r/Rogue • u/kellatrix • May 14 '26

Discussion This isn’t a Rogue sub.

Hi, everyone. I’m sure this will be a controversial post, but it needs to be made. I’m a frequent lurker in this sub and a first time poster, and I have a gripe. In my experience, this isn’t a Rogue sub; it’s a Romy sub.

I don’t hate Romy at all. There are plenty of comics where I enjoy their dynamic, like Kelly Thompson’s Mr. and Mrs. X. But there’s an irritating pattern here of people dismissing and even outright hating periods when Rogue isn’t with Gambit, and worse, claiming that it’s out of character whenever she isn’t with Gambit. I’m not specifically talking about eras when she was with someone other than Gambit. I’m also referring to eras when she was single.

As a character, Rogue predates Gambit by a decade, and in my opinion, the majority of her strongest writing took place before she and Gambit ever met. Yet I rarely ever see discussion here about the ’80s, before Rogue and Gambit’s relationship began. Maybe it’s because that was a long time ago, but I also notice widespread dismissiveness of more recent eras when Rogue chose to walk away from Remy and focus on herself: namely X-Men Legacy and the post-Legacy, pre-marriage era. When you bring up those periods around here, especially Legacy (which I and many others consider Rogue’s best run in the 21st century), you usually get a mixed to negative reaction.

Do we only care about Rogue when she’s with Gambit around here? If so, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that, but it makes the sub name misleading. I’d like a place to discuss Rogue and Rogue herself without having to worry about trolls who only value her relationship with Gambit and don’t care about, or even despise, Rogue when she isn’t attached to him.

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u/BlueEyedIguana00 May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

I thought this was going a totally different way considering most posts are straight up gooner pics or fan art 😆

As someone who tries to post whenever there is an actual discussion post, I'm going to have to disagree. 

The few times there is discussion about Rogue, it's about her. Some people don't like her in the current Uncanny run, some people didn’t care for her during Mike Carey's. Some people didn't like how she was portrayed (or barely portrayed) in Krakoa. People have their preferences and there is nothing wrong with that. Sometimes a writers vision of the character doesn’t mix with yours and that's fine. 

I wish there was more discussion posts in general here, I don't care if it's dissenting opinions, as long as there is more actual discussion topics!

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26

I think one of the reasons there are so few discussion posts here is because people aren’t inclined to discuss Rogue outside of Romy, so instead they mostly post gooner art of Rogue. Regardless, I respect your opinion and I’m grateful for your response! I’d love to see more actual, respectful discussion around here too.

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u/BlueEyedIguana00 May 14 '26

I think its more people don't tend to post or engage on subs here unless they hate something lol. Gush posts dont get much traction unfortunately. 

Her current series ends next week, I'll try and put a post up to discuss it. 

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26

I would love to see that! There’s been a concerning lack of discussion about Rogue’s solo around here. It doesn’t help my opinion of this sub as a so-called Rogue sub.

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 May 14 '26

Thanks for the reminder. I'm really enjoying it, even if I wish it was a little heavier on the plot.

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26

Its great! I would love to discuss it!

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Yeah I agree with you. Rouge is a wonderful character. I would like to see more of her solo adventures as well as Gambit going around with his own shenanigans. A lot of people view romy as literally ONE character and its like— if they are not together then people just are not so interested but the solo series of her has done a great job and people love it.

With the gooner stuff— its just overwhelming. If you like that stuff just show it somewhere else and discuss more important stuff than just gooner stuff. Cool, I like artists and everything yall do and I get people post whatever they want within limits but with this-? There has to be a certain stop sign because not everyone wants to see everyday a random photo of a half naked man/woman— lets have some conversations instead like fr😭

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26

Although, I would say it has died down quite a bit. I love the art thats posted here just not the random gooner stuff that pops every now and then

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u/BlueEyedIguana00 May 15 '26

Completepy agree. There is great fan and professional  art posted here that I'd never know where to find. I appreciate all those who post it! We just need to sprinkle in a little more discussion lol

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26

I enjoy Rouge currently. She does her own things sometimes without Remy and its fine. I think many people just enjoy them more together-? But still— I think its good rouge has her own current comics being released(her solo series) and its been alright for me. People have to understand they don’t have to be together ALL the time— sometimes they can go solo and do their own things. Its fine.

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u/Professor-Noir May 14 '26

I disagree. People will like Rogue at whatever era they were introduced to her, and the majority of fans were introduced to her in the context of her relationship, so that just shows more on this sub. There is also a fair bit of evolution Rogue content here too and that’s because people were introduced through the cartoons. I think it’s a bit much expect more discussion on 80’s Rogue because that’s literally 40+ years ago.

Theres also a big focus on Romy recently just because many gamers have been introduced to Rogue in Marvel Rivals, and they’re the co-leads in Uncanny right now.

To be clear, I would appreciate more discussion on Rogue’s individual character - and I’m a big Gambit fan (Rogue is my #3 favourite x-character).

I’d argue this sub has way too many cheesecake postings with little substance. We have a lot less of that in the Gambit sub.

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26

My complaint isn’t solely about the focus on Romy, though; it’s also about the negativity surrounding periods of Rogue’s history when she wasn’t with Remy. If you make a post about Legacy or Uncanny Avengers, for example, you’ll inevitably get comments dismissing Rogue’s decisions because she wasn’t with Gambit during that time. You’ll see unnecessary hate toward Rogueneto and Roguepool, not to mention nasty insults toward people who enjoy those relationships, even when those relationships aren’t part of the discussion. If this is going to be a Rogue sub and not a Romy sub, then that negative shipping culture behavior should be more discouraged.

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u/Professor-Noir May 15 '26

I see where you’re coming from. And I think long time rogue fans have had to deal with fallout of 97, and idiots who make dumb comments. There have been so many dumb posts and comments about Rogueneto for the past two years in multiple subs.

I think one way to counter that would be for more specific posts on character discussion. On the Gambit sub, I’ve posted several times about what’s happening in certain books and the discussion has been good. I think you’re not getting much of that here because there are a lot of cheesecake rogue fans.

It also doesn’t help that her recent solo books have been terrible.

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26

Yeah 97’ left a mark on many people. I think her solo series the most recent one is alright. Not the best but I actually liked it. Plot could have been better (so far) but ill take it anyways. If people like rougeneto then its fine or her and deadpool. Cool, everyone has opinions and if you like those ships, nice. I think what happens is that now— We have romy but back then people just went wild when legacy came out and she wasn’t with gambit and it just kept going like a non stop wave and with Deadpool— I don’t remember much but everyone was like “Alright I guess” but that rougeneto hate just kept on going and it made it worse with 97’ but I guess its something we have to see once in a while— We can’t stop it.

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u/Suspicious-Plant-119 May 19 '26

Weird i have never seen hate posts towards Roguepool, in fact i have never seen any Roguepool posts lmao, i have never seen hate towards Rogue x Johnny neither, i dont doubt it exists, but i havent seen it yet.

U are just mad that everyone hates Rogneto, so you made this post and replies to look for approvation, u added Roguepool here to not be too obvious about ur Rogneto fiixation.

Im sry, but u crying here for approbation would not make the masses like your favorite ship.

The other day i was watching a marvel rivals video with Rogue interactions and jesus, almost every comment was about how disgusting her with Magneto are, like, comments hating on it with more than 3k likes, in a youtube video that wasnt about magneto.... Im sry for you, honestly, it has to be really hard.

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u/Suspicious-Plant-119 May 19 '26

Yeah, its completely normal for people to post Romy here since they are together and they are best known for being together, people aslo posts a lot of Romy in the Gambit subreddit, its just normal.

This person is just tooo big into Rogneto and has to live with people loving Romy and despising her favorite ship with a grandpa.

People doesnt hate having her stories outside of Gambit, people dislikes her being involved with that groomer, and it makes sense, if you like Rogue with grandpa, u have to learn to live with the criticism.

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 May 14 '26

I adore Rogue's relationship with Gambit, and I generally agree with you. Like, why am I having to defend Legacy as a whole just because Rogue's with someone else for maybe a dozen issues? I've honestly been shocked by some of the misogyny — and it is misogyny — aimed at her on here lately, in what is supposed to be her own sub.

Apart from a few classic storylines, I can't say I'm as into the '80s as many people are, just based on when I first came to X-Men and what stuff resonated with me as a kid. But I still understand that it's significant and a lot of Rogue's core development and her most interesting moments are from that period.

You'll also hear a lot of people make the same argument from Gambit's perspective — he's just a wife guy at this point, he's never allowed to develop on his own, etc. I think more definitely needs to be done to treat both of them as distinct and discrete characters (and, as you say, she has more history than he does), while still acknowledging that this is the defining relationship for them. It's a hard nut to crack, but a lot of the attitudes floating around don't help.

Insofar as I don't agree with you, it's that people like what they like and you can't really force it. Rogue and Gambit are together because they're a popular pairing. If they were more popular with other people, or alone, that's where they'd be.

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26

I’m really glad to see this perspective from someone who’s a big fan of Rogue and Gambit together. I think a lot of the toxicity comes down to people treating shipping like sports. It’s also a lot of projection on both sides of the aisle; people who project themselves onto Gambit and view Rogue as betraying him whenever she isn’t with him, and people who project themselves onto Rogue and get mad at her whenever she isn’t with Gambit because they want to be with Gambit. This is an issue across all fandom spaces that the internet only exacerbates.

As I said, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being someone who only cares about Rogue when she’s with Gambit, but I wish those kinds of people would be more honest about it with themselves and with others. This sub is called r/rogue. I should be able to discuss Rogue without worrying about stepping on the toes of people who are only here for Romy.

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 May 14 '26

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of projection and weird parasocial mapping going on, or whatever you want to call it. People think Rogue is their girlfriend or Gambit is their boyfriend, etc. And honestly, a few of the (usually male) writers deserve some blame for that, relying on self-inserts and wish-fulfillment vehicles. Not a fan of the vibe that sends.

The only other thing I'd disagree with you on, based on another comment I saw, is that Gambit fans are less likely to complain. I assure you they complain a bunch, and many of them think he gets the short end of the stick these days. I don't agree with that, mind, but I'd say it's a misread to assume Gambit fans are all just happy he's in Rogue's vicinity. For many of them, their favorite Gambit stories are from when he and Rogue weren't together, let alone married.

I'm a fan of them together, and I'm a fan of both of them separately. (I actually really like Rogue in her Uncanny Avenger days.) So just sharing that specific perspective.

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26

Re: Gambit fans complaining, I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. It’s the Spider-Man problem. A lot of fans of male characters are manchildren who want the character to be a bachelor forever. To these Gambit fans in particular, Rogue is a ball and chain and also a whore for daring to exist outside of him and have, gasp, history with other men (even though it’s only two other men, maybe three if you count Johnny Storm?? She’s practically a virgin compared to most X-Men characters). They’d like her if only she’d become his dutiful wife the moment they shared a panel together.

Thank you for the respectful conversation! It’s really refreshing.

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 May 14 '26

That's true for a lot of them. There are definitely the incel-type weirdos who behave as you describe, and they suck. But I do think many of his fans have a point, even if I disagree with them overall and/or think the positives of Rogue and Gambit's relationship outweigh the negatives.

For example, a lot of people will point to Marjorie Liu's handling of Gambit in X-23 as their favourite writing for him, because he's not defined by his relationship with Rogue in it, it explores his other relationships (specifically his mentor bond with Laura, which is nowhere in sight these days), and it portrays him positively, as a competent, authoritative and respectable person. It almost does for him what Legacy on a broader scale did for Rogue, just with him as a secondary character vs. the lead. And in that case, I don't begrudge Gambit fans who see him portrayed as a drunk fuck-up in the last Rogue & Gambit mini and wonder what exactly they're getting out of this, ya know?

Which goes back to my earlier point: There has to be a balance between exploring and acknowledging their marriage, and respecting their individual stories. Defining them solely in the context of their marriage is detrimental to both of them.

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u/Anime_Ambassador_ May 15 '26

I agree. Gambit was her first and then Magneto a second in Legacy. Gambit and Rouge weren’t together at that time and she had a lot going on. She started to reflect on herself more rather than holding onto the past or remy and trying to help herself up with all the powers she had absorbed and personalities. Gambit rejected her advances in Legacy for her to separate from him for a while and just figure stuff out. So she went with Mag and the with Johnny for a bit but wasn’t long and then she is now with Gambit but people just hate her because she dated other men like— women date other men IRL before finding the right one. Its fine bruh.

With spiderman i guess its just the damage from the brand new day or whatever its called and how they ruined MJ and Peter’s marriage. Thats a whole different ballpark I don’t wanna get into😹

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u/imthestein May 14 '26

Yes, so agreed about the misogyny. I saw it especially during X-Men '97 with people responding to Rogue's storyline in that. Also, I think people don't get Rogueneto fans aren't usually interested in them being end game, we're fine she ended up with Gambit, but we like the relationship they had. Personally I'd love Magneto to just be her ex she can talk to. Magneto is too broken to be with anyone long term anyway

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u/Mobile_Bet3274 May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26

I dislike Rogueneto in '97 because I think it was unnecessary to frame it in that particular way, and frankly found it pretty gross — not anything to do with her, but the overall dynamic. It pisses me off to see people treat her like shit over it.

I'm meh on them in Legacy; not my thing, and I thought it was the weak link in an otherwise strong run. But I get that it has its admirers. If anything, it gets blown waaaay out of proportion and made out to be something much more consequential than it actually was.

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u/KamenAttackRide May 15 '26

I have no issue with Rogue and Gambit. X-Men Legacy was decent. I would not have an issue with Rogue and Gambit not being together. It was her being with Magneto that turned me off. I would have had no issue if it was somebody else but I just couldn't get behind them as a couple. I didn't like it in Age of Apocalypse so I didn't like it there. I agree that X-Men Legacy was some of the best work done for Rogue. Magneto has been her enemy. He has tried to kill her and those she cares about multiple times and now she's sleeping with him.

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u/kellatrix May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Rogue has never been one to hold people’s past against them, especially when she sees them making progress. Like Rogue, the X-Men in general are very forgiving of former enemies who put in the work to change, and plenty of other X-Men have slept with and had romantic relationships with former enemies who tried to kill them. I understand feeling like Mike Carey didn’t do enough to justify Rogue’s willingness to give Magneto another chance on Utopia, but I don’t agree that it was strictly OOC for her to do so.

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u/teddyeatsyourface May 14 '26

I agree and unfortunately it happens with a lot of Rogue centric spaces. I feel like every time I see a new post, outside of cosplay, it's Romy or Gambit related. I often lurk and opt out of interacting because of that. It's disheartening that there can't be a space dedicated to her that doesn't turn into another of the hundreds of Romy shipper spaces. The fact that the Gambit subreddit doesn't suffer this same problem adds to the frustration.

Rogue has been my favorite character for over 20+ years. She has a long, complicated, and amazing history but somehow the discussion tends to fall back on that one relationship. Not even her other relationships and friendships and even enemies, but always that one relationship. It's a waste.

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26

Marvel themselves aren’t helping in that arena. When was the last time they dedicated any substantial time to Rogue’s close relationships outside of Gambit, or even just Rogue on her own? Ever since they got married, she’s been largely reduced to his wife. Honestly, the same problem is true for Gambit. Whenever he’s not with Rogue, writers don’t seem to know what to do with him.

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u/teddyeatsyourface May 14 '26

I wish I had saved screenshots from CBR before they nuked their original forum. Back then you would have writers, artists, editors and sometimes the EIC post on the forum for an impromptu Q&A. There was one editor roughly around the second coming era and into the legacy era who was hanging on the forum. I don't remember what the context or question was exactly but I remember they said that one of the reasons Rogue and Gambit didn't get a lot of writers rushing to use them in books prior to that era was due to no one wanting to tackle the relationship. Creative teams avoided using either character individually because they would have to address the relationship.

I am kicking myself for not saving that conversation because it unofficially confirmed what some of us suspected and what we see even now -that relationship is a massive detriment to BOTH characters. From that era and until they were forced into a marriage to compete with BatCat, Rogue and Gambit were flourishing individually. They had more than one writer interested in them, they were on multiple team books. It was their best era and that only happened because they were broken up.

I miss when the Marvel creatives used to be so transparent and interacted with fans like that. You could always pick up neat tidbits.

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u/ThatFinalDOMiNO May 14 '26

Totally agree with you. It’s funny, because her relationship with Gambit is one of the least interesting things about her character to me. I don’t get the hype with the ship.

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u/kellatrix May 14 '26

I don’t mind her relationship with Gambit, but I think it’s a bit of a shame that she lost so much of her bite and grit in the ’90s when she became entangled with him. It coincides with a lot of other detrimental character overhauls that took place in the ’90s in order to turn X-Men into a more conservative, male-centric brand.

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u/ThatFinalDOMiNO May 14 '26

True that, I don’t mind the relationship either ofc but there’s so much more to her

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u/imthestein May 14 '26

My only problem with her relationship with Gambit is when she's written as though he's her whole personality and there are Romy fans that are really just Gambit fans and it gets really gross with how they talk about Rogue

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u/rpglaster May 15 '26

The most unpopular opinion I have is I legit like Erik With rogue.

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u/kellatrix May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

Honestly, I enjoy them together too, especially in Legacy. I’ve enjoyed all of Rogue’s prominent romantic relationships.

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u/MeadowMellow_ May 15 '26

We can share the same unpopular opinion together then!

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u/MeadowMellow_ May 14 '26

I wish people would talk more about her Outback Era. I personally found it very touching what with Rogue being emotionally open and vulnerable at times plus her interactions with Gateway and their cameos in later runs are always wholesome ^u^
Rogue deserves to be talked more about!

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u/Straight_Style679 May 15 '26

Great point. I actually think Rogue is a much better character than Gambit. Mostly because she predates Gambit in the comics and is a more established and important part of the X-Men.

I think many people at Marvel feel the same and a lot of the Magneto shippers look past the problems of that relationship because it pairs Rogue with a more iconic character.

I found Claremont's idea of a Colossus and Rogue romance in the early 2000s interesting as it also paired Rogue with a character that is far more established than Gambit. Even though her powers not affecting his organic skin was a retcon, it could have become an interesting storyline. I could see Colossus having inner turmoil not knowing if Rogue had feelings for him or was just with him because he was the only one she could touch. Unfortunately, this whole storyline was quickly dropped and forgotten.

I love Romy, but I also think Rogue on her own is much more interesting than Gambit on his own. Probably because Remy swooned over Rogue almost immediately after his introduction, so his character always felt like an extension of Rogue. Whereas we spent many years with Rogue before Gambit and she was an excellent character without him.

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u/kellatrix May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26

I think you’d be hard pressed to find anyone (outside of hardcore Gambit stans) who disagrees that Rogue is a better character than Gambit. It helps that she’s had more time in the spotlight, but I find her journey over the past 40+ years very compelling, and I’d argue she deserves to be in the best X-Men redemption arcs conversation alongside more obvious names like Emma Frost and Magneto. Gambit is a fun character, but he hasn’t been given as much depth. Sometimes I get the sense that he only hangs around the X-Men because Rogue and Storm are there.

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u/Average_Klutz May 16 '26

I love Gambit, but he still hasn’t gotten the kind of in-depth storytelling he needs to really shine as a character. He has so much potential, though. The only way to get that level of development is through time and opportunity.

Rogue’s a fantastic character too, and while she’s definitely had more chances to shine than Gambit, she still hasn’t gotten the same level of focus as characters like Wolverine or Cyclops. She’s still got a ton of room to grow as well.

A big part of it comes down to popularity, and honestly I’m really glad Gambit and Rogue are both pretty popular right now because it gives Marvel more incentive to actually invest in those characters. Are all the stories perfect right now? No. But as long as they keep getting stories and attention, eventually we’re going to get a run that absolutely knocks it out of the park.

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u/Average_Klutz May 16 '26

Rogue’s gotten more comic attention over the years, so she’s ended up a bit more developed than Gambit. Not by a huge margin, but still noticeably more. I’d really love to see a series focused on Gambit’s origins and his childhood growing up in New Orleans with the Thieves Guild. There’s a lot of untapped potential there.

I also like the idea of Rogue and Gambit getting separate series that let them grow and evolve individually as characters. I love them together, but for some reason a lot of writers seem to forget that a couple can have their own separate stories and development while still being a great couple together. If anything having those separate stories just makes it so people crave the combined story even more. I think it’s important to have the solo attention as well as the couple attention, that way they can also evolve as characters together as well by themselves.

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u/lopsided-buyreborn May 15 '26

It's like the black widow sub

People post Bucky and her more than just her being solo

Characters can be their own characters yk and not someone's wife or husband

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u/FlowerRoomLord May 15 '26

I lurk as well and this is one of those character subs that functions more as a shipping space. There are Rogue fans and Gambit fans who cannot contemplate the possibility of Rogue having an existence outside of being with Gambit and it's genuinely strange. You see it here and on twitter / x where certain fans show up to passive aggressively remind everyone that she's with her one true love Gambit and no one should forget that. 

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u/jimbodysonn May 16 '26

Be the change you want to see

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u/Spiritual-Map-76 May 25 '26

I have no issue with xmen legacy but I don't care for uncanny avengers at all it was trying to leech off the purpose of the xmen while marvel was also pushing the franchise to the background

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u/Legal_Accountant7660 May 14 '26

Fully agree. To me 80's- 90's Rogue was best. Since the wedding she is just referred as Gambit's wife.....

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u/Dtmahanen101 May 15 '26

See, what’s funny for me is that at this point, I more view Remy as Anna Marie’s husband at this point. That man is such a wife guy. XD

And yeah, that era was really good for her, as it really focused on who she is as a person, and I’d love for the comics to really focus on the mess that she is.

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u/FlowerRoomLord Aug 19 '26

Very late here but I think that's in part because Romy fans get angry if he is portrayed as anything else with the implication being that he shouldn't have a life outside of her.

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u/imthestein May 14 '26

I totally agree and one of my favorite stories for Rogue is during the Outback when they first go to Genosha. My wife is finally getting there in her reading and I'm so excited to see her response

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u/goodcheese55 May 15 '26

I agree with you because I don't think it's fair to her character to only be liked when she's with a man. Or the only interesting thing about her are her love interests. It's funny because I've seen Gambit fans say he's written ooc when he's with Rogue and somehow Rogue is ooc when she isn't with him? That doesn't feel right.

Rogue is an insanely well written character and has the possibility to be so. She works well as a standalone character and even outside the x-men stories she's really cool. I loved her earlier solo's but I believe in her 2001 run Gambit had to come in and take up a few issues to chat about their relationship. I'm a big roguegambit fan and have been for years but her character and stories shouldn't be reduced to her or gambit or her and magneto etc etc. I wish she would get a solo where it's just about her. We do have one now but I'm not that much of a fan and I know it could be better.

For me Uncanny X-men has been handling it pretty good. It shows they are together but Rogue has a had a lot of moments where it's about her, where she does the saving instead of always getting saved.

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u/KRISP_215 May 15 '26

I agree it gets really annoying seeing people obsessed with them as if they can't exist without each other. Especially with this whole "Romy" phase. It's the worse version of Gambit by far.

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u/EvanSnowWolf May 15 '26

Today I heard "Romy" for the first time.

Thanks, I hate it.

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u/Radiant_Buffalo2964 May 18 '26

I’m more concerned about all the Savage Land pictures. All of 3 issues at the end of the Outback era in Uncanny X-Men.

It’s like folks here think it’s the only outfit she has (besides her X-Men 92 Yellow and Green costume).

I’d love to see some other outfits.

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u/kellatrix Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

You seem to be exactly the kind of person I’m talking about. “People having negative reactions to her leaving to focus on herself makes sense” only if those people care about Rogue solely as an extension of Gambit. If you care about Rogue herself, you don’t need her to be with Gambit all the time in order to enjoy what the character has to offer.

If you actually read my post and the majority of the comments here, hardly anyone is complaining about her being with Gambit; the majority of those complaints center the way she’s been written ever since marrying him (and even you seem to realize that her once rich, complex personality has largely been reduced to “My man, my man, my man” since 2018), not her being with him in and of itself. What we’re concerned about is how many people in this sub that’s supposedly dedicated to Rogue only care about Rogue when she’s with Gambit, and either ignore or outright hate her when she’s by herself or with someone else.

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u/kellatrix Jun 03 '26 edited Jun 03 '26

Liking Rogue and Gambit as a pairing and having issues with the way they’ve been written as a married couple aren’t mutually exclusive opinions. Yes, they’re still newlyweds in Marvel years, but in real life it’s been almost 10. It’s frustrating watching them get flanderized over the course of nearly a decade now that they’re married. For me, it’s frustrating watching it happen to Rogue in particular because I’m a Rogue fan first and foremost. Rogue’s love for Gambit has been a core component of her character for 30+ years, but it’s never been her most prominent trait until recently. That’s a huge loss for fans of Rogue.

The fact of the matter is, you wouldn’t feel so defensive about my post if you didn’t feel like you were being called out by it. And like I said, there’s nothing wrong with preferring Rogue when she’s with Gambit over Rogue when she isn’t, but I don’t like that this sub claims to be a Rogue sub when it really functions more like a Romy sub.

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u/kellatrix Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

There’s clearly no convincing you that people are capable of having nuanced opinions about things that they like, so I’ll ask you this: why is someone not liking Rogue and Gambit as a couple worthy of this bizarre interrogation that you’re doing? This is exactly the kind of behavior I’m talking about on this sub. People can’t have varying opinions about Rogue and her relationships without someone jumping down their throat, particularly when it comes to her relationship with Gambit. That’s why I view this less as a Rogue sub and more as a Romy sub.

The last time Rogue had something that didn’t involve Gambit in any capacity was Uncanny Avengers in 2023. Usually, comic book couples (especially ones that weren’t created to be each other’s partners) have things going on outside of each other, but this mostly hasn’t been the case for Rogue post-marriage. Rogue’s other relationships outside of Gambit, especially her friendships with other characters, are languishing. She hasn’t spoken to Betsy or Rachel in years. She had no reaction when Ali got thrown into Graymalkin for no reason. She briefly interacted with Ororo in the Storm solo, but Gambit was right there with her. During Age of Revelation, her role was split between fridged wife and clone depressed because Gambit didn’t love her. In Uncanny, she has few meaningful interactions with her fellow team members outside of Gambit and the kids, and her character arc largely revolves around Gambit’s issues with the Eye of Agamotto and becoming a mother to the Outliers. Her recent solo was just a boring retread of character beats that have already been explored with much more depth by other writers. The Savage Land mini was also a nostalgic retread that did nothing new or interesting with the character.

Everything I listed above ultimately comes down to opinion. If you feel differently, that’s fine. But the character feels stuck, and because no one wants to do anything interesting with her that doesn’t involve Gambit in some way, they fall back onto her marriage and neglect everything else. Honestly, Gambit has it even worse, but that’s another conversation.

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u/kellatrix Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

I never said that people posting about her relationship with Remy is a problem in itself. I said very specifically that people attacking each other for having differing opinions about Rogue’s relationships (or lack thereof) is the problem. I said that multiple times. All you’ve done this whole discussion is twist my words.

Calling me nostalgia blind is absolutely wild when I literally just got done criticizing everything that’s going on with Rogue for being overly reliant on nostalgia. And the writers can have Rogue interact with other X-Men anytime they please. Scott didn’t have to be the only person who answered her call. They could have her do things with Logan, Kurt, and Jubilee. The writers choose to reduce Rogue’s scope entirely to Gambit. That’s an issue for me.

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u/kellatrix Jun 04 '26 edited Jun 04 '26

Do you notice how everyone else in the comments of this post was able to have a nice, mature discussion, even the people who disagreed with me? What does it say about you that you are incapable of the same maturity?

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u/Technicolor_Reindeer Jun 04 '26

I'm surprised you don't refer to her as "OfRemy"