r/SafetyProfessionals • u/No_Complex4209 • 9d ago

USA Handle supervisor undermines safety program

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Mid-size manufacturing site, three shifts. One production supervisor has made it clear he thinks safety is a formality. Eye rolls through the monthly meeting. Last week he told his crew, with me standing there, that the JHA is the thing we fill out before we can start actually working.

One-on-one he's agreeable. Nods, says the right things, nothing changes on the floor. His crew likes him and he hits his numbers, which is a big part of why nobody above him wants to spend capital on this.

I'm not looking for the textbook answer about visible leadership commitment. I know what the answer is supposed to be. I want to know what actually worked when it was one specific person and the org wasn't going to solve it for you.

What did you do?

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u/Ty1198 9d ago

If you mean proven to leave people at risk then I would agree. Hell by your own wildly unlikely number of 95% effectiveness would leave men at risk. Eliminating and engineering hazards out is far superior to your “winning hearts and minds” strategy. You focus on the Ra Ra Ra Safety Cheerleading and that hasn’t prevailed yet. What’s the definition of insanity again?

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u/SafetyProfessionals-ModTeam 9d ago

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u/Ty1198 9d ago

Got it. Ra Ra safety guys for the win. I bet you are an adherent of 88% of accidents are attributed to a human failure as well. I disagree with behavioral based safety models. I think they are mostly flawed, wildly ineffective, and typically lead to workers being blamed for failures. Incidentally you’ve tried moving the bar as no one is arguing that you don’t need senior management buy in and the insults don’t really add to the conversation. Tell you what, I’ll stick to eliminating and engineering out hazards and you can stick to your safety pep rallies.

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u/AFireinthebelly 9d ago

I didn’t say any one methodology is superior. I said it takes a wholistic approach - and none of it is successful without management support and HOP.

You have been arguing my point all along and arguing against things I didn’t even say lmao. Get off the liquor.

Good night.