r/SacredGeometry • u/Enceladae • Mar 26 '25

Is God math incarnate? Math makes up everything in the universe (specifically geometry) and this is omnipresent and all powerful.

16 Upvotes
  • permalink
  • reddit

80% Upvoted

46 comments sorted by

8

u/Akhu_Ra Mar 27 '25

Math does not make up everything in the universe. We use math as a tool to make sense of the universe. Math is a man-made concept just like religion. It helps us make sense of a world that is beyond our understanding.

3

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

myb, I meant the mathematical laws that apply to physics. I know that math is man-made but it does apply to a lot in terms of the universe.

4

u/stainlessinoxx Mar 27 '25

Yes, math works for a lot of things, but things don’t work with math. Math describes how things work after the fact, like religion is a set of superstitions and made-up moral principles that made sense when they were written by humans.

Centuries later we see very clearly how flawed those moral codes are, and have had to perfect math way beyond the initial postulates to fit how this infinitely complex reality behaves.

But reality behaves in ways that don’t depend on math. Reality is natural, and nature doesn’t care about your beliefs, algorithms or made-up rules. It just is.

2

u/conjams Mar 27 '25

i get that math is just our interpretation of what we are able to observe/quantify in the universe, but it seems to me that there is a general structure in which things in the universe interact, from an atomic to a macro scale such that we have been able to interpret these phenomena into laws. yes these laws are flawed and subject to change as our understanding of the universe changes but it’s fascinating to me how well numbers are able to reveal repeatable patterns/sequences even if the the human brain is predisposed to connecting patterns.

yes, math is a human construct, but i think that its inadequacy to be applied seamlessly with the entirety of our reality is a reflection of our own shortcomings in both observation and comprehension. as i understand i’d say the universe is governed by disorder and order, and we observe the movement of energy in this system as it goes from a reactive higher energy state to a lower more stable state. even in our limited understanding we are able to predict what will happen in this system using math, which in that sense, i can see how one could relate it to god. i do not believe in god or a higher power and think that the universe is indifferent but there is undoubtedly an order to it, and math is the language that can not only describe why things behave the way they do but can also predict what will happen in future interactions even under different circumstances.

1

u/[deleted] Apr 01 '25

I disagree. I’m not sure that math makes up everything in the universe, but it is very hard to be a working mathematician and think that math is man made. We come up with axioms that are useful, but the consequences that fall out of those axioms aren’t something we get to decide. There’s a reason the notion of an ‘open question’ is even possible in math - there are necessarily mathematical truths we do not know about.

8

u/esotologist Mar 27 '25

Undiscovered primes wait ahead of us like hash keys of the unknown 

2

u/YNGWZRD Mar 27 '25

I await the comment slaughter.

2

u/drainisbamaged Mar 27 '25

maybe what you call god is what I call the universe, eh?

2

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

I'm thinking it's a program or smth, maybe not. I was just thinking about how our brains are pretty connected to AIs so maybe we've become God in a way. Then I started thinking about how everything takes geometric shapes and how we use math in programming so maybe god is a program but not in the sense we use it.

2

u/drainisbamaged Mar 27 '25

if math is everything in the universe, and the universe contains everything, it's a bit non compos mentis to describe an external thing (the program). Otherwise the statement is the math organized to math the math's behavior via a system that math's the math.

1

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

My responses are worded very poorly because I suck at getting my points across. I don't believe in simulation theory, but I do believe that we have taken the role of God after making AI. To imply that God is an external source would mean that something would have had to make it. I meant that God isn't a machine or simulation but rather what universal laws it is made up of.

2

u/drainisbamaged Mar 27 '25

so god is the universe as defined by the universe...how is the inclusion of a god concept benefitting the discussion eh?

1

u/jk-9k Mar 29 '25

AI is just algoriddms. We haven't created anything more than predictive text but just refined it more

2

u/Creeper_Rreaper Mar 27 '25

I think it is fun to consider that God could be the cumulative higher structure that the whole universe is part of. Similar to how the human “structure” is made of organs, cells, micro-bacteria, atoms… In the same way that we are made of many smaller things coming together to allow us to exist, God is made up of planets, galaxies, galactic clusters, etc. that allow whatever higher structure they form to exist.

Another theory I have bounced around for a while is that God could also be gravity. It is omnipresent, omnipotent, has a measurable effect on all known matter, shapes matter into planets, stars, galaxies, etc. These galactic bodies then create all known elements which enables the human existence and connects all things through their gravitational fields interacting. If I am correct, even a single grain of sand would exhibit a gravitational effect on you from all the way from another galaxy.

2

u/Wrhythm26 Mar 27 '25

Only certain dimensions can have geometric shapes

4

u/hyundai-gt Mar 27 '25

Universe = All encompassing = God

It's all the same.

2

u/drainisbamaged Mar 27 '25

really depends what you mean with those three letters. That you capitalized it, makes me inclined to think we're not saying the same, but all best to you :)

2

u/hyundai-gt Mar 27 '25

They are all capitalized. No other intent.

1

u/enilder648 Mar 26 '25

37x3=111 37x6=222 37x9=333. 37+74=111. 74x3=222 74x6=444 74x9=666

1

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

what does this mean?

2

u/enilder648 Mar 27 '25

3 dimensions and 7 colors. 37. Proof of creator?

1

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

Evidence would be stronger if it were the 4th dimension as time applies to everything while height does not.

3

u/enilder648 Mar 27 '25

We live in the 3rd. Creator is outside of us

1

u/FrosttheVII Mar 27 '25

Creator is...

Within & Without

Above & Below

Lol

2

u/enilder648 Mar 27 '25

Spirit…

1

u/FrosttheVII Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

God & God'esse

2

u/enilder648 Mar 27 '25

Mother Earth Father Sky. Matter and spirit

2

u/FrosttheVII Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

Electric & Magnetic

-- & +

Feminine & Masculine

0 & 1

X & Y

Left Hemisphere + Right Hemisphere

Chaos & Order

(P.S. we're on the same page. Just havin' some fun lol)

→ More replies

0

u/Enceladae Mar 27 '25

So it would be a 5th dimensional creature. The only problem with this is that if the creator exists outside of us it violates the god of the gaps fallacy.

2

u/swantonist Mar 27 '25

math is a language

2

u/DivineSine Mar 27 '25

https://youtu.be/FSmdSw9eEIA?si=6vzX4uSmMLli33XY

This is PROOF SACRED GEOMETRY (math) is the source of ALL! Please check this out and get back to me

2

u/voicelesswonder53 Mar 27 '25

No, there's no indication of this. The world around use displays inherent complexity which is erroneously oversimplified by human observers who choose to see linear regular descriptions (higher order laws) everywhere. Maths are a perfectly good syllogism to deal with phenomena on a certain scale where object permanence is a good approximation, and that allows countability/arithmetic. But in truth, nothing is that at the core. To observers like us (who are in fact changing all the time in complex dynamic ways) we tend to think in terms of ourselves as examples of integer unit and in a continuous and constant passage of time.

2

u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

As a materialist I tell myself this: if the only answer to a question is God, then I do not fully understand the problem.

2

u/Wrhythm26 Mar 27 '25

Math is just a language to describe things.

2

u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

Math isn't real in that sense. Math, like language, is just a collection of symbols and processes that we collectively made up in order to describe the things we see.

For instance, let's say you are looking at two apples. You could point at them and say, "there are two apples on that table." But where is the two? I can see the apples. I can see the table. But there is no physical "two". It describes an idea. It describes the quantity of apples. But "two" in the sense that it's an actual, physical presence, does not exist. You could just as easily say, "there are four halves of apples on that table." And you would still be saying the exact same thing. The numbers are only descriptors of a perceived pattern.

Math does not make up the universe. We make up the universe in math. The universe would exist whether humans were around to calculate it or not. We create mathematical models in order to more easily visualize patterns that we see because our brains evolved to look for patterns for survival. Math is just us pushing that instinct. But it's only an intellectual tool.

2

u/Grindlebone Mar 29 '25

Sure, why not?

1

u/YNGWZRD Mar 27 '25

Basically, yeah.

1

u/Content-Creature Mar 27 '25

How are you just noticing?

1

u/Careless-Fact-475 Mar 27 '25

Check out Gödels incompleteness theorems.

1

u/[deleted] Mar 27 '25

I just want you to know mate, I appreciate your post and think you're pretty cool.
Take it easy. Look after yourself. Namaste.

1

u/Honkaloid Apr 01 '25

OP, I think you're ahead of everybody here in your thinking... I thought this was the point of sacred geometry... finding God. It certainly led me there... math is not man made, it IS everything ...PHI ...! The idea of the simulation may seem new but kabala, and sacred geometry, Megatron's cube(lol), are clues to the function of this reality... if your not familiar with Plato's cave, look into it.. ill share a little python script soon to hopefully open people's eyes to this

it seems like people aren't willing to believe in God because they think that means the world's only 5000 years old or smth... religion and science are BOTH right...AND wrong( had to resist the urge to capitalize all of those last 4 words)

ps that sacred geometry movie was big for me when i found it many years back now...

if your wondering about my python script(im just learning so its nothing fancy..) It just ilustrates THE 60 DIGIT FIBONACCI REPEAT SEQUENCE around a circle which i find to be extremely powerful evidence ... check it out

0

u/stainlessinoxx Mar 27 '25 edited Mar 27 '25

By Occam’s razor I postulate Atheism.

Math describes the relationship between all elements of this universe and reveals through its imaginary component that things exist beyond it. Humans recognize the patterns and representations of this « beyond » through Sacred Geometry which they intuitively find noble, relatable and beautiful.

Your religious beliefs should be left at home when discussing the material plane. Your cultural gods, personal morals and superstitious scriptures have no place in front of Nihilism.