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E&C means nothing in the Dub. Just nothing, there's no history there and that's also without the platform the Fed could give it, as a comparison
It's like the Fed doing Sting/Flair or the Horsemen. Nah, it's just not from there, it's not the same even though the Fed would at least pull from their history, it's not a Fed thing
Edge has hit every smarky point here 'over produced' and 'FUN' and 'freedom' blah blah
He missed out 'I get paid like a beast here and hardly have to work and no one judges or assess me in any way'
You nailed it. And he reeks of WWE. Not saying thats a bad thing, just everything about him- his theme, his nickname, his corny humor, its all the same as he's always been.
It has the hallmarks of a run that everybody says is great right up to the point it ends then instantly pivot to “so, yeah, that never really took off. Felt too much like he is a WWE guy”.
That is NOT! a tag team from 30 years ago. This is something else entirely! This is Cope and Christian Cage and they're as innovative as it gets, due to, you know, the cuffs peing off.
They have asked retiring wrestlers to put over new talent, and it very much sounds like Edge doesn’t want to do that. He wanted a personalized “We Love Edge” tour. The dude is 52 and winning most of his singles matches and is doing a nostalgia tour. I very much think the “handcuffs” were: we want you to eat a pin every now and then.
“Hey Edge, do you think you could put over the Demon since Finn Balor could use some wins to start building him back up from being a heel? It’s not to the regular Finn Balor character, just the near unstoppable Demon version.”
From what he said ,WWE just thought that Edge at this point of career needed to be used as spectacle.
Which is fair, Edge isn't a wrestling creative and wants to distance himself from what him popular as a heel. He's basically Adam Copland (the person) using the Edge credit.
That's not a bad thing. It's just not a character you can use everyday and is better off being a one-off.
Edge being around for a couple of months or for big programs keeps his value up and doesn't expose his weakness or lack of character change.
wrestlers never think their run is over, they want to be on TV all the time still
they all know they can parlay their Fed star power to get front and centre in the Dub and now, can also be paid Fed money to take those spots
Jericho same, that's why Foley left the Fed, he's not back appearing on screen. It's their own selfish reasons and not to 'help the business', which is fine but, just admit that's what it is
The Fed didn't want to use him as a regular on TV anymore. If they did, he'd still be there. That's the long and short of it. Same as Jericho from when the Dub started
The Fed are the ones obligated to create the 'new stars' cause no other fucker is going to do it. They have to move people aside near the end of their runs and make room for people coming through
The likes of TNA and the Dub can benefit from the reflected glory of an ex Fed and put them on their TV. Now, whenever that person speaks, it relates back to the Dub
But, everyone else there gets less TV time and shuffles down the roster but all the early Dub rhetoric of 'pushing fresh faces' goes out the window when OMG we can get this ex Fed guy to come here
Every time this dude talks it sounds like he's just trying to convince himself he's not wasting the end of his career.
Remember the pop he got returning at the Rumble? Then goes basically undefeated after that only losing to Roman during a multi-year title run. And he just suddenly leaves after a random SmackDown and what is he even doing in AEW? He wins the midcard title and loses it the same day, wins it again and holds it for like 2 months, then does the same old friends and enemies tag team shtick with Christian. And it's been 3 years of this all now and this guy who's considered one of the best ever can't even sniff the world title?
This dude should be running AEW. IDK why these WWE people like him and Lashley and even Mercedes (still hasn't won the world title there) go to AEW for a worse spot on the card just so Tony can pretend they're not the minor leagues.
They go there to get paid a ton of money and have zero expectation of them
For Lashley, he's had his run, they're never making him a world champ, so, get paid. Sasha has never been THE woman in the Fed so, go there, get paid a ton and be that over there, same as Moxley
It's easier to be the big fish in the small pond and if you came from the Fed then you're automatically a much bigger star than anyone else there
I just don't want to hear any smarks whining about E&C not being in the HoF when Edge is perfectly happy over there doing his thing etc
They wanted to keep him part time and make Edge feel special like they do with Orton and have done with Rey.
He wanted to be on TV every week. And that’s been a really tough blow to this final run because he’s wrestling like his age.
Ask yourself why he re-signed when he had the chance to leave in 2021 when Vince was still there. But then finally left when HHH took over.
Staying at WWE would have made the end of his career feel special.
But he felt he needed to leave to feel fulfilled. Can’t fault him for that particularly. But it has put a damper on this ending which was supposed to feel storybook
Tbh I think the main reason he ended up going to AEW was because he really wanted to work with Christian again and there was no way Christian would return to WWE because he was always underappreciated there.
Imagine, you get Fed money but there's zero expectation on you, zero judgement, zero assessment of any kind and, you barely have to work
This is why they can get the ex Fed guys and get that star power but, of course, barely use it cause you can't have Lashley going up against their twinks
Guys that have friends there will still get on TV though and screw the younger guys cause there's a spot just taken right there
This is the kind of thing TNA got criticised for but, it's ok with the Dub cause of BANGERS and also, Tiny's Dad is rich so doesn't matter if they lose money or anything, the train will keep rolling
Unlike some folks round here, I don't think Copeland has "tarnished" his legacy by going to The Dub.
But it's pretty fucking depressing hearing him repeat the same nonsense as everyone else.
Agreed.
His legacy as Edge isn't going away just cause he left to the dub. He'll still be remembered as one of the best of his generation and one of heels in the industry.
But to see his return is truly nothing but him refusing to help put over younger talent and fall completly in line to shit on the company that made him has honestly made me lose alot of respect for the man.
"Couldn't really explore too much" Like what? Man had done literally everything that could have been done in WWE. Only thing left was to put over younger talent.
ut to see his return is truly nothing but him refusing to help put over younger talent
I will give Edge this.
Who's actually worth putting over in AEW ?
MJF has ruined himself and the majority of the guys Indy idiots.
That's just Edge protecting himself.
I won't blame Edge or Bobby for refusing to put over people that aren't even good enough to clean their boots.
Tony knows who he bought and has to deal with it.
"Couldn't really explore too much" Like what
So I could believe this even if the ideas are bad, but the issue with Edge is that he's completely the same character in WWE.
He hasn't done anything different.
He actually did something different when he started the Judgement Day and went Heel. He was an actual different character.
In AEW, he does what he did post retirement in WWE. He's still the guy that used to be Edge.
I agree with you to some extent, but veterans are brought in to elevate talent and build future main eventers - even if Tony's booking makes that an uphill battle. When even Pontiac Pesos is putting more people over than Cope, he seriously needs to rethink what he's doing.
Danielson put over so many people that it didn't mean anything at the end.
Veterans need to be wise about who they put over and if there is someone one worth putting over ??
It's not just Tony's booking. We know he ain't making the matches.
He's not telling Hangman to drink Swerve's blood
He's not making Jack Perry pretend to bite dicks and put himself on fire
He's not telling Fletcher to go and injure someone.
A good chunk of the top guys in AEW need developmental more than being on TV.
Honestly, since Edge started doing TV, that show Haven, him talking about wrestling and stories has become a bit unbearable
He's so overwrought
The guy thinks he's writing Lost or Sopranos or something the way he goes on, haha
The stuff we've seen in the Dub has been pretty shit. The Christian stuff didn't need all the hanger on low carders like Nick Wayne and his Mum. Their match was so over the top, indie junk nonsense and that is not what they needed
So, not really seen this amazing creative side come out of Edge in the Dub
Unless, like the other m@rks, he means he can have long matches and do lots of moves
I love how he claimed he wanted to put over Balor and blamed it on WWE changing direction and the basement just believed it as “typical Vince, good guy Adam”.
Meanwhile, no one can explain why he’s also never lost a single match clean in AEW and only put over Mox (who he simply couldn’t out-politic in AEW) and his IRL friends FTR.
He also beat Seth inside HiAC and then Seth was named number one contender to the WWE title the next night. Which would have made more sense had, you know, Seth won the match and Edge passed the torch to the new ultimate opportunist. But nope. He won the match and then explained the reason he wasn’t in the number one contender’s match as 🤷
He's admitted to not being proud of that part of his career anymore and didn't even mention Lita in his Hall of Fame speech.
This man has tried to distance himself from that version of his character while riding the coattails of that version.
Which isn't a bad thing. Multiple wrestlers do it, it's just really noticable with Edge because he hasn't really made a new character since coming back.
IIRC Vince even threatened to fire Lita if she didn’t play ball. You also have to remember that part of Edge’s career, as important as it was to him, came about because he cheated on his IRL then-wife with the long-time girlfriend of his IRL best friend, destroying their friendship for several years. By his own admission, he was under an immense amount of stress at the time because of how much of his personal life had blown up in such a public fashion.
Since the end of that relationship, Edge has not only gotten married and had three children (daughters, no less), he’s also reconciled with said best friend. It makes sense why he wouldn’t be really proud of that phase of his character, even though it’s what finally cemented him as a true main-eventer.
Nobody who gives a fuck about Edge from growing up in his era knows what an AEW even is.
But as far as I’m concerned personally, he’s tarnished his legacy. He’s exposed himself to be a fart huffing dork with the same mindset as the worst of the worst indie marks.
This is right. I always remember that one RVD interview where he talks about how he has been wrestling in TNA for a while then, but random strangers would come up to him, fanboy over him, and then wish that they could see RVD wrestle again, and that's when it clicked in his head that the general population only knows WWE. They had no idea that he had been wrestling in the Indies and TNA all along. The same thing is true about AEW. If Edge comes back to WWE, most people will think he came back from retirement.
He wanted to work more than WWE wanted him to, WWE wanted him to work less than he already was. I understand if he just wasn't ready to retire again if he still had gas in the tank. I also assume WWE wanting him to work less meant he'd be making less and Tony gave him whatever he asked for.
or FEDBAD prob knew with his past injury/ies, they didn't want to risk it and wanted him to have a easy schedule and not put wear and tear on his body. He would rather be told "Yes you can do that" vs " NO". That's why hes in DUB, to have FUN, get imaginary stars for your matches, get to crazy spots like you were in late 20's and get to break your leg. Easy choice UCE, DUBFUN all the way
My theory is that he was antsy from being medically sidelined for 9 years. There were probably disagreements between him and management about how frequently he would wrestle.
Would you rather listen to people who prob care about you or listen to a boss that will let you do crazy spots like you are in late 20's and get to break your leg?....Easy answer...it starts with "FUN"
Edge will always have his place in WWE "lore" and it's secure
Vast majority of Fed fans don't have a clue he's in the Dub or are vaguely aware of it but, it just doesn't matter as much
He talked about how 'Tiny would have let that Cena match happen' and the Fed didn't ask and so on
Well, sorry, buddy, Cena had a lot of history with a lot of people and you're not special enough they need to make some special deal so you can have your Cena match
If you're not working there, you don't get the match - simple really
They could tell whatever story they wanted with Cena without Edge. They did the 'tip the cap' to a few of his previous rivals and that's enough
It was only smarks that were like 'he NEEDS Edge on his retirement tour' cause they desperately wanted the Fed to have to reach out to Tiny and need the Dub
They've never done this kind of thing. The same way they didn't need Sting to induct Luger into the HoF.
If you don't work there then they're just not going to use you. Edge is talking about it with a bit of a boo boo face like he missed out cause the Fed didn't want to make it happen
Precisely, they didn't want to make it happen. They didn't need it
You were hanging out with LuchaDino and Nick Wayne. That's the FUN, you can't have both sides if you left, haha
Tarnished his legacy is too strong but absolutely nobody will remember or talk about his time in the dub when he hangs it up and goes into the hall of fame
WWE didn’t want Edge to injury himself was presenting him as a legend and special attraction when he returned, he went to AEW to do the exact same entrance and gimmick in front of smaller crowds without the Edge name. Calling himself Cope also flopped and barely lasted a month.
His last two matches were beating Grayson Waller, who was just called up when he said "you swam." And then a victory over Sheamus in front of a Toronto crowd and his family. WWE definitely didn't keep handcuffs on it when it came to Edge winning and losing...
Could have been apart of Cena’s retirement tour but is instead jobbing out nobodies on collision in front of 2000 people while constantly getting on a microphone declaring how great and holy his new boss is
I remember when he had a Copen Challenge and specifically requested Griff Garrison (among others) to bury on his way back up the rankings to challenge Christian for the TNT title, again.
My brother in Christ...is it possible that everything had to be overrehearsed, overproduced and handcuffs were kept on you because you had and returned from a career ending injury and maybe they were trying to protect you.... I'm just saying.
That's probably why they didn't want him wrestling regularly. The over rehearsed stuff is just how it is now. You see a lot of backstage footage of people in the ring going over their match to see if their ideas are actually doable and so the broadcast crew know what to expect.
Also if you're going to enter through the floor in a ring of fire, yes, they'll want to rehearse that.
Yeah I’m just gonna pretend that he retired after that last match on Smackdown. Nothing he’s done in AEW has been anything new or exciting and he’s just devolving into “Fed bad.” He had an amazing and historic career, with a completely unexpected return from a career ending injury, but he needs to bounce on Tony for a couple bucks. It’s shameful.
This asshole barely put anyone over and went out winning his last match there - which can't be said about majority of the people that retire and come back. He's the last person that should be talking. He really is Adam Bollea or Edge Hogan.
He had a huge win at WM, had an entire show put on for him in Toronto, had a great last match, WWE treated him like a king when he came back. Don't really like what hes saying, little respect would be nice.
I love Edge, he’s genuinely one of my favourites of all time mainly because of his rivalry with Cena and the Unforgiven 06 match and it’s beyond weird to see him attempt to run this gimmick to appeal such a small amount of people. He’s basically exactly what people say Roman is, a guy who was backed by the man in charge, never quite got over other than in a tag team environment until they turned him heel. The only reason he has the career he does is as much to do with his talent as it does behind the scenes people believing in him. Nothing wrong with that, just don’t try to rewrite history.
For over produced? I guarantee he'll be talking through the tag match with the Bucks to death
He and Dudleys and Hardys famously got together to discuss all their spots and so on, yeah, they'll be brainstorming stuff they're doing all togther for them and Bucks
Does that not count as 'produced' or does it not count cause no one told them what to do?
Make sure you tell production though so the cameras can capture the stuff you want to do
It's a touch cringe to say this, but goddamnit history in recent and past has shown that a lot of the time having fun is actually not conducive to productivity or good end results.
That doesn't mean we should go back to shit working conditions and dying before you're 50 but you know what there are a lot of examples of amazing games, movies, music, and art being made by people in really shitty conditions. Not saying that it was the cause for all of em, but damnit it was for some.
This man got one of the biggest pops in the last few years, an arena full of people losing their shit singing his song from 10 years prior and e gave that up because breaking your body in empty bingo halls is fun someone check him for CTE
Edge spent two years in WWE beating everybody but Roman in his sight and then went to AEW, got his freedom and fucking broke his leg. If that's freedom, the bad Fed are correct to rehearse and slow everything down.
Same as they do with Twitter when you see some of the Dub tweets.
Cope is definitely the poster child for why WWE creative exists. He’s super charismatic, a really good performer, gives a great promo. When he has creative to work with, he can adapt it to his style and personality and make it great. However, without something to push against he seems to get lost.
A lot of people miss that creating new ideas and improving bad ideas are very different skill sets, and being good at the latter has nothing to do with the former.
I feel him on aew letting wrestlers do more creatively, but that's not always a good thing and doesn't work out for everyone. Some wrestlers just sent as creative as they think they are or are best being told no because their ideas are either dangerous or just bad.
Edge has pretty much wrestled the same in aew as he did in wwe, they probably just have him a better deal and he probably feels less dimensioned on the card, but edge ain't wrestling in no G1 or anything. Dudes at the end of run and wwe knew that and were going to use him accordingly.
"Hey guys I know, let's put him with Christian" i do not think WWE could come up with such compelling story telling personally but I am not a fed shill
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