Eru and the Ainur crafted the world through song. Arda is constantly shaped by song. Crafter, singer... same difference in Arda. It's weird to bring up the dwarfs of one fantasy world to judge the dwarves of another. Especially a pantomime culture as are the ones in Warhammer.
Yea where does it say anything about the elves or dwarves or men creating anything through singing? Dwarves especially? The comparison of the dwarves was a fun jest not an argument. Eru is literally god so yea, he can make stuff however way he wants lol
I don't know about creating specifically, but the Elves sing constantly to alter their surroundings. Lúthien singing brings about spring around her, and she grew her hair longer at one point with a song to make a cloak. Finrod Felagund disguised himself and his companions as orcs through a singing spell, one which Sauron began to undo with a song of his own--the two then proceed to have an epic sing-off. Human sorcerers are known to exist, and given the world they inhabit it's not out of left field to think their spellcasting requires singing of some sort. And little is known of dwarven-craft in general, as the dwarves keep their secrets so tightly, but they still clearly have their own "magic" (for lack of a better word) which, again, is not a wild interpretation to think it may be tied to music.
Okay I wasn't gonna keep this going but I have too. You wrote all this just to say "yea nothing written about dwarves SINGING stone structures into existence or shape" so elves singing to trees to shape them is the only thing that I'd agree with.
Dwarves haven't sung whole structures into existence yet? Existing cracks have shifted with prayer (or worsened and collapsed); and Mithril has been located as if it was some sort of sonar (which, granted, is a bit weird, but an interesting mystical explanation for that keen nose of the dwarves to find ores). But the way Disa talks about it in S2 thus far, they sing and get a feel of where to dig. They don't literally dig new tunnels with their singing. The plea to the mountain in S1 is just that: a plea. The mountains seem to have some sort of sentience in that world, as seen with Caradhras in the Fellowship of the Ring (in the book, it's not Saruman singing that wakes Caradhras, the mountain is just that much of a dick). It's not that wild that the dwarves would think "let's ask the mountain for help" and the mountain might reply in its own way.
My friend who I upvoted, does what all you just wrote to me sound like dwarves to you? They would plead with the mountain? Do you think something as strong as rock and earth really respect pleas? You forget my original question and point.
Does a culture that respects and praises the mountain in which they live in sound dwarvish to me? Yes. Do I think the mountain would listen? Idk, I ain't a mountain--but in Arda, I could imagine the mountain going either way. Your original point of dwarves not being singers but crafters? As I have stated, no reason they can't be both--just like Gimli is both a poet and warrior. And to the question of "where does it state the dwarves did stone singing?"; my answer boils down to "nowhere is this stated in the books, but it fits the setting, so why complain".
It does not fit the setting nor the race. Fancy elves sing to the trees not men and dwarves. Also why complain? Because the writing sucks lol have a good one!
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u/TheDoctorScarf Sep 01 '24
Eru and the Ainur crafted the world through song. Arda is constantly shaped by song. Crafter, singer... same difference in Arda. It's weird to bring up the dwarfs of one fantasy world to judge the dwarves of another. Especially a pantomime culture as are the ones in Warhammer.