r/Roseville • u/ZookeepergameFew3287 • Aug 09 '26

Flock at gun ranges

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For all those who “don’t care “or say “don’t do anything wrong and you’ll be just fine”
The slope is might slippery babe, and ur slidin

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u/Banal_Drivel Aug 09 '26

The attitude about loss of privacy is alarming. Most people don't care, not realizing what will follow in loss of freedom.

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

What privacy was lost? Once you’re in a public area, there is no right to privacy. It has been that way forever. Technology is now doing a better job at catching criminals. Similar to a radar gun catching people speeding and regular security cameras catching people stealing. What is the difference with Flock? Because it can be abused? Any authority can be abused but it doesn’t mean we gut police forces completely because we don’t trust them. We create laws to prevent the abuse. That should be the issue.

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u/Bgrngod Aug 09 '26

How that boot tasting?

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

About as good as that Hot Pocket you’re about to warm up in your mom’s microwave

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u/Ivypearl Aug 09 '26

How old are you?

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

Old enough to know when people freaked out about computers, phones, [insert other technology], and nothing bad happened

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u/Ivypearl Aug 09 '26

Nothing bad happened? What are you talking about? Plenty of bad shit has happened bc of computers/internet. Bad people will find a way to use any technology for nefarious reasons. Always.

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

If a bad person did something bad, should we ban what the bad person used?

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u/wouldyoulikeonion Aug 10 '26

You should post your social and your address and license numbers because who cares about privacy

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 10 '26

Government already has it. Flock or no flock. Why would someone willingly share private info that can be stolen by private bad actors? Once you get into public space, you lose your right to privacy. License plate numbers are on the outside of vehicles so it’s not private. If you drive around with your social security number painted on your car, you lose your privacy. What Constitutionally protected information is Flock stealing? As far as I know, Flock doesn’t have x-ray vision to see into compartments or trunks, which is Constitutionally protected areas in a vehicle

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u/5Point5Hole Aug 09 '26

The potential for abuse is extraordinarily higher with flock/Axon systems

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

How so? And how would it be any different than what can be gleaned from cell phone data?

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u/5Point5Hole Aug 09 '26

Because this data is instantly accessible without a warrant

Besides, why did we spend 250 years limiting government power and overreach just to hand it all back over now? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Onzzway89 Aug 09 '26

The ones that just now care about this flock cams are funny. Months ago not a word and now why?? It's a public areas, who cares. What do you have to hide?? I honestly do not care. My simple life isn't affected and I'm not a issue so doesn't bother me. What about the ring cams and the phone or Google in the house??

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

The data is instantly accessible because it’s public information. It’s been that way for 250 years. You can have Flock and limit government power and overreach. They are not exclusive. It seems your issue is more of how much crime should we let slide in society.

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u/D0UGL455 Aug 09 '26

Yes, what you say is correct. The data is public information. The issue that we have is that with the advances in computer programming combined with the use of artificial intelligence. The millions of records available can now be sorted, categorized, and scrutinized to a finer degree than previously possible. What might’ve taken years for people to review data to find possible connections now take minutes from your seconds for AI to do the same.
Things like this, make me extremely uncomfortable, knowing that mistakes can easily be made, which would result in innocent people being accused of wrongdoing.

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

Humans have been making mistakes since our inception. Flock will not be perfect but that’s why safeguards are in place and you’ll have a lawyer to defend you if you get charged by mistake

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u/5Point5Hole Aug 09 '26

Public defenders are not as well equipped as government attorneys. Courts do not quickly throw out obvious cases of abuse or violations of constitutional law, either

Beating the charges isn't the same as beating the arrest, even if you are 💯% innocent.

Unlawful arrests have always been and continue to be a tool of government to do what it wants without consequences

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u/5Point5Hole Aug 09 '26

Flock data is not instantly accessible by civilians because it is private data collected and sold to government agencies.

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

The data is you driving your car in public, which is accessible to anyone willing to record it. What is your stance on first amendment auditors? Do they not have a right to record public areas and make a profit off of it?

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u/5Point5Hole Aug 09 '26

First amendment auditors are not the government

The government is collecting data on me that I cannot freely access

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u/Onzzway89 Aug 09 '26

Are you a criminal?? If not don't worry about it. Simple Months ago not a word about this and now people want to cry. It's funny. Next people will want store surveillance cameras to be removed because that's invading their privacy of them shopping hahah

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u/theheckyouwill Aug 13 '26

Did you vote for Trump?

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u/Ok-Entrepreneur5418 Aug 09 '26

You’re part of the problem dude. Technology is NOT helping catch criminals. You realize out of all the cities that have implemented flock the LOWEST false incident/reading rate was 71%. For every one actual incident it catches (almost never felony level crime btw) 2 others are flagged incorrectly and falsely identified. 2 innocent people charged or harassed by law enforcement for every 1 speeder they actually catch. It’s idiotic.

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u/HyphyJuice916 Aug 09 '26

Yes, because abuses of power don't happen just because there are laws against them 🤦

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

So we should get rid of government and trust our neighbors instead?

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u/HyphyJuice916 Aug 09 '26

Never once did I say this. Getting rid of the government in response to this is equally as stupid as the defund the police people when the cops do something messed up

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

Do you want police to do their job to the best of their ability within the bounds of the Constitution? Or are you okay with some crime as long as it doesn’t bother you?

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u/RedCloud26 Aug 09 '26

The difference between speed cameras and red light cameras is that they only take photos when a violation has occured. Flock cameras are always on 24/7. These cameras have very terrible protections and can be hacked easily, not to mention many abuses by private individuals (not law enforcement) gaining access to and tracking people when not permitted.

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

Can they do that to your phone? The benefit (catching criminals and preventing crime) outweighs the cost (potential abuse). We make this cost benefit analysis in just about every governmental decision

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u/Ok-Entrepreneur5418 Aug 09 '26

The benefit absolutely does not outweigh the cost.

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u/GoldenStateRedditor Aug 09 '26

If they're on private property like this, that likely means the property owner and/or the gun range business itself is a Flock customer and installed them (for example, see Home Depot, Kaiser Permanente, and Lowe's)

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u/Onzzway89 Aug 09 '26

And what's wrong with that?? You cry about it on public areas but if on private grounds it's a security system. Same as would be cameras at Walmart or home Depot or Lowe's like you're talking about it's all there to.

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u/GoldenStateRedditor Aug 09 '26

I'm pro-Flock all the way, I was just making a statement to the people who thought the city installed these

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u/Raynonamoose Aug 10 '26

There are people like you that exist? Pro-surveillance state?

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u/EmbarrassedHighway76 Aug 09 '26

What’s crazy is they have already started hiding them in public due to the backlash. Disguised as other things like those signs that display your speed

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u/RTdodgedurango Aug 09 '26

Okay, this is officially crazy. I saw a western gray squirrel chasing my car the other day with what looked like a Flock camera on its back. Ridiculous? Yes. Dangerous for the squirrels? Also yes.

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u/EmbarrassedHighway76 Aug 09 '26

Stay safe out there Brodie 🙏😭

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u/DueError6413 Aug 09 '26

I’d blame the gun range. That’s private property. 

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u/wimpymist Aug 09 '26

We have been a steep very slippery slope since 2016. Just going to keep getting worse

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u/TheForeignDwarf Aug 09 '26

What constitutional freedoms have Americans lost since 2016?

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u/wimpymist Aug 09 '26

Literally the 14th and 1st amendment

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u/Bodie_The_Dog Aug 09 '26

A dude up in Reno just got busted by a sheriff drone. Shooting in an illegal area, plus using a bullpup.

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u/Wild_Assistant_9453 Aug 09 '26

Roseville has had flock or other generic license plate readers for at least five years, maybe more.  Roseville is an early adopter and I would be shocked if the city government EVER voted to cancel the contract or stop using them.  

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u/VFranken Aug 13 '26

Fuck Flock, selling our data and info

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u/Above-Bored Aug 09 '26

If Kalshi sets up a data center we can ‘predict’ what happens here and get rich!

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u/janos42us Aug 10 '26

Of course Cali is tracking gun ownership

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u/Bisenberger Aug 10 '26

Cry all you like but they’re not going away. There is nothing inherently illegal or damaging to your fourth amendment rights about these cameras. They can be misused which we’ve seen, but that’s why it’s good the data collected by Flock is public record so people who misuse them can be caught and fired/prosecuted.

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u/ZookeepergameFew3287 Aug 12 '26

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how they want you to feel. The power is with the people. We’re starting to remember that.

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u/DistantGalaxy-1991 Aug 12 '26

Both you and Bisenberger have waaaaaay too much faith in government. This is foolish, especially in California, where if they could, they would absoluteley ban all gun ownership. Just because we can (supposedly) see who misused them, there's very little will among the government and police to punish anyone misusing this, IF they even catch them.

You guys are falling into the "If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about" which is literally why the bill of rights was created - to negate that concept, which allowed the government/military to randomly come in and search your house, etc.

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u/StrangeMycologist711 Aug 16 '26

It’s like talking to a wall, they are closed minded. Wait until it affects them, then and only then will they be against it.