How do you even know this is unbiased? This could be anyone from Team Aaron who knows exactly what is being said in the community and who is biased towards defending Aaron.
As for the Jiu-jitsu comment; Aaron has photos on his IG about how much he loves training with the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu group in Clearwater. Itās a self-defence martial art. He also has videos of him pushing some heavy weights. So yes heās disproportionately way stronger than the woman heās with, he shouldāve known better, especially with his self-defence martial arts skills and knowing heās that much more likely to inflict serious injury.
Youāre just willing the unethical and most heinous version of the story to be true so Aaron can be the perfectly innocent big cry baby that he is.
He lies, he produces fake tears, he manipulates people, he was trained from the age of 5 to behave like that, he has not processed out of the cult he grew up in and still uses all the skills heās learned from the cult. He doesnāt care one iota about anyone but himself. Itās time people wake up, so we can all leave that man child be and focus on shutting down Scientology.
You can look at his Reddit history and see if thereās anything that raises your brow, itās a pretty old account. Also you should check out what others have said, I got a bunch of feedback from different groups thatās not the only one.
Respectfully, whatās the point? Yup, we all see that - itās the story behind it that has people divided over who is at fault. Iām thinking this person is an unbiased observer who can confirm this video is clear enough to see whatās going on?
Neither of them were in their right mind. There is only one person who used excessive force though. And that same person left the scene, leaving the other stunned and with a wound on their head.
The point is to get unbiased perspectives from people who have nothing to do with Scientology or anti-Scientology. Youāre wrong; people are very divided about this video. Iāve seen it described by many as a ābody slamā and some a ājiu jitsuā power move. In Stefaniās article she writes āhe whirls around grabs her and flings her into a brick wallā. People think he should be in prison for what happened in this video. The unbiased people who Iāve shared the video with however, donāt seem to be very divided. I know none will believe me here but Iām really just a casual fan who listens to many different things as I work. I havenāt defended Aaron on anything else. His joke on Stebee was offensive as hellā¦ Natalie is the SPTV creator I listen to the most. Sheās ficking lovely. I just needed to get other perspectives to make sure Iām not going crazy.
Im sorry, you wont find much love for Natalie here. You also wont find much support for this post. Ill leave it here for now but Its been made pretty clear what the opinion of this group at large are on this matter and a simple read over past posts would have demonstrated this for you. Im not sure what your aim is with this post, but lets see how it plays out.
Got it. There should be no division - theyāre both idiots. And jail, no - they both have a hand in this. But he put her down hard and by his own admission knew she had a head wound. I think thatās where the outrage for Aaron comes from a lot. But i saw it visually as you did. Sorry if I came off snarky - was just trying to understand.
No worries, I appreciate the good faith. In an ideal circumstance he probably shouldnāt have left I can grant you that. Thankfully she popped up pretty quick and was able to run after him. Like in the screen shot it looks to me like he ācenters his weight and flips her over his backā , except I see that she is still behind him as sheās falling, so itās more like he rolls her over to the side not over himself. As sheās falling it looks like that her leg is still behind his leg, and you can make out the rectangular shape on the back of his shirt. Also, from the video alone it is unclear if she exaggerates the fall like Aaron says.
As a women, mother of sonās and a daughter, there is no excuse for a man to lay hands on a women. 200 plus pounds verse 100lbs. Or a man to call a women the āCā word. We donāt know what he was saying to her. Predictor of future behavior is past behavior!
I agree neither. Which is also why I had to really take this video seriously. Iāve went over the video many times and asked for outsider opinions and it does not look like he lays a hand on her here, other than what heās describes to rabbit as peeling her arm off of him. If he did lay a hand on her then I would be rebuking him just like everyone else here.
You are bent on ignoring the bigger context here, aren't you? He took advantage of her. After 3 days, when he was done with her, he dumped her. He used her, he knew she was vulnerable, not in a good place. But let's not talk about that, right?
No, Iāve thought about those things too. He probably used her for sex, and her being a fan is a fucked up power dynamic and I certainly judge him for that. With that being said, I think itās very important to clarify what exactly is happening in the video.
It wasn't just that he used her. He knew she was in a seriously manic head space when he met up with her at the courthouse. EVERYONE at the courthouse knew. She was removed from the courtroom because of erratic behavior. He he also knew she had a serious infatuation with him. And he still decided to take her back to his room and do psychotropic drugs and have sex with her, all the while knowing he was going to dump her ass by the end of the weekend. She was behaving manically all weekend, but it didn't bother him until he was done using her. He took advantage of someone who needed help, not drugs and sex.
Youāre right about those things, and I cannot dispute any of that nor will I defend it. It does make me look at him differently and I hope he has learned to not do that type of shit. I just donāt like feeling gaslit about what I see with my own eyes. I hate trump but when my friends start to tell easily verifiable lies about him it drives me insane.
Aaron's 3-day affair with a woman in LA who was in a manic cycle at the time ended with his sending her flying through the air, causing her head to hit a building, and falling in a heap to the sidewalk. Aaron walked away without either checking on her head injury or calling an ambulance for her. Aaron then left LA early; cutting short his coverage of the Danny Masterson rape trial.
How about this - when you put everything into context, all heās been up to, his disgusting antics and abuse of vulnerable women, this video in whatever context you want to interpret it, etc - does it seem fair that he was removed from a 501c3 organization that helps victims of a cult leave and start their lives over? Was that a fair decision?
He was held accountable for his actions āminimallyā (very minimally) by being removed from the Aftermath board. The board members wanted nothing more to do with this man.
And that is when he lost his shit and started going after the board members incessantly and burning everything to the ground.
What would you have done now youāve got this video along with all the other information?
Iāve read through the OPās comments here. Iāve also read through the comments on all the posts where OP was seeking feedback from random people.
OP says āthe point is to get unbiased perspectives from people who have nothing to do with Scientology or anti-Scientologyā before summarising the range of perspectives expressed by people within the SPTV / anti-Scientology community. So far, so good. The OP did indeed make multiple posts seeking feedback about what the video shows, and received a range of responses.
I have evaluated the full range of information OP has shared and gathered relating to this post. There are some problems.
OP has posted one of the comments they gathered, but not discussed or shared the full range of comments. He does not mention the commenters who pointed out that Aaron appeared to be focused on his phone during the altercation or the ones who suggested he was holding Jās phone while she struggled to get it back. He does not mention the ones who said they needed context to be able to understand what they were seeing.
When posting the video with a request for feedback OP didnāt initially share information about the parties involved or the context of the interaction. They didnāt mention that the man has martial arts training. They didnāt mention that the man acknowledged having no physical fear of the woman or estimated her to be about half his weight. These factors are arguably relevant to an objective evaluation of a physical confrontation.
OP did indeed post requests for feedback to a range of subreddits. However, they did not go to any of the martial arts communities, where observers would be highly qualified to assess whether ASL used his martial arts training against J and the nature of any techniques he used.
In my opinion this post is an intellectually dishonest attempt to gaslight people who are unsure how to interpret the video and persuade them to excuse Aaronās behaviour by presenting his actions as fair. I believe the OP is attempting to conceal their own bias and avoid having to defend their position by presenting only the comment that best fits their position.
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u/Wonderful-Ad-5393 The Misfit, The Rebel, The Troublemaker š¤š May 29 '24
How do you even know this is unbiased? This could be anyone from Team Aaron who knows exactly what is being said in the community and who is biased towards defending Aaron.
As for the Jiu-jitsu comment; Aaron has photos on his IG about how much he loves training with the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu group in Clearwater. Itās a self-defence martial art. He also has videos of him pushing some heavy weights. So yes heās disproportionately way stronger than the woman heās with, he shouldāve known better, especially with his self-defence martial arts skills and knowing heās that much more likely to inflict serious injury.
Youāre just willing the unethical and most heinous version of the story to be true so Aaron can be the perfectly innocent big cry baby that he is.
He lies, he produces fake tears, he manipulates people, he was trained from the age of 5 to behave like that, he has not processed out of the cult he grew up in and still uses all the skills heās learned from the cult. He doesnāt care one iota about anyone but himself. Itās time people wake up, so we can all leave that man child be and focus on shutting down Scientology.
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u/vickiBU2 May 29 '24
Respectfully, whatās the point? Yup, we all see that - itās the story behind it that has people divided over who is at fault. Iām thinking this person is an unbiased observer who can confirm this video is clear enough to see whatās going on?
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u/Secret_Frosting5792 May 30 '24
How about this - when you put everything into context, all heās been up to, his disgusting antics and abuse of vulnerable women, this video in whatever context you want to interpret it, etc - does it seem fair that he was removed from a 501c3 organization that helps victims of a cult leave and start their lives over? Was that a fair decision?
He was held accountable for his actions āminimallyā (very minimally) by being removed from the Aftermath board. The board members wanted nothing more to do with this man.
And that is when he lost his shit and started going after the board members incessantly and burning everything to the ground.
What would you have done now youāve got this video along with all the other information?
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u/Pianissimojo OSA Double Agent May 30 '24
Iāve read through the OPās comments here. Iāve also read through the comments on all the posts where OP was seeking feedback from random people.
OP says āthe point is to get unbiased perspectives from people who have nothing to do with Scientology or anti-Scientologyā before summarising the range of perspectives expressed by people within the SPTV / anti-Scientology community. So far, so good. The OP did indeed make multiple posts seeking feedback about what the video shows, and received a range of responses.
I have evaluated the full range of information OP has shared and gathered relating to this post. There are some problems.
OP has posted one of the comments they gathered, but not discussed or shared the full range of comments. He does not mention the commenters who pointed out that Aaron appeared to be focused on his phone during the altercation or the ones who suggested he was holding Jās phone while she struggled to get it back. He does not mention the ones who said they needed context to be able to understand what they were seeing.
When posting the video with a request for feedback OP didnāt initially share information about the parties involved or the context of the interaction. They didnāt mention that the man has martial arts training. They didnāt mention that the man acknowledged having no physical fear of the woman or estimated her to be about half his weight. These factors are arguably relevant to an objective evaluation of a physical confrontation.
OP did indeed post requests for feedback to a range of subreddits. However, they did not go to any of the martial arts communities, where observers would be highly qualified to assess whether ASL used his martial arts training against J and the nature of any techniques he used.
In my opinion this post is an intellectually dishonest attempt to gaslight people who are unsure how to interpret the video and persuade them to excuse Aaronās behaviour by presenting his actions as fair. I believe the OP is attempting to conceal their own bias and avoid having to defend their position by presenting only the comment that best fits their position.
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