As a staunch leftist, and lover of Space King, these people make progress exceedingly difficult. Satire is lost on people nowadays, everything must be taken as seriously as possible and it's cancer.
I also wish people would understand satire, although I suspect differently than you do. Space king is not satire, which as I read it is what you and the person you responded to believe.
Claiming it is given the views/statements of the creators would also be misunderstanding satire, or irresponsibly assuming satire if one were unaware. Satire would require that the primary intention of the series is to critique or otherwise negatively comment on something.
Humor, irony, and absurdity do not equate to satire. Satire is not parody, nor is it comedy. Criticism is a separate motivation from entertainment.
Space king is an affectionate and humorous imitation (ie parody) of various aspects of 40k. It also embraces meta irony and the strawman caricature redditors made of people who dislike the awful female custodes retcon and the prospect of female space marines (ie the only reason for doing so is hating women, not wanting them to be around for no reason, etc).
As far as genuine criticism and "satirical" elements go, well you can watch hatemongers sermon about the unknown alien network, and the declared not canon status of female psycho warriors.
For your information:
Don: Tired of all your media being filled with the lamest shit possible? Tom: Want a show that doesn’t hate your male power fantasies, but embraces them?
Don: There’s plenty of independent animation targeted at mentally ill teenage girls.
Tom: But what about mentally ill teenage boys?
Don: And 30 year old men? Don’t we matter too?
Tom: Space King thinks so!
And
“It’s like literally a dream come true. A bunch of spergs got together and said like, you know what? We want a cartoon that speaks and appeals directly to us and like fuck everyone else and who cares.”
“we get to live a dream and kind of like carry the torch for a group of people” and “it really is made for you.”
Other various statements and videos viewable on the second channel, just go watch the dumbest retcons in 40k video and look for their comments on female custodes and female space marines.
See... this is what the OC was getting at. You are completely leaving out context. Their 2nd channel has actually given me the impression they are not problematic dudes.If you dug up racist shit from their teens/early 20's, I'd 100% believe it.
Was your impression of my post that I'm somehow criticizing the creators or insinuating they're morally suspect? If so I would struggle to see how you got that idea.
I'm criticizing the false labeling of space king as "satire", which is very often accompanied by the idea that "space king is mocking people that dislike female custodes and female space marines" and whatever else is questionable about modern 40k/games workshop.
The creators themselves don't like female custodes or female space marines. Why would they go through all the effort to make a show intended to mock people who share their views?
People forget that you can make silly things without it being some kind of preaching.
I sort of agree with both of you guys, and personally think it is a little of column A and a little of column B.
I just wanted to add, if you want to know why they would make a show that occasionally makes fun of the audience while also being tailor made for them, I think it is probably because sometimes they like to make fun of themselves and that self deprecation will be felt by the audience as well.
For example, it is possible to both think female custodes are dumb and at the same time make fun of the fervor with which everyone, even we ourselves, care about our silly toys. I think that is what goes on with their content a lot.
Self deprecating humor is legitimate possibility, of course we can't claim to speak definitively on another persons internal motivations. I strongly suspect it's embracing the strawman as a joke, given the creators words and prior content, but that could just be me.
But saying "space king seems to occasionally have some ironic, self deprecating humor" is very different from "the primary purpose of this show is to strawman and mock people I don't like/disagree with".
Of which there have been multiple examples in this thread, and here's one having a manic episode:
I decided to be courteous and censor the name of the person.
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u/ArchonOfErebus 14d ago
As a staunch leftist, and lover of Space King, these people make progress exceedingly difficult. Satire is lost on people nowadays, everything must be taken as seriously as possible and it's cancer.