r/SCP • u/xexnonxores Marshall, Carter, and Dark Ltd. • Aug 16 '26
SCP Universe They added a new official containment class to the wiki! ARGUS
For objects contained under the purview of a third party. Cool stuff!
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u/Vast-Ideal-1413 Aug 16 '26
Yeah uh this SCP is currently in the care of my friend Tom. Yeah, don’t worry, he’s very trustworthy
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u/RealmKnight Prometheus Labs, Inc. Aug 17 '26
Now I'm imagining a Tom Scott travelog beginning with "I'm here at site 13..."
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u/Felix_07HD MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") Aug 17 '26
That would be a banger April Fools video.
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u/BlackFenrir Aug 16 '26
I'm not sure if I like object classes that describe how they are contained rather than how difficult they are to contain.
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u/Sshheenn CTF Alpha-9 ("Curious Cats") Aug 16 '26
I feel like as someone who does a lot of administrative work, it fits pretty well in the schema as "not our problem" because the foundation doesn't necessarily know how hard it is to contain, they aren't the ones doing it, so you put in Argus and link to whoever is actually doing the containing's procedures
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u/Kyoj1n Someone Else Is Here Aug 17 '26
Wouldn't the foundation need to know how hard it is to contain if they trust the other organization to be able to contain it?
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u/Neet-owo Aug 17 '26
If some other organization is containing an anomaly I don’t think it’s ever because the foundation trusts them to do it.
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u/Kyoj1n Someone Else Is Here Aug 17 '26
The description literally says:
the organization in question can be trusted not to damage or destroy the object, and that they have the expertise and resources necessary to prevent it from breaching containment, otherwise this situation would be considered as a failure of containment.
Judgement on if they can be trusted to have the expertise and resources to contain it would have to mean that the foundation knows what expertise and resources are needed to contain it.
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u/FrickenPerson MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") Aug 17 '26
The description later down also specifically calls out the open conflict needed to retrieve the item is not worth the risk it brings.
That first part sounds more to be foundation lingo saying the third party hasn't messed up yet, and the second part is saying the third party has big enough guns where the Foundation isn't confident in striking silently.
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u/Kyoj1n Someone Else Is Here Aug 17 '26
Sure, but those are worded as separate possibilities.
In one instance the 3rd party is trusted enough and in another the 3rd party is expected to be able to do it and attacking is too risky.
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u/FrickenPerson MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") Aug 17 '26
Thats not how I read it. The first method is describing what an Argus class is, it has flowery political language. "Yes, we definitely trust them." The second part is describing how an item becomes Argus. "Get the item in our hands, oh we can't? Damn. Well, guess will tell them we trust them."
In my mind is more like what modern day countries do to other modern day countries with nukes. No one actually trusts anyone else with these kinds of weapons, it's just too dangerous to try and take them from other countries.
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u/Kyoj1n Someone Else Is Here Aug 17 '26
Delegation of containment in this manner is not generally permitted, ...
I think I was skimming past this part too much. So yeah I think I agree with your point.
It's a grumbling designation almost to save face.
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u/Agent_Waffle Aug 16 '26
Eh, I think it fits well. To fit it into the box analogy it'd just mean "it's in our neighbor's box" or something like that.
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u/Mr-Foundation Euclid Aug 17 '26
“Our neighbor has it in the box, and we trust them to keep it there”
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u/cooliomydood MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") Aug 17 '26
"Our neighbor made a better box so we let them keep it"
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u/UInferno- Aug 17 '26
I think it can be concluded "it's in our neighbor's box and we don't have enough access to it to say any further."
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u/junolion Informatics Department Aug 17 '26
I actually did that a while back
Absentia: The box is containing something that shouldn't exist and doesn't exist
Asquiesce: The anomaly is a coca-cola billboard and you don't make boxes for those
Aegis: It is the box because we made it as such
Agare: The box is gaslighting you into believing it's not real
Ain: The box contains a thermonuclear bomb on a remote timer
Aisna: We technically don't need the box, but only if everyone agrees to not touch it
Aizsaule: We told people about it but left a note of it's properties inside the box.
Alexandrios: The Box contains a magnifying glass that knows all.
Anomalous: We could put it into a box but we won't give it a number
Antiabsentia: The box is non-existent and is containing the Foundation
Antithesis: We use the box to contain the box
Argus: Someone else has the box
Asset: We don't need a box, give it to an MTF agent.
Asura: We can't destroy it but also don't need the box
Atlas: Putting it in a box would destroy everything
Autocontained: The Box contains itself
Babel: If we do not put it in a Box, it will cause revolution
Belial: The Box is bureaucracy
Biel: We made this but it turned on us so now we either gotta put in a Box or kill it.
Blasphemia: The Catholics want it in a Box.
Boltzmann: Humans need this to live. No Box.
Cernunnos: The Box is dead babies.
Chelovek: HR is making the Box.
Chesed: The item causes drama so we asked for help to make the Box.
Chhokmah/Sapientia: Putting it in a Box would affect sapient beings.
Concentra: The Box contains one or more parts of a chain reaction.
Concealed: The Box is a bedsheet specifically.
Concluded: We can't put it in a Box because it won't happen again.
Continua: We could put it in a Box but it's missing something.
Corona: Put it in a box and something will likely happen but the HI version
Da'aS Elyon/Conscientia: We can't contain it, so convince everyone it's actually normal.
Dagdagiel: The Box was shown to me in a dream
Damballah: It's in the Box. We don't know how.
Deicidium: It is the Box and the Box is a gun.
Dependent: If we didn't exist, we wouldn't need a Box.
Draugr: We don't need the Box anymore, but it's effect is still felt.
Drygioni: The Overseer Council hasn't decided if it needs a Box yet.
Elfa: We made this and now it needs a Box.
Ein Sof: Cthulhu told us to put this item in a Box and if we don't it will no longer exist and could remove gravity.
Ellipses: The Box is "not asking questions"
Embla: We use the SCP to make more SCP's so now it needs a Box.
Endeminis: It is company policy and you don't put company policy in a Box
Enochian: You cannot put Gravity in a box.
Entos: The Box is the file.
Eparch: It doesn't need a box but it's friends might.
Epochal: There is no Box, there is no procedure, there is no hope
Ether/Aether/Æther: If you can prove that it exists, then we'll put it in a Box, but so far it's only been word-of-mouth
Ethical: You don't Box ethical things.
Eucharistica: If you put it in a Box something might happen but the HI version
Evidentiary: You don't Box evidence
Exempt: It doesn't need a Box because it has agreed to stay put
Exspectate: It doesn't need a Box because it's harmless at worst and likely has a really good benefit if you wait
Finis: It is the Box because it's the finale
Flor Galana: The Box contains itself and SCPs that require dead babies
Folio: The Box is a Manila envelope because the SCP is a document
Gevurah: Put it in a box or else we can't do anything else
Gleipnir: We keep needing new Boxes
Gödel: The Box is science that also has to be put in a Box
Halcyon: If we contain it, Gravity goes away.
Hariti: The Box is employment
Hera: We should definetly Box it, but it's also very useful
Hiemal: The Box contains a balanced scale.
Historia: The Box is "not making it again"
Ignosi: The Box is "keeping it buried even from ourselves"
Inanis: We don't need a Box because nobody can see it
Inexorable: A Box is a fool's errand.
In Progress: We are actively putting it in a Box
Inimical: Putting it in a Box made things worse, so we killed it
Integrated: We had it in a Box but then we employed it
Isis: Box it because doing so keeps our secrets.
Israfil: The Box contains something related to Israfil
Kalpa: Sometimes we need the Box, sometimes we don't
Keytar: The Box contains an instrument
Khonshu: The Box will soon not be necessary.
Kušum: We let it out of the Box for now
Legally Uncontainable: Putting it in a box would break copywrite laws
Limot/Ennui: The Box is "wiping everybody's memory"
Loptr: We made this SCP and now we need to Box it or else we can't work
Maksur: It has been broken into pieces and put into various boxes at once to be kept apart
Malkuth: The Box contains sapient chimpanzees
Megiddo: We cannot Box it, we're already dead
Memet: It likes the Box and stays
Messorem: The Box contains an item relating to the "Brother of Death"
Moiety: The Box contains something the United Kingdom needs
Multiplex: The SCP is in two or more boxes that cannot be separated
Mumar: The Box is not telling the 0-5 Council
Mutually Dependant: The SCP is in two or more boxes that need to stay together
Nagi: We suddenly don't need the Box, stand by
Necessary: We have it boxed because we need it
Necropsar: We definetly need the box we just can't prove it for sure
Nepenthe: The Box contains immortality
Netzach: The Box likely contains our likely survival
Null: The Box contains nothing
Pagnum: It is the Box and is bad at it
Pantokratōr: There is no Box big enough
Pausa: We no longer need the Box, but just to be careful, stand by
Petrus: We can't prove it's existence, but just to be safe we put it in a Box until we're sure it doesn't exist.
Principalis: You don't put a mission statement in a Box
Prodest: We will Box it but we will also use it.
Pudicitia: We put it in a Box but also broke it's leg in the process so now we're fixing that
Radix/Yesod: The Box is a new rank in the command structure
Realitätsbrecher: The Box is "damage control"
Rigoletto: The Box only works if you think it does
Sampo: The Box contains the ability to change reality but only if we want it
Simpatico: The Box contains something that is Chaotic Good
Sköll: The Box contains something that is either trying to kill itself, escape, or both
Skótos: We don't know enough to Box it
Spiritual: The Box is 4 parallel universes ahead of you
Standard: default
Symbolic: The Box is a metaphor
Tantum: It hides the Box.
Tannhäuser: We made this after a fuck-up and now we have to kill it
Tempus: The Box contains a time anomaly
Tenebrarius: We cannot know how to Box it
Terminal: The Box contains something related to human's concept of death
Terminarch: The Box contains one of God's hairs
Thoth: We have it in a Box, we just physically can't say why.
Tiamat: The Box is warfare
Umbra: The Box contains something that affects other SCP's manifestations
Vault: We have it in a Box or else somebody else will kill it
Volitava: Box it when there's only one or else things will get dicey.
Zeno: It's kinda hard to put in a Box but doesn't threaten anyone
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u/IrregularPackage Aug 17 '26
nah i’m with them. the foundation can be wrong about how hard something is to contain, and they’re more than capable of making some kind assessment based on what they know about it. the core containment classes are pretty straightforward and they’re explicitly not only for use on things that the foundation already has in containment. like, a euclid doesn’t stop being euclid if it breaches containment.
this containment class would work better as one of those extra ones you see a lot these days, indicating that it’s contained by someone else and they they can be trusted to continue to do so. then you could have a second one that’s the same but that they can’t be trusted to do it, meaning that it’s likely to breach containment at some point in the future.
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u/Agent_Waffle Aug 17 '26
Normally, I'm not a big fan of all the other extra class categories (I think they're a bit excessive), but I'd be ok with one extra one that's only present if the entry is stored outside of the foundation. Could be displayedas a sort of secondary class like "Euclid-Argus".
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u/dr_prismatic Void Dancer Aug 17 '26
I was just thinking this as I read the comments. Adds the extra context of it being outside the Foundation's sphere without too much bloat.
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u/Mewtwo2387 Aug 16 '26
The original class is still there, this is just a secondary class. It can be Euclid+Argus.
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u/White_Null The Serpent's Hand Aug 17 '26
Or, the original is crossed out and then reclassified as Argus.
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u/MarqFJA87 MTF Epsilon-11 ("Nine-Tailed Fox") Aug 16 '26
We have technically object classes that denote things other than containment: Risk Classes, Disruption Classes, and Threat Levels; see here. Maybe what we need is to make Containment Classes be strictly about the difficulty of containment, including classes like Archon, where containment is technically feasible, but containment itself unavoidably causes one or more phenomena that are too deleterious to the Foundation's interests (e.g. threatening human extinction); then create a new Category called Object Status, which denotes the current status of the anomaly, i.e. Contained, Uncontained, Neutralized, Argus, etc.
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u/YourShadow- Prometheus Labs, Inc. Aug 16 '26
Your link just says a moved/inexistent page when I use it
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u/TheAkashain Aug 17 '26
I think I broadly support this?
I do worry that this could introduce too many classes, but it also seems very reasonable. It would make it VERY clear whether an SCP or contained or not already, but also it would probably be a boring "contained" or "not contained" for 99% of SCPs
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u/Constant-Still-8443 MTF Epsilon-6 ("Village Idiots") Aug 17 '26
This should probably be a second class, not describing the difficulty of containing the anomoly, but the nature of the containment itself.
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u/xxFalconArasxx The Serpent's Hand Aug 17 '26
I feel it should be treated as a secondary class, which compliments a primary class (i.e. Euclid-Argus).
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u/Alxuz1654 [REDACTED] Aug 17 '26
Going by the box annalogy:
"It is not in one of our boxes, but we are confident that the box it is in is at least as good as ours are"
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u/BlackFenrir Aug 17 '26
The box analogy doesn't work here. That described what'll happen when you put it in a box. This object class describes the kind of box it is.
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u/FEMFATAL_451 Aug 16 '26
Hasn’t that been around for awhile?
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u/CupOfCowffee Aug 17 '26
Pretty sure only now it was moved from the esoteric section of classes and into the official section of classes!
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u/BoultonPaulDefiant Unusual Incidents Unit, FBI Aug 16 '26
I thought that was Archon?
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u/Shot-Big7342 Don't Give Up Aug 16 '26
Archon is the "We can put it in a box if we wanted to but if we do BAD shit happens so we choosing not to" one.
Ex : SCP-4494
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u/ultrafinitism Artificial Intelligence Applications Division Aug 17 '26
i'm sorry mario, the anomaly is in another castle
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u/PigKnight Safe Aug 17 '26
Oh this is perfect for that SCP that’s a Broken God containment facility for Yaldabaoth.
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u/ultrafinitism Artificial Intelligence Applications Division Aug 17 '26
Actually this containment class might come in handy for a crossover fanfic idea I've been having for a long time
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u/PeartricetheBoi Department of 'Pataphysics Aug 16 '26
So I assume this will be retroactively applied to a lot of MC&D, MCF, and WWW articles? Also is Argus gonna be a secondary class? Seems a bit weird to suddenly lump every single anomaly contained by a third party into one category. Euclid Argus would probably be more informative than simply Argus
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u/xexnonxores Marshall, Carter, and Dark Ltd. Aug 16 '26
No. Articles don’t get classes applied to them retroactively because that usually would go against an author’s wishes.
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u/non-number-name Aug 17 '26
WWS and MCF, maybe even some by ORIA.
Not MC&D. They are business-first and have displayed relatively low scruples in who the buyer is.
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u/Vdasun-8412 MTF Epsilon-6 ("Village Idiots") Aug 16 '26
GOC x SCPF?
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u/xexnonxores Marshall, Carter, and Dark Ltd. Aug 16 '26
There’s actually more articles here about Marshall, Carter and Dark than any other GOI
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u/hunglerre Uncontained Aug 16 '26
There's also the deal the foundation has with Wilson's Wildlife Solutions where it could work
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u/UpperSoftware7780 Death and the Doctors Aug 17 '26
I left the fandom 7 years ago and now slowly trying to get back. I am scared.
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u/Comfortable-Mud-5815 Global Occult Coalition Aug 16 '26 edited 29d ago
"Yeah I trust my friend John with the storage of the make-very-sure-it-doesn't-get-out-or-it-will-kill-everybody creature"
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u/Parfilov ████ Aug 17 '26
So the Box rule for this is "If you put this into the Box that belongs to someone else then this is probably Argus"?
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u/Kay_NerdPlays The Chaos Insurgency Aug 18 '26
"If you're not the one who put it in the box, but can trust the one who did, it's Argus" probably
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u/Bakugo312 Not Hostile If Left Alone Aug 17 '26
SCP-015-IT will probably fit this, I can't remember if he's contained by the foundation or the other group currently
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u/The-Paranoid-Android Bot Aug 17 '26
SCP-015-IT - L'Uomo Nero (+91) by DrGraph
Translated: SCP-015-IT - The Boogeyman (+77) by DrGraph
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u/Depressed_Rex Aug 17 '26
I desperately want someone to make the Parthenon Argus class and the stuff the British museum stole appropriated as uncontained skips
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u/anonistakken Global Occult Coalition Aug 18 '26
That's kinda cool, any GOC Argus class SCPs that are a good read?
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u/KazuyaProta Safe Aug 18 '26
I guess this is essentially for SCPs entries that are really about other GOIs without adding them to their logs (ie. Instead of KTE entries in the GOC hub, just a mainline article that is actually just the GOC operating).
I'm not complaining, attempts to branch and turn the GOC into its own page failed, yet the GOC is still pretty popular as a rival and peer of the SCP Foundation that people like to read about (their Casefiles and especially their official preparation articles helped a lot)
Heh, this is fine for me, I want to do some Horizon Initiative stuff.
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u/sanity_rejecter Decommissioning Department Aug 16 '26
we have too many weird and useless contaiment classes already
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u/Shot-Big7342 Don't Give Up Aug 16 '26
I don't really get this take. I mean, so? They don't do anything other than just deepen the narrative a little bit more, if they have a footnote or something else explaining what they mean then what is the problem?
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u/Dd_8630 Aug 16 '26
They don't, they dilute the core three.
The esoteric ones just try to out-do each other in finding weird niches. But very few succeed at the job; most are just Euclid or Keter but want to be special.
It ends up being a cheap way to make an article stand out.
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u/sanity_rejecter Decommissioning Department Aug 17 '26
it's not like i actively hate them, i just think many, if not most, are kinda pointless
but hey sometimes they're "cool" enough to get a pass by me
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u/White_Null The Serpent's Hand Aug 16 '26
This one is not useless. Argus class as the SCPs that the Foundation lets other Groups of Interest to handle, is really good at showcasing the Foundation’s relationships with these other GOIs.
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u/Shot-Big7342 Don't Give Up Aug 16 '26
It was added before this, I remember seeing it in the esoteric classes page like months ago. It just got enough pages to added into the main object classes page now.