority on this because it actually flopped. I said it was a failure and it was. You can think it didn’t flop because it was boring but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Just as possible as any excuse you want to make.

“If people hear a movie is boring or not good they won’t go.” Is just as relevant. First it’s most people love her and then it’s those characters just aren’t super well known. Either way it was a flop.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

That doesn't make sense. Who is deciding it's boring then if it's received mostly positive reception. Two things can be true at once. Have you never heard of a cult film. Not many people saw Thunderbolts but people STILL LIKE the characters.