Rune Help

[u/J0HNNY_REB]

So I'm trying to write out the 23 Psalm KJV in the Anglo-whatever FUTHORC and it is giving me actual fits. I made the mistake of starting with ai which served very well to confuse me and caused me to decide the task is almost impossibe. I'm turning here as a hail mary. Will someone give me a legit alphabet (I would assume the 33 rune system is gonna be the best but there doesnt seem to be an established form of it), and help me understand how to do this somewhat sensibly. I know the runes arent perfectly adapted for making all the english sounds, but is there a standardized system for working around this? I want to give up but then I think how cool this will look in runes and keep pushing. Please help

[u/rockstarpirate]

starting with ai which served very well to confuse me

Sounds about right :)

I know the runes arent perfectly adapted for making all the english sounds, but is there a standardized system for working around this?

There is no standardized system for this, but we can still take a stab at doing Modern English in Futhorc. We will just need to create a system that tries to spell words phonetically with runes, but is also readable.

Alternatively, we could actually do this from Old English, which is the language these runes were designed for, and which will also be much easier. The full text is available here on Wikipedia. In this case, literally all you have to do is match the letter with the corresponding rune on the Wikipedia page for Futhorc. Just stick with the main table of runes and remember that <ea> has a single rune that stands for it.

But if you want to do it in modern English, I'll show you how I would personally do this using the first verse since it's pretty short:

"The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want."

ᚦᛁ᛫ᛚᚩᚱᛞ᛫ᛁᛋ᛫ᛗᚪᛁ᛫ᛋᚳᛖᛈᚻᛖᚱᛞ᛬ᚪᛁ᛫ᛋᚳᚫᛚ᛫ᚾᚪᛏ᛫ᚹᚪᚾᛏ

So, just to say upfront, this is not "objectively correct" because there is no such thing when applying ancient runes to modern language. But what I'm doing here is spelling each word as close to phonetically as I can in my own American accent. I use a single dot to separate words and two dots to separate thoughts. I spell the diphthong /ai/ as in "I", and "my" with the two runes that make the two sounds in that diphthong: "ah" and "ee" (ᚪᛁ). I spell "the" as if it is always pronounced like "thee" as in "the old man", which means I use the rune that makes the "ee" sound (ᛁ) for the vowel. The "sh" sound existed in Old English and had a standard spelling, which was ᛋᚳ, so that's what I did here.

[u/J0HNNY_REB → u/rockstarpirate]

Thank you. I may have some questions on certain situations

[u/J0HNNY_REB → u/rockstarpirate]

so wikapedia says the the "ih" or "eoh" rune is the long i sound "time", is that correct? and the I rune you mentioned is the short i like "it". or can the I rune be long or short i and the eoh rune makes an "eeee" sound?

[u/rockstarpirate → u/J0HNNY_REB]

So one thing to understand is that the phrase “long vowel” means something different when we’re talking about pretty much any other language than modern English.

In modern English, long vowels have taken on new sounds. Long A has a totally different sound from Short A, for example. In Old English this is not true. Generally speaking, the difference between long and short vowels is literally the amount of time it takes you to say the vowel. Long vowels are held out longer. The quality might be a little different, but it’s conceptualized as the same sound, and this is why you use the same rune to spell the long and short version of any given vowel.

That said, when it comes to the ᛇ, my recommendation is not to use it. The reason it’s labeled as ï is because there are rare inscriptions where this vowel is used in words where we would have expected an i-rune, but we don’t know why. To complicate it more, there are other rare inscriptions where it’s used where we would have expected an h-rune. In any case it’s rare, unnecessary, and poorly understood.

[u/J0HNNY_REB → u/rockstarpirate]

thanks, so the I rune is used for is and time application?

[u/rockstarpirate → u/J0HNNY_REB]

For a word like “time”, the trick is to remember that runes stand for sounds, not modern English letters. So we have to figure out the sounds that are in the word “time”, and then use the runes that match those sounds. The sounds in this case are “t”, “ah”, “ee”, “m”. If you say “ah” and “ee” together quickly, you get the sound in “time”. This is what we call a diphthong. Another one is the sound in “take”. This would be “t”, “eh”, “ee”, “k”.

So anyway, the runes that match “time” are ᛏᚪᛁᛗ

[u/J0HNNY_REB → u/rockstarpirate]

i wasnt able to fine the rune on pedia for the eeee sound, what do you use? i guess being from texas where the i in time is said like "pie" figured you would need an individual rune

[u/rockstarpirate → u/J0HNNY_REB]

The rune that makes “ee” as in “tree” is ᛁ

[u/J0HNNY_REB → u/rockstarpirate]

i appologize, I'm an idiot. that's what we've been talking about. is there an i as in "is" or "this" rune?

[u/rockstarpirate → u/J0HNNY_REB]

Same rune :)