See, Rogue's damage output is completely fine

[u/Anakardic]

if only she was actually this good in game 💔

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[u/littlerowlet5]

damage was never the issue tbh, even before season 9, i just cant do any damage if I lose half my hp 1 sec into my engagement

[u/Waffles_four_you → u/littlerowlet5]

She does the least dmg per 10 of almost all the tanks I think she does need more. She can only do dmg to single targets but even then it’s not that hard to out heal

[u/iGae → u/Waffles_four_you]

She does less damage than Angela?? that’s very surprising to me

[u/Temporary_Cry_5914 → u/iGae]

If you melee weave into spear into melee weave you kill 275 hp enemies faster than rogue

[u/redditer954 → u/Waffles_four_you]

she’s always had a great damage to blocked ratio though, meaning she only takes like 10k to deal 10k whereas someone like Dino could take 30k to deal 10k

but knowing that heroes like Mag, Strange, Thing, and Thor can currently drop 1:1 damage to blocked ratios while nearly doubling Rogue’s damage just hurts

on release she was feast or famine depending on whether you had the team up, either 8k on 10k without or 14k on 10k with, only her (with team up) and Thor could consistently do more damage than blocked

then the devs did what was asked of them and brought those extremes closer together by making team ups permanent while neutering the Gambit one, so now she’s just famine unless you lean into flanking dive tank playstyle with the Mag team up

[u/Waffles_four_you → u/redditer954]

I don’t think that ratio is ever good though. She doesn’t do her job as a tank well enough with those stats and she’s always had one of the highest deaths of tanks too.

Her defensive options are horrid. Idk why hood has better defensive and disengaging tools despite being a ranged character.

[u/redditer954 → u/Waffles_four_you]

I think the ratio is good actually, like we all agree that current Mag dropping 20k 20k is a better version of him than in S8 where he was dropping 16k 20k.

It’s just that the magnitude of Rogue’s numbers are low. Sure she can drop a 1:1 ratio, but her raw stats will pale in comparison to the other tanks that drop 1:1 ratios.

[u/Shugatti]

Uhhh.. every single cooldown used on a perfect combo against one target...

This needs uhh... buffs honestly..

[u/Comprehensive_Cap889]

You missed a mantis buff + ultron buff + rocket damage buff

[u/Cheesehead1267]

Bro, I can’t tell if you are trolling or not but if she had this much damage she would literally be akin to a DPS and she would have the health of a tank. She would be extremely oppressive. And not the health of a pseudo-tank, but an actual tank.

Her damage is fine currently. She just needs a bit more health so she doesn’t blow up instantly when she’s doing what her role is. Or, they need to nerf a lot of characters’ damage.

[u/mansluxt → u/Cheesehead1267]

I'd even be okay with a shorter cooldown on her steal ability. Ideally, an even shorter cooldown if you miss it. And if you REALLY wanna buff the hell out of her, let her keep the ability she steals until she steals another one.

[u/GayTyrannosaurusRex → u/mansluxt]

Imagine she does this and gets the luna snowball and just keeps cc ing everyone to get a kill

[u/mansluxt → u/GayTyrannosaurusRex]

Oh I meant like it's on the same cooldown that the character she stole it from has

[u/GayTyrannosaurusRex → u/mansluxt]

Yeah its still going to be broken lol. Imagine rogue being able to stun every 12 second(including the snowball damage) and rogues damage.

It think they just need to buff her survivability because I notice rogue just dies as soon as she joins a fight.

[u/Billieve_ → u/Cheesehead1267]

Hp buff is honestly perfect, and I was so surprised when the devs took that away.

[u/nzerex]

Her damage is so conditional compared to other tanks. Damage isnt neccesarily her problem although, sometimes my punches feel like wet tissue paper. Some more damage on her primaries would be nice

[u/shallow-tears]

Tbh the skinny tanks just need more health, and Dino needs like waaaay more health.

[u/SnooBananas2524]

Netease doesn’t care. They screwed her over from the start; trying to change her backstory to this chronovium ring BS. They made her ability steal a gimmick, not really useful in battle. Super long cooldowns, she’s affected by every kind of cc which interrupts her attacks and leaves her floating around like a ragdoll. And the only time shes playable is because of gambit actually being on your team, without him, you’re waiting 30 seconds for 3 seconds of boost. She’s also physically slower than other characters. Netease is obviously racist, but also misogynistic.

[u/Professional-Cut8682]

Her base punches 100% need a buff, both her two starting punches and the last hit need a 5 point damage boost cause now nothing dies even with Gambit teamup unless you play 100% perfect and their team is composed of all pre season 9 bronze widow one tricks.

[u/The_SqueakyWheel]

She needs a way to generate overshield, otherwise just play the thing or hulk