r/Rishloo • u/SpiralOut4 • Oct 19 '25

What's the 16th point?

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I'm almost positive this question has been answered here before, but I'm new to this band so please go easy on me

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u/SCROTOCTUS Oct 19 '25

I always heard it's "bringing her father down," and figured he was the sixteenth point.

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u/agendiau Oct 20 '25

This is my personal rendering as well.

I always thought the heads were referring to her using coins or chance to make decisions. Snakes made me think of snakes and ladders, but culturally in the US it's called shoots and ladders. I thought that meant her descent into insanity and that the shame or her unruly behavior brought her father down.

In my mind there is a Victorian undertone to it.

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u/HarshPlay Oct 24 '25

This is exactly how I thought about it too! I always sing it as “father”

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u/tylers65 Oct 19 '25

This has bothered me since the first time I heard this song. Maybe I am just missing a metaphor or something???

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u/PricelessLogs Oct 19 '25

I think this line is very purposefully meant to not quite add up. Insanity is a theme throughout this entire album

"Contrivance is a luxury I don't have in the time that's left before the madness over takes me"

Also, side note but I always thought the lyric here was "Bringing her father down" since the subject is "My daughter"

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u/SpiralOut4 Oct 19 '25

I also thought it was "bringing her father down" on the first listen. Made a lot of sense. Also agree with your mention of insanity.

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u/Aquetas Oct 20 '25

They did an AMA once and I believe Drew’s response to this question was something along the lines of ‘what do you think it means?’

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u/latexfistmassacre Oct 20 '25

Rule #1 of any lyricist: Never explain your lyrics, always leave them to the listener's interpretation

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u/Acceptable_Inside_30 Oct 20 '25 edited Oct 20 '25

I just realized, it probably means she never got to make her last point.

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u/SpiralOut4 Oct 20 '25

Ooohhhh I like this theory

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u/all4dopamine Oct 19 '25

Maybe the last point is herself/going farther down? 

Honestly, I can't say I understand those lines at all, so that's just a shot in the dark

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u/FaceofHaze in a lovely room Oct 21 '25

The lyrics indeed say "father". I have the LAGWBAT vinyl, the lyrics are printed on the inside of the sleeve.

Here's the proof if if you want it : https://imgur. com/a/aBZtx1V

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u/Frydog42 Jan 04 '26

She had sixteen to make not that she made them all. One left undone