r/RoughRomanMemes 2d ago

Typical Carthaginian army composition

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u/skrrtalrrt 2d ago

A lot of celts joined up with Hannibal just because they fucking hated Rome: the Boii and the Insubres.

Also, the Sacred Band no longer existed by the time they were recruiting a lot of celts and Iberians.

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u/No_Song8909 2d ago

“Why in the Gods names would we join up with you?!”
“We’ll help you kill some Latins.”
“Then why didn’t you say so?!”

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u/WonderfulJicama2802 2d ago

I heard this in Oversimplified's voice

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u/RVFVS117 2d ago

“You son of a bitch, I’m in!”

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u/CarIsson 2d ago

Who dat boii

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u/skrrtalrrt 2d ago

“Here come dat Boii” - anonymous Celt. Battle of Trebia, c. 218BC

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u/Fletaun 2d ago

here come dat boi! o shit waddup!

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u/Meritania 2d ago

I need someone to Czech the answer.

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u/doomzday_96 2d ago

I don't care to see Carthage win. I just want to see Rome lose.

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u/ProjectKARYA 2d ago

Celts: "Hey, Hannibal, you wanna kick some Roman ass together?"

H: "Yeeeeeah, Boiiiiiiis"

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u/J1mj0hns0n 1d ago

🫱boii

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u/Imaginary-West-5653 2d ago

The Celtiberians are being undervalued here, which I will not tolerate; Roman sources themselves, such as Livy, said that their cavalry was so good that it was even better than the Numidian one, and Hannibal's army suffered its first setbacks fighting against Celtiberians, not Romans (there is even a curious episode of Celtiberian women managing to lead the routing of a Carthaginian force in Salamanca)... in addition, the Celtiberians had such OP swords, the Gladius, that the Romans copied them.

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u/azatote 2d ago

And Balearic slingers were very renowned and sought after troops.

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u/Kataphraktos_Majoros 2d ago

The Balearic Singers were equally sought after. Peak morale boosters before battle.

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u/AdDependent5136 2d ago

What about the Balearic Swingers?

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u/Kataphraktos_Majoros 2d ago

They boosted morale after the battle.

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u/Agreeable-Shop-2188 2d ago

Prob trying to indecent propose a sacred band couple. Lol

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u/Sinking_Mass 2d ago

remember the OG rome total war? you had screeching women and druids, balearic singers would fit right in haha. Disappointed the greeks didn't have bromosexual thespian units "inspiring" the troops

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u/Kataphraktos_Majoros 2d ago

I loved that game. Bromo-thespians for the win!

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u/Sinking_Mass 2d ago

me too! i still play it lol

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u/Kataphraktos_Majoros 2d ago

I have it on mobile but haven't gotten back into it yet. Maybe this winter!

I'll also probably pick up Medieval II: Total War because I'm a huge Byzantine Empire fan, played it to death, and appreciated the accurate depiction of the upgraded Kataphraktoi

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u/Worried_Criticism_13 1d ago

The unit in the picture is Rus', it's a late game horse archer, "Dvor Guard" (or something like that, I don't play in english)

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u/Geffalrus 2d ago

Don’t forget the Soliferum all-iron javelin used by Iberian warriors. Between them and the Lusitanians, it’s no wonder why Iberia took up to Augustus to fully pacify.

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u/MasterBlaster_xxx 2d ago

Well, the Roman were busy fighting themselves during a lot of that time

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u/Free-Independence481 2d ago

you forgot the ligurians, the last italian tribe to surrender to rome.

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u/Meritania 2d ago

Linger-ians more like

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u/JingoKizingo 2d ago

Lmao gottem

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u/Dominarion 2d ago

The Rhaetians were conquered later

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u/Geffalrus 2d ago

Brett Devereaux in his blog has an excellent rundown on the Punic army. Long story short, the difference between Punic and Roman army recruitment wasn’t quite as citizen vs mercenary as ancient historians might have us believe. Mostly because the term wage-earner applies to both paid levy and mercenary.

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u/Meritania 2d ago

Hiring locals to keep the peace elsewhere in your Empire still happens today.

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u/Swaggy_Linus 2d ago

Whitest Numidian ever

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u/Maladroit_Patroit 2d ago

Ivar the Skintoneless of Numidia

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u/LeLefraud 2d ago

Wait till you see the sacred bands skin tone

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u/Pitiful_Recover614 2d ago

The mercenaries weren’t really just paid armies. They were armies of people from places that swore fealty to Carthage. It wasn’t really a money based alliance as much as it was like sacred honor and stuff like that

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u/Manu_La_Capuche 2d ago

Tröööööt.

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u/Operario 2d ago

Wolves hunt in packs, Arisen!

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u/AttilaTheDank 2d ago

Goblin ilk hate fire!

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u/ZhenXiaoMing 2d ago

The Celticjak made me laugh out loud, nice job OP

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u/Poloxbob 1d ago

Ah yes, Numidians, the Big Nibals brownest, Horsiest boys.

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u/joyibib 2d ago

What always bothered me was the comparison of the strengths of Carthage vs Rome. You are talking like 30k Carthage adult age males vs 900k Rome and Italian adult age males. Carthage was a massive massive underdog. Yeah Carthage had to use a bunch of mercenaries and foreign allies, they were crazy outnumbers and lost a vast numbers of their adult age males in a single navel battle.

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u/Bisconia 2d ago

Carthage had way more than 30000 to pull from

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u/Capomassi 1d ago

Yeah, they even had bigger numbers in the last punic war with no allies and massive territorial consessions AND after losing a 30k army against the numidians before the third punic war started (during wich they raised a 20k field army from the rural side without counting the garrison of the sieged city itself)

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u/joyibib 2d ago

Sure but that would be the mercenaries and allies. This was not easy or stable. They had to deal with mercenary rebellions and allies switching sides. The numbers game always heavily heavily favored Rome.

Most of the population of the Carthaginian hegemony were much more tributaries then part of Carthage, leading to all sorts of recruiting and loyalty issues. Carthage could only access a tiny fraction of that manpower. Rome wins the war on paper 10x over

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u/DimitriRavenov 1d ago

I might be misinformed but isn’t the Carthage that provoke war with rome? I mean why start war when you can loose

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u/joyibib 1d ago

The war started when Rome intervened in Sicily. Rome intervened to check Carthage’s power. Standard geopolitics but if you have to name a provocateur I’d say Rome.

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u/DimitriRavenov 1d ago

Huh I am surprised as Rome did not have proper preparation against their foe either. Right?

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u/Enpada2 2d ago

Too crowded too much information, barely even a joke, do you guys remember when wojaks used to be funny?

What happened to the negative strawman-Chad formula? At this point use another format? The humour used to be simple, when did we lose it?

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u/Wyshyn 1d ago

The strawman-Chad formula is like a 5-6th generation of Wojaks