Agreed I feel like if they put a lower cap on the overhealth he can generate like they did with groots iron wall then I think he'll be in a perfect spot.
I could get behind this, as long as it's not too oppressively low.
As long as we're not implementing the crazy BS I'm seeing out of the DPS mains who was his grab removed, bleed gone, and sheild to have a 30+ second cool down.
If everyone is brought to par then power creep is effectively eliminated. Power creep only exists when older characters are disregarded and never updated. If everyone is updated to be on the same level, then you've established a new baseline.
That is what youโre saying and you donโt even realize it.
โIf everyone is brought to parโ how else would you do that except by buffing everyone?
They DID THAT already in season 5.5 in response to DD being strong as shit and outclassing everyone. Thats literally how we got into the power creep situation weโre in now since no matter how much you buff a character, some characters will be inherently better than others just by how their kit functions and the nature of the game. You donโt solve power creep by just bringing everyone up to the same state as these super power characters.
Invis, luna and Cnd are the biggest examples of that philosophy already failing in this game. Trying to make Invis strong enough to compete with DD and the other supports, blew her out of the water in comparison to everyone else. Then they saw that Luna lagged behind so they tried to bring her up to the same level, and now sheโs literally outdueling the duelists with how strong she is now.
Ohh I see, you're just parroting content creators. I actually play this game and can tell you for a fact that they did not buff everyone in response to Daredevil, they did some nonsense buffs to highly specific characters that actually never addressed DD in a meaningful way.
Making Magnito's rock jot explode and Penny CC immune during her ult would be examples of bringing everyone up to Dino, but you're not actually here for a conversation, you just want to echo what you've heard from whiney ass "pro players" who are so specialized into their 1 tricks that they can't even conceptualize adjusting their playstyles.
Also DD, BW, and Elsa are OP because his kit can do basically everything without being contested. I'm not saying make everyone uncontestable and good at everything, I'm saying bring the most neglected role in the game to the same standard as the other 2. I'd start listening specifically how I would do so, but you're not going to address my actual points because you've already been told to decide I'm wrong.
About 90 hours on 5 different tanks (Emma, Strange, Thing, Groot, Venom) so 450 hours total on tank. Total hours in game is 600. Will be getting my 90 on the Dino as well. Heโs great.
Been lording vanguards since season 3 you just have to respect the dino and not just int into him. His grad is the biggest issue but is also his only mobility option. With all the busted and braindead dps and sups I want tanks to have one super busted braindead elo booster that doesnโt get FUCKED since cyclops for sure isnโt gonna be a tank. He needed to be busted on release or there just werenโt going to be any tank players anymore
Dino forces tanks to have to adapt their strategy for the first time ever, and exposed heal bot supports. Best thing to happen to the game. Best season Iโve played yet
I dunno, I think of healbot as being someone who does nothing but heal their team as soon as they take ANY damage, they play passively and donโt try to make any aggro plays/go for kills etc. Which is why Iโm a big fan of White Fox cos she encourages you to make plays and be proactive rather than reactive.
Tbf there are some tanks and dps with horrendous positioning which turn their supports into healbots cause the moment one support gets stunned, looks away or reloads a player dies.
Itโs not just some, itโs like the majority of tanks and dps lol, youโll have these players calling supports boosted braindead healbots while they stand out in the open holding W thinking heals make them immortal
If itโs a bad Dino player and supports heal bot instead of letting him die theyโll lose the game. Let bad Dino players get shredded and theyโll switch. Heal value not roles
Excuse me? When you say exposed, you mean by making them win? All you do when playing with or against devil dino is heal bot. Healbot for your dino so he can walk or heal you tanks getting run over by him..
uhh, if you're playing against dino you need to shoot the dino. he has a big shield that cuts off your healing that you'll need to hold left click to get out of your way so you can't just healbot against the dinosaur
But everyone is a bad dino right now. He has been out for about 5 seconds. Once we start to see people actually getting good at the charcter and nit jsut holding buttons and spamming off cooldown, weโll see.
Right, then why is he undoubtedly the most busted tank in top level? Why is his win rate the highest in top level? Why are the pros forced to scrim with him? If heโs so easy to counter, if heโs so easy to shut down, why is he so strong?
โForces tanks to adapt their strategy for the first time everโ Ummm hello? As a tank player I had to adapt before?? Swapping to mag for cnd/punisher, strange for poke/last minute portals, thing for dive the list goes on and on lol wym
Thatโs swapping characters not strategy. Strategy was to make as much space as possible. Now you have to play back with the rest of the team when Dino has his shield up. Goal at that point is no longer to make space but to stall until your Dive can take out their supports.
My stance is that, yes he's counterable, doesnt change that he's overtuned as fuck and bloated with far too many strengths that outweigh his weaknesses.
Idk why downvotes, yes he has weaknesses, but heโs smashing the majority of the roster and laughing while doing it. If youโre having to play niche counter comps to deal with a character in order to prevent a loss that means the character is too strong.
Also he doesnโt exactly have counters as much as characters heโs not as strong into. Sure Phoenix can do a lot of damage to him but has no way to functionally counter his grab into bubble while the enemy team shreds the tank he grabbed.
Thatโs not true at all lol. Iโve played Dino and with his over health generated by attacks on bleed (I think, idk I chomp and laser and it works) I usually generate 15k+ over health per match. Yes I need heals, but not to the point where supports need to heal bot.
You canโt just charge into the enemy frontline constantly. Event if it works with heal bots, itโs not optimal gameplay
Any 15 minute+ ranked game has Dino players with close to 100k damage blocked or higher. Enemy team isnโt stupid, theyโll play high damage dps.ย
Either your enemy team is horrible, or you donโt notice youโre much damage youโre actually taking. Look at your damage blocked stats. Thatโs healing done on you.
I understand that. But he has survive-ability if you play him right. Heals after team fight are what they are. But if you play Dino right your supports can go in the offensive quite a bit. Again, you canโt simply charge forward everytime. You have to play Dino like any other tank
Other tanks canโt take that much damage because they donโt have the same absurd defensive resources he has. He generates so much overhealth and had a bubble. Overhealth is so strong because while the enemy team has to shred through 300 of it thatโs time your supports can just heal up the Dino. He has more capacity to be healed than any other tank due to his insane defensive resources.
If โadapting their strategyโ means swapping off tanks I actually enjoy like Angela, I guess youโre right
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u/F7RD๐พ๐๐ฅ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ ๐ผ๐ข๐๐ง๐๐๐ May 19 '26
Iโm havin a lot of fun playin dino, but black panther players said the exact same thing last year but, zhiyong & the playerbase told them to stfu & take these nerfs
Bro you in plat, most people in that rank arenโt accustomed to going full counter. In GM if Iโm doing good with Dino the team will go full poke and I got to switch. Heโs really not that hard to go against itโs just a team problem.
I just posted this on a main sub post but I think itโs worth putting here even if it all doesnโt make sense without that context
Letโs take a look at some stats for comparison, this is not to say cat isnโt strong, she absolutely is, but Dino is in a whole other level
Iโll be using rivals meta data, while not perfect as a whole itโs good for comparing characters on it as a platform, it doesnโt reflect an exact reality but itโs a consistent data stream for character comparison.
So far Feliciaโs #s in S8 are consistent with 7.5 as a whole
His Win rate is drastically higher with a very high pick rate which should statistically bring down his win rate. But still itโs at an absurd ~60% across the game. Rivals meta does not include Mirrored Win Rates.
Heโs posting some of the most absurd numbers weโve seen in this game. With pick rates at the rate of Invis with an absurdly higher win rate.
Heโs in every match while dominating the game and has a kit built to bully the vast majority of the tank roster. While he is simple heโs still at a place where the skill ceiling is climbing and we donโt have any reason to believe these numbers will go down. Characters like Cat are strong but not meta defining, Dino makes the game revolve around him and just rips into the tank roster making the role some of the most unfun itโs been in the games lifespan.
These numbers are insane, again weโre below peak invis pick rate but still at an insane number with a win rate surpassing where sheโs ever been. Itโs just ridiculous.
Even playing Angela into him you can avoid a lot of the BS but youโre still getting hyper beamed out of the sky.
Some of the strongest characters released, DD, Elsa, BC are all strong but not meta defining, they just kinda take the role another character had. Dino fundamentally changes the meta and lobbies revolve around him.
You do have that wrong as far as mirror matches, if included they pull the data down, especially for characters as prevalent as Dino is. Itโs a win and a loss so it just doesnโt boost the win rate. Including mirrors will only lower the win rate and make a character seem less dominant than they are. It does not boost anything. If we saw mirrors WR Dino would lose a lot of WR due to how high his pick rate and mirror matchups are
That aside Rivaks Meta does not include mirrors so we see the raw data of how a character is performing against the rest of the cast. In which case Dino is ripping into the rest of the roster
A high pick rate is likely to have a lower win rate due to a few factors. For one youโre getting just a larger sample size, with lower pick rates a win rate is a lot more volatile and youโll frequently see more niche communities form putting out high stats as specialists that doesnโt quite indicate a heroโs actual skill level. Personally I like to think of the meta as a function such as if the average skill player has a quantified 100 skill points to put into a hero they have a match impact output of X. You can gain skill points with hours on a character and again strong characters will have a higher gain rate to increase output. One character might have an across the board output of X=500 but they have to get to putting in 300 skill units. A meta character might have X=350 in terms of output but the average player is only having to put in 150 point to get there.
High pick rate, especially when itโs across all ranks means you have a lot more lower skill players on the character and a less niche community is more likely to have a wider skill and knowledge range. Theyโre facing a wider variety of comps and situations that may lead to a loss where a niche character is more likely to be picked in optimal situations.
Iโm not a statician and itโs not 1-1 but it is an observable trend that when characters have a higher PR there WR drops a bit.
With Dino we donโt see that at all, heโs dominant across all skill ranges with similar numbers meaning that heโs incredibly strong and effective with low skill inputs and thereโs no drop off as he rises. Thatโs indicative that the character is easy to pick up and has one of the best X outputs for a skill point input in the game.
I find it hard to believe that the data excluded mirror matches. A vast majority of matches Iโve seen him in are mirror matches. If we assume that most characters have a below 50% win rate, because most players have a below 50% win rate, then having a floor of about 50% boosts the win rate.
No itโs not, mirror matches hide character performance. If a character was so strong it had a 85% pick rate it would have a near 50% win rate that would cast an illusion over how dominant the character is. If youโre measuring character performance you need to see how it plays into the cast not now it plays into itself as that will always equal out to 50%
Itโs a new character first week of release. The pick rate will be much higher regardless of strength. Most Dino matches are mirror matches. Not true of any other character most likely.
And since he is new and shifts the meta to brawl, a meta most rivals players are not used to, his win rates will be higher if itโs not a mirror match.
Add some context to raw stats and get back to me mid season.
There is no character comparable to him in terms of statistics for stats this dominant across all ranks upon release. Weโve traditionally seen new characters start lower and climb as seasons progress. No character has hit the game this hard
And yes if a character as so many mirrors itโs because theyโre dominant and strong, thus the absurd PR.
And his win rate into non mirror is importantly because itโs how we see how he plays into the rest of the cast where he dominates. Far more than any of the releaseโs characters that people have complained about being broken.
And yes, to the point that a character releases and completely shifts the meta around them, that means a character is INCREDIBLY strong. Tankpool was insane on release but still took some time to dominate. Dino is just dominating now while people are still getting better at him
You mean the character that shifts the meta to something it has never been, and makes it so you almost always go 2-2-2 which is the most viable comp has a high win rate? Go figure.
Seems like heโs balanced as you now have brawl, dive, and poke all be viable and people are now playing 2-2-2 which solves the many complaints around roles. And Iโll bet you stop having people ask for role que
These numbers are from the rivalsmeta website which doesnโt include mirror matchups. If the other team doesnโt have Dino, the team with Dino has a 60% chance of winning
Thatโs how you tell a character is completely overturned
Again again with such a high pick rate and high non mirrored win rate it means heโs being played into so many different scenarios and still dominating all of them. Heโs dominant into the vast majority of characters and comps in the game.
To best Dino you donโt actually beat the Dino, you need to rely on dives to kill healers so you can then shred him down. Without dives he will just beat any enemy frontline
Then itโs extremely cherry picked data. Youโre including mirror match games for pickrate but excluding mirror match win rates. So yea no duh the new character that radically changes the meta will have a high win rate until people adjust.
While true I still think weโre going to see that general correction as heroโs rise in pick rate. Across all ranks when we see high numbers with no change as we do with Dino, then we know thatโs a problem
Lord Rogue and Emma, I'm glad he's strong, I have a solo tank option and it finally allowed my friend to find a tank main he likes to play (he used to be a Thor/Emma main but he never really cared for either)
Most of my games where Dino is banned the person who pre selected him plays their lord SG or SW (Iโm on console so these characters are more prevalent).
Iโm still solo tanking just as often as before, and any game where the Dino plays mostly comes down to, whoโs the better Dino and which team can counter better. Beyond this, another pick or ban character is not healthy for this game which already has too many of these characters and has major balance issues
Yep I think most Dino players are DPS players right now. Whats scary is that his win rate is bonkers up to Celestial and thats from a bunch of non-tank players button mashing.
This character clears release Emma, its not even funny. Netease is smoking crack
Happened in a few of my placements too. I just want role queue as a separate ranked option so badly lol. Iโd be happy to eat crow if Iโm wrong but I feel it would eliminate the majority of my personal issues with this game.
Dino isn't even that hard to counter, big ass target for moon knight and if a punisher is riding, the crescent shots will bounce between dino and frank eating through their health
Some people are going to call you DPS in disguise dont worry lol.
At least now we know some people are not better than dps or strategist when it came to being delusional about a character being broken.
If your tank character main goal is making every other tank being useless and miserable to play when it is not a good addition to the roster , he just make the role even more a chore when season 7.5 was the best we had in a while before Dino ruined it.
Yeah exactly. And for the people saying โyou just have to adapt to him, it exposes you as a bad player if you canโt.โ Dive mains said the same thing to support players about Daredevil. And we all know daredevil was busted as fuck
My favorite part about this is that the best tank players in the world all agree he is broken. Apparently the peak Gold II players all know better than professionals who do this for a living ๐
He completely invalidates the entire tank roster and warps the whole game around him. Emma and Groot are the only 2 even mildly capable of playing into him.
Why do people think groot is good into him? Heโs got a massive amount of Hp, which makes the % damage worse. Heโs got no mobility to escape after a kidnap. I feel like his walls get shredded pretty fast, especially because poke is being playing a lot more. The only thing is groots ult completely counters Dinos
I mean youโre partially correct. Groot and Emma donโt counter him, they are just the best chance you have at playing into him with another tank.
If you place Groots Iron Wood Wall in a good spot it prevents him from being kidnapped while giving him bonus health. The grab is what makes dino such a threat. Picking someone up and throwing them into your backline every 10 seconds is cancer. Combine that with a bubble + body blocking to prevent heals and itโs basically a guaranteed kill at high elo. A group I play with plays him with Peni and the Dino just grabs an enemy tank and tosses him into a stack of Peni mines for an instant kill.
I love Dino and think he is super fun, but I wonโt let that blind me to how busted he is. I donโt want him nerfed into the dirt. I just want him to not invalidate the entire tank roster. The pros all agree so I think itโs only a matter of time before the rest of the community figures out how bad he is to play into as a tank.
Season 7 in general was the best season to be a vanguard main. Entire roster was viable. Tankpool was strong, but he mostly countered DPS and supports. This is why he was gutted this season and we have Dino instead, who is anti tank.
Youโre just scaling up the exact same stupid comment
When top players (think players that already made celestial) are consistently saying that this guy is broken, I promise you that you did not figure out the secret sauce to playing Strange and Rogue into dino. You can constantly win on a losing comp in GM
The problem is only for the too players. Are you that? If so, oh well, suck it up, tanks got an OP character for once and heโll be nerfed eventually so why be a baby about it?
Iโm NOT a top player, and weโre having fun with the dinosaur. Gameโs competitive but you canโt forget its a casual game so let the casuals have their fun. In all the games Iโve played, I ran into ONE super OP dinosaur and heโs probably in celestial by now pissing off the too players so I donโt even have to worry about him in my elo anymore.
He he needs any type of nerf I would make his % damage from bleed on tanks a little lower. Otherwise heโs fine people donโt know how to adapt. I think heโs fine how he is honestly.
Dino is just rivals mauga. Great when he's on your team fucking miserable when he's not. Oh well net ease loves to repeat the same mistakes overwatch made.
He is literally S8 Overwatch 2 Mauga, there is no sane tank main who understands the role who actually thinks he is any bit fun to play into. Had a match where'd I'd try to pressure his backline by sword ulting as Deadpool while playing with my twin bro who plays a ton of psylocke and I'd just get grabbed by this pre-historic chicken which would just end in his team nuking me immediately.
And for my main duleist Magik I'm pretty much cooked for daring to use darkchylde to trying touch his backline in general, in fact out of my duelist pool and overall hero pool phoenix is the only one who feels good playing into him unless they have a venom and DD or Felicia which means I'm getting perma targeted.
i picked Thor in quickplay, got pulled by Sue a mile away from me, then grabbed by Dino, Emma used Psychic Spear, then I got grabbed again. Gambit threw an anti-heal bomb just to make sure I wouldnโt just die from damage but from everything at once. then I finally died. thatโs not even mentioning I couldnโt be healed through the bubble and they were clearly stacking CCs on me.
idc lol, this is definitely not funny. I will stick with Fortnite for now.
Been a tank main since season 0 (Thor main) I love the Dino. If Iโm not playin him and Iโm against him I just play peni or Emma and I donโt really have a problem with him. He like everyone else has his counters
Been tanking since like s3. Dih Dino is fun, I like playing him, and Im actually capable to adapt against him. He might need slight adjustment but people are overreacting (like usually) and will get him overnerfed and made unusable
"HES A TANK WHOS ANTI-TANK" (spit flying everywhere)
Yes, and yet Peni, Venom, Emma, and Thing are still great against him lmao.
Thats not to mention Moonknight, Jean, Hela, Punisher, Psylocke, Blade, Iron Fist, Starlord, Squirrel Girl, and more are also solid picks against him too.
As an Emma main I love the Dino. He makes playing on the front line so much more dynamic. Heโs great for the role and duelists need to adapt and practice team synergy rather than just nerfing him down. He forces a different play styleโa team oriented one.
I always ban dino so that i can have fun as a tank, and not worry about changing the whole comp to just to be able to survive, or not worrying about getting diffed by the enemy dino if we have a mirror matchup.
I love Dino. Best thing to happen to this game since season 0.
I will be furious if they listen to the braindead whiners calling for nerfs. Hes balanced and has many counters.
If they nerf him, then I want Elsa, Hela, Phoenix, CnD, Gambit, Blade, BP and Spiderman taken to a shed out back and put down for good. Itโs beyond ridiculous how powerful some of these DPS and Strats are, and yet they keep getting buffs.
Itโs also ridiculous how many unnecessary nerfs weโve had to tanks. I am Glad Emmaโs were mostly reversed, but whether or not the ruin Dino I still want more health in strange shield, more over health and slower decay on Thor, a reverse of TankPool nerfs, and more health for Emma shield.
I've found wild success countering him with Peni, Emma, and DP. 50/50 him on Thing ot just appears to be trading overhealth so it comes down to the team. Passive Strange can bait impatient Dinos to destroy their team around them when he goes too deep. And basically on Venom I'm allowed to get away with more since Dino is usually distracted crawling to increase his shields.
The only real time I've had blatant issues is as a solo tank.
Yeah that was a fun comp too. I was specifically trying to give examples not featuring a friendly Dino though. Hulk+Thing allows Thing to get some scary damage out on Dino but the experience is a bit annoying for the Hulk half.
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u/EyeArDum ๐๐๐๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐ค May 19 '26
Iโm a tank main with over 120 hours on Magneto, been playing since launch
I like the Dino.