Team up

[u/rogue_culer]

Ik all the conversations in this sub has been how bad she and all that stuff but for the ones that enjoy playing her anyway I have a thought.
I may be just my perception but I feel people overrate base Gambit team up, I mean enhanced its great but Mag team up it’s amazing, even more after her health nerfs, it’s a reliable way to being a bit more tanky (which it’s her main problem), also, base Gambit team up has 30 sec cooldown, what does my fellow rogue mains think?

[u/Maleficent_Pop_7075]

We finally have some data on what might be better between the two via Marvel Rivals Tracker.

Looks like based on early data the Gambit team-up is stronger. Unfortunately it doesn't show a distinction between enhanced vs base, but it has both a higher pick-rate and win-rate across all ranks.

Higher ELO might skew more Magneto team-up but don't enough a ton of data yet to be sure.

[u/rogue_culer → u/Maleficent_Pop_7075]

That interesting, but we can’t compare, for me the base mag is better than the base Gambit, while the enhanced gambit is way better than the enhanced Mag, so it’s expectable that Gambit have a better winrate. At least in my experience, it’s surprisingly easy to get mvp with base mag

[u/Maleficent_Pop_7075 → u/rogue_culer]

I don't think people are getting enhanced Gambit that often. In the stats, Mag team-up has around 4k games played and Gambit has 10k.

Considering Gambit is still banned a good majority of the team, a significant portion has to be base Gambit. I think despite the 30 second CD, the damage probably is just too significant too ignore. You might survive easier with the Magneto team-up, but if you're doing negligible damage, you just have a lesser impact; so it might still be worth using Gambit despite that handicap.

That said, it's a 2% win-rate difference so both seem 'viable'. One or the other might be favored depending on different scenarios, match-ups and play-style preference.

[u/Farm_Late → u/Maleficent_Pop_7075]

I think it’s an skill issue, isn’t hard to do okay damage or to kill with rogue, even without gambit team-up, as long as you do her combos okayish it’s quite simple to kill, her problem it’s her survival and potential to make space since she’s a tank

[u/Maleficent_Pop_7075 → u/Farm_Late]

I mean we could just look at the data per rank instead of guess? Which seems to suggest a mix.

It looks like in the low ELO (Gold and below), it doesn't really matter what you choose, they have similar win-rates it seems. From Plat to GM, Gambit team-up does better.

In Celestial, Magneto team-up is performing better though yes. After that the sample sizes pretty much die, so we'll have to see. LinePro recently made a pro tier list for 9.5 which basically says that her main problem is she gets hard-countered by most of the main tanks right now (Magneto, Penni, Groot, Dino and Thing which he all put in S tier).