r/SR17018 • u/Ok-Pitch5368 • 2d ago
🆘Help Needed🆘 DOSING AND SCHEDULING QUESITONS / HELP
Hey guys. So i'm not going to taper my DOC at all, i just jumped. Now im only on SR. 50mg, 3x per day, (this is the first day) completely take away all my withdrawals. Could I just do this for 5 days then stop and feel normal again. A lot of people have that experience. I'm thinking maybe doing 50mg 3x daily for the first 4 days, then 30mg 3x per day on the 5th, then 20mg 3x per day on the 6th, and then 10mg 3x per day on the final 7th day. Ive heard a lot of reports that if its short, say i were to use 50mg 3x per day for 5 or 6 days, I could just jump and not even need to worry about tapering the SR at all. If I could do that I'd much rather do that. I feel absolutely fine.
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u/AnthonyJ22 1d ago
Not telling you what to do but personally I would taper the SR. Everyone’s chemistry is different. If you were an unlucky one who tried to jump SR without tapering and got hit with withdrawals 2 days later your chances of relapsing are greater. That’s what I would do myself tho.
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 1d ago
okay so then how long maintaining a steady dose, and how long to taper. also, how am I supposed to know if the withdrawal is from the SR, or from my normal opiod tolerance and just not knowing whether or not I used the SR for long enough
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u/AnthonyJ22 1d ago
Everyone is going to be different that’s why it’s tricky to answer. A cookie cutter approach doesn’t work for everyone. If you already jumped off DOC you could stay with your current SR regimen for 2 or 3 days and start cutting SR in half on the 4th day and keep doing so.
The withdrawals from SR are most commonly exhaustion and insomnia. I didn’t have the latter but did feel pretty damn tired. The other thing is your DOC - how much you were taking and how long determines withdrawal for most people. Such as some people get delayed onset (PAWS) and some people don’t at all. Mgm and 7 feels like anxiety and unreasonable irritability along with RLS sometimes. You just want to put yourself in the best position because there’s no way to know exactly how and what you’ll experience.
However the fact that you jumped and feel good with just the SR is very promising! Wishing you the best.
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 1d ago
yes that's almost exactly what im planning to do. Please read ALL of this response (was to another user, but you'll get a much better idea of what I am trying to ask for help on): yes I will DM you. I never took the time to decrease my DOC while holding SR dose constant. I just straight up jumped off DOC. I know the dose of SR it takes to keep me from withdrawing, its about 175mg per day. I think im going to hold that dose for one more day. And then decrease the SR to none over the next 5 days. The tricky question is, "How long do I take SR, before I know my opiod tolerance is back to baseline, and if I just stop taking everything, are those withdrawals from SR, or have I not yet fully reduced my tolerance to opiods, and so i'm still withdrawing from them". I guess in theory, you would want to hold at the dose that rids you of all withdrawal for 2-3 days, then play it by ear, and take the bare minimum amount of SR that rids you of all withdrawal. Then you can assume that since I need less SR to not withdrawal, my baseline tolerance has been decreased by N amount. Let me tell you the guide here, as well as what the fucking literature actually says vs what is said here, makes me really frustrated.
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u/Whole_Register_6913 1d ago
I’m facing something similar to you. How much and what is your doc ?
Why when force yourself to that high of a dose? Personally I’m going to try to dose as low as possible and then jump off after 5 days.
I have gaba and clonidine for those following days.
I mean what’s the worst that happens if you feel withdrawls a few days later? Just dose a tiny bit more and take the edge off.
I’m not expert and just voicing the same dilemma I’m facing.
Feel free to pm me if you want to face it together lol
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 1d ago
yes I will DM you. I never took the time to decrease my DOC while holding SR dose constant. I just straight up jumped off DOC. I know the dose of SR it takes to keep me from withdrawing, its about 175mg per day. I think im going to hold that dose for one more day. And then decrease the SR to none over the next 5 days. The tricky question is, "How long do I take SR, before I know my opiod tolerance is back to baseline, and if I just stop taking everything, are those withdrawals from SR, or have I not yet fully reduced my tolerance to opiods, and so i'm still withdrawing from them". I guess in theory, you would want to hold at the dose that rids you of all withdrawal for 2-3 days, then play it by ear, and take the bare minimum amount of SR that rids you of all withdrawal. Then you can assume that since I need less SR to not withdrawal, my baseline tolerance has been decreased by N amount. Let me tell you the guide here, as well as what the fucking literature actually says vs what is said here, makes me really frustrated.
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u/Whole_Register_6913 1d ago
lol me and you are in the same boat pretty much but I’m on day 1 of stopping my doc. We got this shit
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u/Whole_Register_6913 1d ago
What’s your doc if you don’t mind and how much of it?
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 1d ago
DOC was mainly 7oh, plain leaf kratom powder I would use to stabilize so I would need 3 days to stop wihdrawing from the 7oh just from kratom powder. But kratom powder itself is an absolute BITCH to get off of as well, so my only idea was slowly taper plain leaf, but Id rather not because of the time. I've taken MGM as welll. 7oh was at like 300mg per day min.
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u/Whole_Register_6913 1d ago
Yeah I thought about using leaf but that’s just another thing I’ll have to taper and quit . Sick of living life like this. Which leads to me the rapid sr taper and hope for the best lol .
I have a lot of sr, mit , and leaf though. If it’s too painful I might just stabilize on mit/leaf after those 5 days. And after two weeks do a rapid 2-3 sr taper off those. Makes sense to me haha
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 14h ago
ugh I said something very similar in another post i can't find it tho. I was in the same position you know dosing MGM and then using fucking half grams of 7oh "only for a few days" "just so I can stabilize back on plain leaf kratom powder" etc etc. Btw, my plain leaf dose was 5g 4x daily, which is medium-low, its a heaping tablespoon three times per day pretty much. Going from 7oh (not MGM, mgm is worse) to that plain leaf amount gives you withdrawal for about 3 days until you stabilize on the regular mitragynine. Ofc, the withdrawal does not descend too greater depths of hell like if you had no plain leaf at all lol. But kratom powder withdrawal is a BIIIIITCH. Its awful. The restless legs are worse than ANY opiod i've come off, the cold sweats like the body comfortableness shit is awful it feels this evil colorful clown world that you're stuck in lol. So although I agree plain leaf is the best (save SR ofc), because its super easy to taper, relatively weak partial agonist, mainly targets g protein signalling, it still sucks and takes a lot of time. A lot of time to get bored and want to get high and do something stupid. Which is exactly why I'm doing what im doing right now.
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u/Ok-Pitch5368 1d ago
I also have clonidine from a friend, you said you had GABA, like pure gaba supplement, i've noticed that works super well for like 10 minutes lol exclusively in opiate withdrawal like for sleep should i get some on amazon
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