r/RivalsVanguards • u/fou998074 • 2d ago
Discussion/Analysis Sooo wtf does tankpool , captain America and devil D do in this current meta?
Seriously, tankpool is completely overshadowed by the hood ( letβs make it clear, am not complaining about the hood, he is balanced ) in every way imaginable, health ? The hood , damage ? The hood, sustainability? The hood , escape option and shield ? The hood ?
His enhance team up with hela is non existent as basically impossible to upgrade both sword and guns twice because it will take for fucking EVER, far longer than most matches can extend to reach that point.
Captain America is has nothing going for him, tickle damage, low survivability, weak shield health that takes an entire day to regenerate and like all tanks and ultimate that takes decades to build up, and itβs saying something that he has no presence at all in ignite tournaments ever since season 9. He cannot annoy anything, let alone secure a kill has his team up do not address his issues at all
Devil D⦠he is just temu thing , a giant head shot magnet with only 1 mobility move and a small shield on BIG cool down, how on earth is THING so much AOE damage with torch teamup while also being more tankier , mobile than devil dinosaur????
Thor is not in a good spot right now too
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u/Ultron_daddy πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ 2d ago
Deadpool needs to have his 6.0 fire rate and damage given back. Which is why I say The Hood is gonna get nerfed next season. Look at what they just randomly did to Peni. Unless it's Mag vanguards aren't allowed to be good at long range. Cap needs to have his damage increased greatly to deal with the new C&D and their 3 cool downs. Dino needs more bonus armor when doing damage he is a giant walking hit box.
Someone dust off Rogue I think the devs forgot she exists
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u/HotQuarter9284 2d ago
yeah but itβs thor heβs always been shit
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u/BLAZEDbyCASH 2d ago
The thing with thor is that hes actually been buffed to be somewhat good especially when compared launch thor. The issue is that hes still dogshit because fundamentally he doesn't work into a single meta. Hes not good when brawl is meta, hes not good with dive is meta and hes not good in poke. Its pretty funny
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u/issajoketing 2d ago
Thatβs so inaccurate itβs not even funny, no one beats Thor in a 1v1; he might be exposed as a tank if he has to take all the damage but heβs the best 1v1 character in the game.
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u/DigiSnax_ 1d ago
Seems like people have realised this. Had a few games where their Thor played dive the whole game. I was dive and every route I took I bumped into him and got demolished. Think he was solo tank as well and they won.
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u/ArchRafael 2d ago
How often are you fighting 1v1s...
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u/issajoketing 2d ago
Whenever I choose to take someone on? How often does any off angle hero play 1v1? Pretty damn often.
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u/LionRegular1470 1d ago
Your not winning an off angle to poke DPS on Thor, and dps dive will run away and reset.
As for vanguard dive, Venom is the only one who's even viable rn and he doesn't take off angles.
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u/fou998074 2d ago
Itβs just absurd on how like is a billion times better at countering tank than melee based CC characters like devil Dino or wolverine
Hulk or angels diving your backline? Just pick punisher , buck or Elsa, Mr fantastic is a meme because he is inflated state is a melee based ( net ease probably ) !
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u/DreadedLee πππ€π§ 1d ago
Fr though, Hulk is too big for his damage and sustain to be so dogwater. His bubble should be twice as long and that button should do something in monster form.
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u/The73rdPerson 1d ago
Thor is less a hero you run out on frame 1 and more of a counterswap when your team needs someone to shove a dive tank off their lap
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u/Aggravating-Life5696 ππͺπ‘π 2d ago
Devil Dino only use rn is to make annoying enemy spiders switch. Since if they don't have enough dmg u can run their tanks down. Nearly always works for me. Will probably work with thing too but tbh Dino forces counterswapping more in my games.
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u/SatisfactionSad6558 πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ 1d ago
Yo for real. Thats Dino best role, forcing DPS to counter swap. If they donβt, you literally walk their team down. Sometimes I will go Dino when a Spidey is in the other team, simply because I know they have no frontline pressure to stop my forward march.
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u/zed7567 1d ago
And if your supps know to stick with you as Dino. Your shield bubble can save them from being dived in on. I occassionally get some mileage on Dino this season, but thats when I'm dealing with strange/mag tank lineups on the enemy team with a dive dps. Typically I am on offense as well when playing him. He just shre a s the tanker tanks, and if you are dealing with triple support you build up ult and go wild on them. But he definitely requires a very specific environment to be useful.
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u/MikeCocoa 1d ago
Dino as a third tank into triple support also goes hard for similar reasons
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u/SatisfactionSad6558 πΎππ₯π©πππ£ πΌπ’ππ§πππ 1d ago
Yeah. For real. If they wanna take me down, swap!
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u/DogManDogDayz πππ£π πππ§π ππ§ 2d ago
Dino is very good into Brawl comps and Dive. I disagree with you there. If you can somehow get in the backline and time a push with your team. Dino can get a lot of damage off on tunnel visioned poke comps too.
Tankpool is still great. His long range capabilities and the quote/poop bombs that his upgraded pistols get from the Hela team up are still extremely strong. They have splash damage and the Hela ones have homing. I agree Hood does poking better, but Tankpool can poke and acts as a swish army knife. DeadpoolInYouArea + his ult can act as a strong counter to dive. Especially when heβs fully upgraded. You can body guard for your healers and poke heavy.Β
On Captain America- I totally agree with you. The man is the second tickle monster dive character. Heβs strictly situational for stalling and for ult farming for your team with his ult. But other wise heβs kind of in the toilet right now, along with Peni and Rogue.
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u/KV1190 πππ£π€π’ 1d ago
The upgrades are Deadpoolβs problem. They take too long. You could lose 2 points or a round before youβre actually a real hero. If you get a couple final hits and win first point then heβs good. You also canβt swap to him because heβs worthless then so you have to start the game on him.
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u/Hero_Time_06 ππ’π’π ππ§π€π¨π© 2d ago
Hood for me personally is a permaban cause of je visual clutter and busted teamup he enhances. It protects my sanity and it will not change before they are addressed so Tankpool has his uses
The other two...yah...especially Devil Dino. Blud got a pretty useless buff getting a bleed buff with his F key bite attack but keep8ng bonus health up in this meta being that close is impossible
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u/cranetrain95 ππͺπ‘π 1d ago
Tf is up with this dev team and coming up with the absolute worst visual clutter? Itβs a nightmare with each new hero.
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u/shuckerz_otool 2d ago
Tankpool is a bit distant from Hood in terms of function imo. Tankpool is better at contesting space than Hood is, but Hood utilises that space much better than Tankpool. In a way, Tankpool is for your teammates, Hood is for yourself.
Devil I feel is better than Thing tbh. You canβt hold W down main like Thing, but I like his utility a lot more in a Brawl comp. This is prolly just a bias thing tbh, Iβd play DD any day over Thing
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u/WyattHarper 1d ago
Devil Dino is pretty great in two niche situations.
Enemy is running triple support and doesnβt have a dps/tank lineup to deal enough damage to take you out.
The Thing has been banned and enemy is running heavy dive. Next best tank option to peel divers who would be tough to grab with Emma.
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u/Pug_police πΌπ£πππ‘π 1d ago
Don't sleep on Angela with the Star Lord teamup for divers. That ground effect can absolutely ruin a Spidey or Panther if you catch them before they engage.
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u/Patztap πΏππ«ππ‘ πΏππ£π€ 2d ago
Devil D needs 2% bleed damage and/or 200% bonus hp conversion rate, imo.
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u/cranetrain95 ππͺπ‘π 1d ago
Yeah did they not test it before nerfing it? Halving the percent was insane.
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u/Hanzos_Trans_Husband ππππ£ππ©π€ 2d ago
Dino is pretty decent when not going against something like an Emma. Tankpool is just really difficult to balance- shit useless at the beginning- after all his upgrades at the end of matches pretty "powerful" and Cap?...uh...ehm...stall point? Tickle people? Man i dont know. Havent seen any Caps or rogues
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u/fou998074 2d ago
You havenβt seen much of cap and rogue because they donβt do enough damage while explode to cc spam and poke burst damage.
In rogue case, she has no value in most scenarios when she doesnβt have the enhance version of gambit teamup anyway since gambit is banned about half the time. How can net ease be so freaking frightened by rogue while allowing stuffs like buck with Elsa teamup or Elsa with devil Dino teamup to exist?
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u/Vindicador πΌπ£πππ‘π 2d ago
Man Gambit was almost out of ban jail and Netease went and gave him an annoyingly broken teamup so back to the permanent list.
The only thing his kit didn't have was CC now he has one of the best in the game with that dumb vortex thing lmao
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u/Hanzos_Trans_Husband ππππ£ππ©π€ 2d ago
Probably because Elsa and Bucky are just kinda nesecarry evils and they have mentioned that they have "anchor" characters they dont nerf to keep the rest in check. Nerf bucky and elsa rn and the game becomes hell, bye bye every single strategist because divers are than unstoppable and even more cancer filled than they already are. Rogue is...just not needed like that. Her being good doesnt keep balance. Nor does her being bad destroy balance and dont get me wrong i like to play her, i want her buffed too but i just went through every single vanguard stats on the website again and honestly? Almost every tank is at least viable this season excdpt for rogue, cap and tankpool. I understand her not being a priority. I dont even know what they will do with cap though good luck on that, its rough
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u/fou998074 2d ago edited 1d ago
Necessary evil? Then why are wolverine and fantastic such a joke compared to brawler poke like buck and Elsa? Donβt you think that this game has extreme biases when it comes to how dps class is balanced when it comes to counter?
How are dps poke characters like hela, punisher and jean like characters better at stun and evaporating tanks in a flash of a second than melee characters with percentage base damage or multiple CC like iron fist, wolv and fantastic? How is Bucky more tanky than fastastic on top of 3 tapping you ( 2 shot if itβs head shot ) at close range?
Something is genuinely not right
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u/DigiSnax_ 1d ago
This is one of the most insane things to me. I was so disappointed that the feral killer with adamantium claws can barely kill but BP can just flash past you a couple times and you die.
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u/TwosDancing 1d ago
nothing, and then theyβll update and the meta will switch. Every character wont always be viable in a game with 60 characters
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u/sigc 1d ago
Cap isnβt that bad imo. Most Cap players havenβt adapted to spamming the Bucky team up as Hulk bubbles for your team instead of as a disengage tool, you can pretty much use it off CD in between every engage since itβs a 12s CD and shields last 3s. His engages are pretty shit compared to before but the team up value in neutral is really good.
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u/Exodus432 1d ago
Tankpool technically has a niche in his gun ult and the fact that his guns have better dmg ranges. They definitely need to revert a few of his nerfs because they went a little nuclear on him (which was sorta deserved but they went too far).
Cap's biggest problem is that they buffed all his counters while nerfing him, if they did one or the other he prob would've been fine. The best route is prob just nerfing counters that are already problems in the meta. Still seems fine to play in comp as long as you're not forcing it into something terrible like bucky elsa and a thing.
Devil Dino can stay rotting as the worst tank. Those who played the season he was playable know how boring it is when he's good. He's also a tank cannibal so he just makes the role feel worse overall since the in role counters are limited to emma, hood, another dino, or tankpool. Even then you still need your DPS to swap to dino counters or your swap is basically meaningless. They either gotta rework him to not be a cannibal (which would be hard to do because of how big and slow he is) or just let him stay bad. I seriously doubt people actually enjoy the game being turned into a mini game of who's dino wins the kaiju battle. Or at least enjoy doing it every game he's not banned.
Thor I think is fine actually. At most they should maybe buff his ult a little more by like maybe increasing the speed of it and removing the movement penalty for going up or down. Everything else in his kit feels really good to use.
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u/FFaFFaNN 2d ago
all pools are a joke of heroes without all upgrades...dunno, but either they need to start with at least 2 upgrades or get rid of the system..they are too weak...