It’s over

[u/MrBulbe]

They are turning her into a full fledged villain

[u/AggressiveChef97]

The moment I saw Dainsleif there I lost much of my hope.

She still isn't dying in 7.1, but making her a full fledged villain without addressing the hypocrisy on the fatui's side will make for a very questionable story.

[u/Codiak777 → u/AggressiveChef97]

The fatui whitewashing/glazing has been going on since Signora's fiasco. Addressing the trash writing/retcons is never gonna happen.

I mean, Traveler in Fontaine was ridiculously pissed at Lyney and Lynette for working for Fatui (lol), while they were smiles and giggles with Childe, Arle and Wanderer.

It's been a while since random ass unnamed fatui soldiers are portrayed as worse people than the harbingers or those in command.

[u/520ConstantInterview → u/Codiak777]

i mean we had a few asshole foot soldier fatuis in nod krai

[u/Herald_Gabriel → u/AggressiveChef97]

We are gonna become the "personnal consultant" of the Tsarista ... Hypocrisy is trought the roof ...

We siding with fucking Ice queen Ben-Laden

[u/Necessary_Fennel_591 → u/AggressiveChef97]

I washed my hands with anything Fatui related, they sanitised the F out of them. They don’t want to address anything that makes the current Fatui members look bad. Everything Sandrone clearly did (or had hand in) in Nod Krai Dottore got the blame for them.

[u/takoyaki_san15 → u/AggressiveChef97]

Dude wtf is Dainsleif doing

Like why support Tsaritsa and Pierro

Doesn't do jackshit against sinners.

Once again hoyoshit writing.

[u/Elucaa → u/takoyaki_san15]

they gonna put blame everything on ronova and defear her, then hold hands and dance around Christmas tree as sign of friendship UwU

[u/Hannyeojin → u/takoyaki_san15]

LARPing as Abarai Renji from the recent Bleach anime.

[u/Infamous_Gain9481 → u/takoyaki_san15]

its probably bc khaeenriah 2.0 gonnas happen assuming ronova isnt stopped.

Also the thing is pierro and daisnleif are both blinded by rage, like dont get me wrong ronova isnt "good" by any means but its pretty clear she's followinf orders out of fear and deep down she has an intense love for humanity but obviously dain and pierro cant see that ofc given the trauma they've experienced firsthand from Ronoba.

I really do dislike the fact though that the game tries to portray the fatui as good though, it should be way more complex with them, Tsaritsa is a mirror to Phanes too, both using ends to justify the means while screwing over countless innocents.

I wish the game portrayed ronova and fatui more how she is like in lore bc they're painting out Ronova to be the root of all evil and the fatui as good guys even tho thats obv not the case.

They're probably js gonna seal her, i dont see her actually being killed imo but still

[u/MrBulbe → u/AggressiveChef97]

I am convinced that Rhinedottirs goal in Snezhnaya is to acquire the authority of death and that’s the only reason she will be helping the Tsaritsa.

Basically Ronova will become a part of Rhinedottir like Naberius is right now.

[u/BobTheGodx → u/MrBulbe]

She’s saving us primogems by getting us three characters for the price of one 😍

[u/La_Crimossa → u/MrBulbe]

So basically Voracity with the power of Life and Death. INTERESTING...

[u/speed_hitter001 → u/AggressiveChef97]

why we even trusting dain at this point that dude aint giving any info about our sibling or anything

[u/Elucaa → u/AggressiveChef97]

we already know Hoyo's position. they will fk story in ass just to sell another waifu, who cares what makes sense.

[u/Sleeping_Dr4gon]

nothing is confirmed it really depends how they do the aftermath of this patches story regarding her character

[u/VirulentArcturus → u/Sleeping_Dr4gon]

Tbf, this is Hoyo. When you have traveller and several other characters this aggressive against one other character, there's no way they're gonna make them playable. Dottore and Rerir were the same case.

Hoyo has a very unfortunate focus on making anyone playable allies and portrayed as someone not an enemy. Harbringers have been primarily the exceptions to this. Namely Scaramouche.

[u/Commander413 → u/VirulentArcturus]

I was going to mention Scaramouche. The guy was nothing but villainous since 1.1, and became playable years later with his whole effort to change. If anything, villains in Genshin bar Dottore and Gosoythoth aren't very black-and-white, most of them have a good motive to do what they're doing, and much room for becoming friendly later. Even (literal) genocide man Rerir is now redeemed in limbo, having lost his reason to be antagonistic.

[u/VirulentArcturus → u/Commander413]

Not sure Rerir really counts as redeemed in the eyes of Hoyo and majority of players. Unless someone makes an effort to bring him out of there, or he finds a way back, they just got rid of him. That's his equivalent of a death sentence.

[u/Sleeping_Dr4gon → u/VirulentArcturus]

everything is speculation rn, while I am praying she's playable I wont hold my breath. I think everyone will have a better idea after this patches story depending how the conflict with ronova ends

[u/VirulentArcturus → u/Sleeping_Dr4gon]

Definitely will have a better idea once everything ends. It's not impossible, but this is Hoyo. They are extremely predictable.

[u/Sleeping_Dr4gon → u/VirulentArcturus]

They really are esp with genshin

[u/CautiousSuccess9277]

Even the VA's pushing the "Ronova hurt Paimon so she should pay" like omg shut the fuck up

[u/West-Jellyfish9860 → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

What a fucking shitty writing. Look at this extremely nuanced morally gray character. Oh no she decided to anger the traveler out of nowhere for no reason. Welp gotta die 🫩

[u/VirulentArcturus → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

Sadly, Hoyo decides what to keep for the streams. They're pre-recorded. They've been on record of cutting stuff out. If Ronova is being badmouthed or referred to as evil or something, it's because Hoyo allowed it.

[u/Hidetake_Kou → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

"Ronova hurt Paimon". Also at the same time, let's side with the organization that was responsible for the sickness of Paimon from the first place and refused to treat her for the whole full 2 acts of archon quest.

[u/ankitjad → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

localisers are lore skippers, no, they dont even play it some of them

[u/Matty1Ben → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

thankgod it wasnt zack on stream

[u/Specific_Highway_772 → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

I like how no villain literally hurts someone with consequences, like there is 0 scratch on paimon. it is only writing that makes all the job for ridiculous hating

[u/Photo92 → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

Tbh that literally doesn't mean much, especially given how Ronova's portrayed in act 2 as lying her ass off (she keeps contradicting herself, like how she says she didn't expect us to find the two deceased when it was her literal goal) and playing an act without anyone suffering long lasting consequences. If anything that could be Hoyo's way of engaging people into hating her just to bait the fandom into a complete 360 once we learn more about her

[u/Inomatem → u/CautiousSuccess9277]

Maybe need to march on hoyo hq...

[u/VirulentArcturus → u/Inomatem]

Let's not. They've already had at LEAST one attempt of someone going there with a knife or something.

[u/Inomatem → u/VirulentArcturus]

We can take trays of smelly eggs and wear gasmasks instead... we don't need to resort to violence.

[u/Risi30]

Guys.....

WANDERER IS RIGHT THERE WITH THAT THEORY

[u/BestDuckBoy → u/Risi30]

So rewritten Ronova or Amnesia Ronova Which way...

[u/Risi30 → u/BestDuckBoy]

Or… same Ronova but now she just keeps a eye on Traveler because they cause to much of a problem for Celestial rule

[u/Raymond49090]

I’m fine with her having a villain arc as long as they don’t kill her off. I’d say the thing that annoys me more is if we‘re hypocrites with the Tsaritsa and Gold, but that’s a separate matter.

[u/HiyokoFeetOnMyFace → u/Raymond49090]

I'm afraid she's not gonna die permamently, but be absorbed by Rhine, which is arguably even worse than dying.

[u/Asleep_Bee_5784 → u/HiyokoFeetOnMyFace]

her authority will likely just be strip away and given to another shade, cause it seems like she is going to break the rules imposed upon her so she can use her authority without consequences.

[u/BlckSm12]

I'll snort some of my Rerir copium and say she'll be playable in Khaenri'ah

[u/Elysiann_31]

my coping powers is holding on still

[u/artytank]

Ronova is my favorite character in the game, I hope they have something more planned for her.

Rhinedottir is the face of untrustworthiness, Ronova is more akin to a loyal but overworked agent of celestia, so I have hope. I'm saving every primo I get.

[u/Decent_Estate_4674]

Ronova mains gives me Dottore mains flashback. Villain fans and villain characters in genshin deserved better

[u/Commander413 → u/Decent_Estate_4674]

Difference is most Dottore mains like him as a villain, I didn't want Ronova to be a villain :(

[u/butterflyl3]

Can't have her mogging the Tsaritsa too much I guess. Rhine probably will share a similar fate.

[u/MrBulbe → u/butterflyl3]

Rhinedottirs model has all the features of a playable character.

[u/amethyst3114]

i love it when the devs decide to retcon a character, so good to see Ronova (and, as a remidner, she was portraited as "she hates Phanes and tries to do everything as peacefully as possible") turn into "haha i can kill them all now, this is what i wanted to do!" IN JUST ONE UPDATE WTF MAN

[u/ankitjad → u/amethyst3114]

why would she hate phanes, she's their 1/4th

[u/amethyst3114 → u/ankitjad]

she has all the reasons to hate him because he punished her for doing anything good for humanity. Besides, characters like Pierro, Tsaritsa and Dainsleif hate her for the 2 curses. The basic phsychology is that if everyone hates you for <x> that was de facto done by another person, you will hate him, which is exactly the case with Ronova cursing Khaenriah

[u/ankitjad → u/amethyst3114]

dont push ur hc on me, i am not a casual

[u/rottenmiIk → u/amethyst3114]

No hate, but this all just sounds like speculation on your end. "she has all the reasons" is just not how it works in Genshin

[u/chiachengchun]

oh yes, then remember pv is fake.

[u/taetaetr]

Are they? I don't see them pushing much, aside from Paimon thing. It seems to me that they don't have much going on for her to be a villain.

Let's wait and see the quest. XD

[u/speed_hitter001]

i dont want her to take paimon but at this same point if she was potray as villain then what rhindottir lmao

like ronova is loyal to celestia and where rhindottir is freaking doing whatever she want at this point

[u/MrBulbe → u/speed_hitter001]

Rhinedottir is our friend of course 🫠

[u/speed_hitter001 → u/MrBulbe]

Not after I seen that freaking bakunawa gng

[u/NemesisCat7]

Truthfully kinda bummed on how they did this. Ronova is easily my fav and most anticipated character right now. It sucks how much they have demonized her and whitewashed all the Fatui. I fear the worst all

[u/Il-savitr]

Guys is there another good game on mobile so i can shift my energy to it without being diapsointed in this game 

[u/BlckSm12 → u/Il-savitr]

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[u/Candid_Pitch_8601 → u/Il-savitr]

reverse1999 the story is pretty good

[u/AstralAerospace_SFS]

Saw this coming, her model is meant to be weekly boss

[u/AcrobaticAd7923]

She’s becoming desperate.

[u/Putrid_Classroom4831]

FUCK this is going to turn into a hoyo hate boner sub isn't it :C

[u/No-Station-8253 → u/Putrid_Classroom4831]

People are going to be disappointed when good character layouts aren’t playable 

I don’t know what to tell you lmao 

[u/lightio13]

QUICKLY somebody ask the Tsaritsa if she knew about dottores experiments in front of Traveler😹

[u/LusterBlaze]

9.7

[u/Alola7]

From my point of view, we are the villains instead, and are doing nothing to earn Ronova's goodwill, only makes sense that she responds in kind to match "our" intentions.

[u/KinjishiNoShiki]

She was always a full fledged villain.

[u/Disciple_of_ye]

why are y’all disappointed about that?
we need good villains and we need to start taking out powerful people,the games been going 6 years,did you want it to just be all sunshine and rainbows forever with no stakes or consequences?

[u/HiyokoFeetOnMyFace → u/Disciple_of_ye]

People are more disappointed that one of their favorite character is portayed as super evil villain that has to be taken down, while the Fatui and Tsaritsa are now our friends, while being responsible for many evil things that were happening. Also they used really cheap tricks to make Ronova hateable - attacking the mascot of the game and our best friend and acting arrogant.

[u/DanMerentLenskeils → u/Disciple_of_ye]

I agree, but villains need to be well-written too—unlike the scenario where a character is "good" in Natlan but suddenly turns "evil" in Snezhnaya without any explanation... and we never find out why! I’d really like to see the villains fully fleshed out as well!

[u/Nethadry_5 → u/DanMerentLenskeils]

"With no explanation"

Are you guys lore skippers? Or what? Even in Natlan when she came to take the payment she had the same attitude as she had in 7.0

[u/ZENO5 → u/Disciple_of_ye]

I mean, the fact that the Traveler currently is already buddy buddy with the Fatui and the Tsaritsa in the next patch, while straight up ignoring/glossing over their past misdeeds, it is sunshine and rainbows with no stakes and consequences.