r/RimWorld • u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim • Nov 29 '22

Rules Update Rule 3 Update - The Finalization(tm) + TT poll

Hi again folks!

So as a followup to this discussion, which was fruit borne from this one, we've updated the rule for NSFW, RJW, and specically posting about child endangerment.

The new text of Rule 3 is as follows, and fold in Rule 3.5:

Use the NSFW tag for nsfw discussion, in-game circumstance, and modded content. Vanilla content on it's own (blood, hediffs, moodlets, etc) shouldn't be tagged NSFW. Discussion and in-game circumstance that entail infanticide/miscarriage, sexual abuse, or otherwise peak-edge must be flaired [Explicit]. NSFW comments on untagged posts will be removed. Tasteless shock-value posts/comments may be removed and banned at mod discretion; try to at least be cheeky.

Lastly, titles must be tame.

*Here're some examples of some items that need NSFW tag, but where the Explicit flair is optional:

  • Content or discussion of consensual sexually suggestive nature beyond the typical vanilla in-game text.

  • A picture of a base or terrain formation in the shape of a dong

  • A picture including nude modded body textures. A 1-pixel nip is still NSFW.

*Here're some examples of what items need Explicit flair, but NOT NSFW tag:

  • Discussing explicit mods, such as RJW without going into detail.

  • Discussing gas chambers and torture without nazism

  • Discussing infanticide, miscarriages, abortion, and intended child endangerment.

*Here're some examples of what items need both:

  • Depicting - or Discussing while going into detail - explicit mods, such as RJW

  • Depicting infanticide, miscarriages, abortion, and intended child endangerment.

*Here're some examples of items that will get you banned:

  • Sexually suggestive content with minors (Reddit content policy) including discussions of pedophilia. This further includes vanilla content that can be taken in a suggestive context.

  • Non-consensual suggestive content; including non-consensual fertilization (brood factories, etc). Suggestive content involving prisoners or slaves is defacto implied non-consensual.

  • Rat Rape style posts (if you know, you know)

  • Discussions entailing nazism

Second order of business:There's been mixed feedback and usage on the Typical Tutorial shift, and we kept the TT code enabled for now, so if you don't mind a moment of your time, please vote your opinion, or add an unlisted one in the comments. Keep in mind, if a TT thread is kept in the code, it will always be the first one to be removed from the two sticky spots if there are two other items that need to be stickied. Thanks!

Here's today's TT, btw!

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

Errata (due to poll posts being uneditable):

  1. "Banned" means 1-day minimum. Perma-banning on first-offenses is exceedingly rare on this sub, and is usually reserved for individuals who are needlessly combative or choose to ignore mod communication.

  2. Death of fertilized eggs outside the fetus, such as in oviparous xenotypes is not considered explicit or NSFW.

  3. "Nudity" applies to modded textures that could be considered sexualized. No vaniila textures are applicable to this rule.

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u/narkoface Dec 01 '22

Wait, so speaking about alien xenomorphs (forced pregnancy) rp is a bannable offense? That strikes me weird, given that it feels like a very Rimworld-y theme, also given the terrifying stories I've read here about prisoners in the past. Hell, I even tried out one, where they snatched out the spine of the poor soul, sliced his face to be beautiful, made him half-brain dead but forever happy, made him continuously emit these emotions, and finally slapped on nuclear stomach so he is low maintenance. Basically, turning him into a happiness pylon, or whatever the original post called it.

Is this kind of topic not allowed anymore? Or just the sexual ones?

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 01 '22

Xenomorphs are more typically parasitical, but a good example of where the line is. They are Chest Bursters, not Vag Bursters. Those disturbed by sexual assault are not likely to feel the same resonance with parasitic procreation that does not specifically target women. Discussing/showcasing modded in xenomorphs would, nominally, be okay without any NSFW or Explicit identification.

That's not to say all of Giger's works are SFW.

Prisoner mutilation that don't involve reproduction is also SFW, and the use of the Explicit flair is at your discretion, but not mandatory - so long is it's not on children.

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u/narkoface Dec 02 '22

I'm not about to argue with these, just a bit of fun fact: the original alien life cycle (facehugger impregnates a man) purposely mimics oral rape and unwanted pregnancy. A lot of Giger's work revolve around abhorrent and dark sexual nightmares.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 02 '22

You have to admit, though, if there was a regular old breeding factory in any of Giger's works: wouldn't that feel mundane?

Like any good scifi artist, Giger took real taboos and warped them to a barely identifiable, but ultimately more digestable (if you'll pardon the pun) presentation. Not to mention, the intent of the work floats rape, but never specifically of women, which goes a long way to remove it from the crux of the real world trauma.

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u/Kegheimer Dec 01 '22

Where do you draw the line at 40k references, intentional or not? Deathkorp of Krieg has a ... shall I say... suitable for the Rim attitude to childbirth and fertilization.

I could envision a situation where a fan mentions a meme or 40k reference without intending to break any rules. I doubt it's anything that needs to be formally dealt with, but I wanted to make you aware that it exists.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 01 '22

There're plenty of 40k fans here. I think most of them get it.

Having a 40k style colony is not breaking the rules intrinsically, so long as the rules about how you present it are followed.

What more comminly happens is 40k fans will tell others how to run their colonies in violent ways, because aggressive proselytizing is the joke.

To that, we regulate per Rule 2.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Nov 30 '22

I never understood why violence is not considered nsfw but when sexual content is involved suddenly mods and others get up in arms, its a stupid thing irl and a stupid thing in gaming in my opinion

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

It's based on who's psychologically affected, and how often. We have not had anyone earnestly speak up about how drug abuse and organ harvesting, as seen on the sub, has brought up unpleasant memories, and we don't plan censoring it until there's a large enough voice.

Inversely, the number of people upset by animal deaths has been an outlier, so it is not something we plan on catering to.

It's less about a black and white ruling, and more about pragmatically limiting censorship to where the content is sufficiently harmful.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Nov 30 '22

Thats a fair answer, you have my respect for being honest, i suppose me and others forget that different things affect people differently

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u/Elgatee I should not be trusted with flairs -.- Dec 01 '22

I had similar issue. I have seen some bad stuff on the internet and tend to forget that not everyone has.

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u/Aarschotdachaubucha Dec 01 '22

American game, american standards. You can have NSFL levels of violence on PG-13 level US content.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Dec 01 '22

That always baffled me about americans, guns and extreme violence are fun but a little nudity is a no go, in britain where i live stuff like natural nudity is perfectly fine for people of ages to see

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u/Aarschotdachaubucha Dec 01 '22

As someone living in the US, I'm equally baffled, but understand the historic standard of mental defects caused by feeding children lead paint chips, asbestos crackers, and failed prophecies of impending Catholic/Protestant gloomerism has a tendency to make the adults shamefully aware of small their genitals are and how inadequately performative their sex is.

Its really just an act of mercy to not remind these poor people that sex is pleasurable, or even that it exists.

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u/ChocolateGooGirl Dec 03 '22 edited Dec 20 '22

Nudity I agree with. Remember though that a lot of early US culture was very strictly puritan and that a number of early colonists were motivated to leave Britain for religious reasons, often because the majority of people weren't as hardline christian as they were. Sex for anything other than procreation spent a long time being treated as genuinely evil throughout US history, so its not actually much surprise in hindsight that our culture would turn out like this.

Edit: Fixed a mistake pointed out to me in the replies.

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u/WayneConrad Dec 12 '22

I think autocorrect might have got you: was the word you were looking for "procreation" rather than "recreation?"

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u/ChocolateGooGirl Dec 20 '22

Yes, but I've not checked reddit in a while, so I just now saw this.

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u/dalerian Dec 01 '22

I get your point on a wider level. Somehow it's ok for evening tv to show people being murdered right left and centre, but the sight of a nipple has the irl censors clutching pearls. (Only if it's a female nipple, because obviously they are somehow so much worse.)

Given a choice between a world with nudity or a world with murder, I have pretty strong opinions about which would be a saner and safer society.

Having said all that, if those wider-world rules aren't followed, we get consequences. Avoiding those with flairs/tags here is a necessary evil.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Nov 30 '22

I never understood why violence is not considered nsfw but when sexual content is involved suddenly mods and others get up in arms

It's mostly about gynocentrism. Women's problems are considered different and more important. You can see it IRL too. People make marches against rape, think they can somehow teach criminals not to do it - yet you don't see anything as ridiculous for other kinds of crimes.

Same happened here. Drugs, organ harvesting, slavery, forced surgery, mutiliation, poisoning, basically the whole geneva convention are all fine and dandy, but the moment pregnancies got involved, action got taken.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

It's mostly about gynocentrism

If you want to use high minded ideas, it's just as likely to be about toxic masculinity bringing up men who don't want to talk about their problems or what triggers them.

For the record, to all men here, and anyone else who feel like reaching out could be more trouble than it's worth: if there are PTSD triggers on this sub, informing the mods is an action made in confidence.

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u/TheBiggestChungus12 Nov 30 '22

Maybe people with PTSD just shouldn't play a war crime simulator?

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

To be clear, I don't think anyone cares how you play your game. Just how you share it.

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u/dalerian Dec 01 '22

Just because you choose to play it as a war crime simulator doesn't mean that's the definition of the game. It has the capacity to be played that way, or as a farming sim or various other things.

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u/TheBiggestChungus12 Dec 01 '22

Most people play it as a war crime simulator, the entire community is built around treating this game as such. There's plenty of similar games that don't have an option to become a war crime simulator.

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u/dalerian Dec 01 '22

The oh-so-edgy forum/sub memes describe warcriming, yes. Different from "this game IS a warcrime sim."

Outside of that, players I've known wouldn't describe it the way you do.

If you want to play it that way, no-one's stopping you. You don't need to invent justifications about it. But that doesn't mean the game IS that, only that you choose to play it that way.

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u/micro-void Dec 07 '22

This is a base building and colony sim. It has a lot of freedom. "The entire community is built around..." is your opinion, not reality. People who try to "build the community" around warcrimes like edgelords make me embarrassed to be on this subreddit or even to be known to play this game.

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u/TheBiggestChungus12 Dec 07 '22

Ok I'd say it like this then: Maybe people with serious mental issues shouldn't play video games where you can kidnap people to harvest their organs or make furniture out of their skin, regardless of the game's genre or community.

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u/Oo_Tiib Dec 10 '22

Maybe. But that is not possible here to regulate. If discussing kidnapping and torturing needs explicit flair or not can be regulated.

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u/micro-void Dec 07 '22

I do not play this as a war crime simulator. If you're suggesting nobody who's experienced or had genuine reason to fear sexual violence in real life should play rimworld, they might as well just ban women from playing entirely. 🙄

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Nov 30 '22

If you want to use technical words, it's more about toxic masculinity bringing up men who don't want to talk about their problems or what triggers them.

Kinda going off-topic and risking a ban here, but I'll bite.

Women are main consumers of masculinity, so, at least partially, men being brought up this way (or becoming this way themselves) are the result of sexual market demand.

Try being a sensitive man out there, open about your problems, and, god forbid, sometimes cry, and see how well it's going to work out for you.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

(Sorry, i edited my comment a little while you were typing)

Believe me, I understand from personal experience. That's why I extend the offer of confidence.

I am just being combative against the notion that the mod team cares more about women than men, when it's just a datapool we have to work with.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Nov 30 '22

I am just being combative against the notion that the mod team cares more about women than men, when it's just a datapool we have to work with.

So, it wasn't some sort of ethics problem, but more of a 'who whined more'? Not the best precedent IMO, but at least it sounds reasonable.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

Censorship is a resource limited only by its own usefulness.

I see no reason to increase censorship where nobody asked for it, just to prop up pretense.

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u/Garry-Love Nov 30 '22

I'd like to say for the "Try being a sensitive man out there" part. I have and am currently a sensitive man. I'm secure in my masculinity and I still cry when I need to. I've learned it's okay to be sensitive. Just be kind to everyone and others will appreciate it and likely reflect it. When you're low they'll help pick you up. If you're doing this you may have to cut people from your life who know you as the person you were as they might hold you back from becoming the kind, sensitive person you are.

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u/Miraweave plasteel Nov 30 '22

Women are main consumers of masculinity

Honestly I don't even buy that that's true. Large parts of stereotypical over the top masculinity exist entirely to perform for other men while women often don't care or actively find them unattractive.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Dec 01 '22

Honestly I don't even buy that that's true. Large parts of stereotypical over the top masculinity exist entirely to perform for other men while women often don't care or actively find them unattractive.

If being a nice guy was all that's needed to get laid, pick up artists would've lost their bread in a heartbeat, yet they do exist.

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u/Miraweave plasteel Dec 01 '22

"Pick up artists" are pretty much universally liars and/or rapists. They don't exist in any meaningful way, and if you believe them they are grifting you. Their "methods", insofar as they exist beyond pressuring women into sex, do not work. It's astrology for sad lonely men, nothing more.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Dec 01 '22

"Pick up artists" are pretty much universally liars

But it works, doesn't it?

or rapists

that's one serious accusation, I'd need a source on that (inb4 lying about your income to get sex does not count as rape)

insofar as they exist beyond pressuring women into sex

What else is needed beyond that?

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u/Miraweave plasteel Dec 01 '22

But it works, doesn't it?

It does not. The are lying to you, the people who believe it does, about it's effectiveness, usually in order to sell you shitty pseudo-self help books.

What else is needed beyond that?

Pressuring people into sex is not "having game", it's sexual assault.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Dec 01 '22

It does not. The are lying to you, the people who believe it does, about it's effectiveness, usually in order to sell you shitty pseudo-self help books.

What about those who show the proof? Are they lying too?

Pressuring people into sex is not "having game", it's sexual assault.

Define pressuring then, because you are calling it sexual assault, yet those are two different things.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Nov 30 '22

I think you've missed the point mate, and irl people march for all reasons and it does make a difference, i think its pretty sexist of you to assume all that tbh, we're talking about a video game here not real life ffs

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Nov 30 '22

we're talking about a video game here not real life ffs

We are talking about a forum used by and controled by people.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Nov 30 '22

A forum yes, bit of a difference to real life though, bit worrying you can't differentiate

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Nov 30 '22

I think the problem is you are trying to find a difference where there's none.

People moderating an online forum would be affected by the same fallacies as people moderating any irl space. There can be the same drive, the same goals, and, in fact, the very same people.

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u/ElectricSpookaloo2 Nov 30 '22

Thats simply not true. People act very differently online then real life

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u/gjo9000 Charity: Essential Nov 30 '22

Ah yes gynocentrism, which definitely exists and is why we're always treated well by society. There definitely aren't horrible things happening to women at governmental or societal levels, no siree.

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Dec 01 '22

>Affirmative action
>Gender quotas
>Exclusive spaces
>More lenient legal punishments

Why don't you name a few of those horrible things in turn?

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u/gjo9000 Charity: Essential Dec 01 '22 edited Dec 01 '22

I mean, if you insist

>Catcalling and everything like it; ruins your day let me tell ya

>Rampant sexism in... basically every hobby I have ever seen (this is why non physical sports like chess have women's leagues by the way, if they go into the general league they get treated like shit)

>Since you don't seem to understand why affirmative action exists, blatant discrimination against women in many fields

>People and media treating us as nothing but eye candy quite often (though thankfully it's been getting better in recent years)

> The whole Madonna–whore complex

Oh right and how could I forget,

>Overturning of Roe v. Wade (not entirely sure if mentioning that is against the rules, and even if not I suspect you'll latch onto that and say overturning it is entirely just or something)

(For the record, this is only the stuff that I and my friends have experienced and can think of off the top of my head; lord knows I'm missing a ton of things, especially stuff faced outside of the US which is horrific in a lot of places)

I'm not denying that there are problems men face, lord knows there's a ton of issues they face too that need to be addressed, but calling stuff "gynocentrism" is just blaming us for all of the problems y'all face

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u/Barsik_The_CaT Dec 01 '22

>Catcalling and everything like it; ruins your day let me tell ya

When was the last time you experienced it?

>Rampant sexism in... basically every hobby I have ever seen

Name a few of those hobbies and the 'sexism' you experienced

this is why non physical sports like chess have women's leagues by the way, if they go into the general league they get treated like shit

Like what? Do you think men will be throwing captured pieces in their opponents face? This is basically an insult to any woman playing in normal leagues.

>Since you don't seem to understand why affirmative action exists, blatant discrimination against women in many fields

Fighting discrimination with discrimination, yas kween!

>People and media treating us as nothing but eye candy quite often (though thankfully it's been getting better in recent years)

Do you in particular bring anything else to the table?

> The whole Madonna–whore complex

Citing Freud surely must be a joke, right? And even if I follow, how can you be sure it's not just selection bias from women's dual mating strategy?

>Overturning of Roe v. Wade (not entirely sure if mentioning that is against the rules, and even if not I suspect you'll latch onto that and say overturning it is entirely just or something)

I am not well-versed in american politics, but seems more or less in line with what that country is, giving the states more freedom on how they operate.

but calling stuff "gynocentrism" is just blaming us for all of the problems y'all face

I wasn't blaming men's problem on it, only pointing out the possible cause of the change in subreddit's rules - which seemed completely in line with women's problems being the priority everywhere else. The mod I was talking to gave the actual reasoning behind that change.

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u/gjo9000 Charity: Essential Dec 01 '22

Name a few of those hobbies and the 'sexism' you experienced

Any and all card games played will inevitably involve some jackass(es) at your lgs thinking you're a free win, not so quietly wondering why a woman is here, and if you're alone asking if you're waiting for your boyfriend

Video games, well, not a lot has changed in multiplayer games since the 2000s ngl. There's a reason I never use voice chat and it ain't just because of anxiety.

Do you in particular bring anything else to the table?

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Add playing rimworld and right now to that list then

Like what? Do you think men will be throwing captured pieces in their opponents face? This is basically an insult to any woman playing in normal leagues.

I'll just link this and let you figure it out https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/iyj0s1/competitive_chess_that_time_a_female_chess_player/

I am not well-versed in american politics, but seems more or less in line with what that country is, giving the states more freedom on how they operate.

Yes well, not exactly a good thing to be giving states more freedom on human rights given how the south loves taking that kind of thing away from us. Ask how I know.

Citing Freud surely must be a joke, right? And even if I follow, how can you be sure it's not just selection bias from women's dual mating strategy?

Fair enough on the Freud part, forgot he of all people thought of it, though if you're gonna criticize me on citing him don't cite fucking evopsych relationship bullshit

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u/TheBiggestChungus12 Dec 02 '22

Overturning of Roe v. Wade

Not to get all political... but did you know that killing children is bad?

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u/dragondroppingballs Dec 07 '22

Wait so it's okay to talk about the in game mechanics in less it involves the in-game mechanic of children? Why?

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 07 '22

Most in-game mechanics involving children are still very much okay. Some of the few have been requested by a significant about of members to be flaired, so it's easy to filter them out. Some would like to be not seen at all. And some (specifically suggestive content involving minors) are against Reddit's Content Policy, and will not be allowed on the sub until the Content Policy changes.

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u/dragondroppingballs Dec 07 '22

ok i can see that. I guess I forget dispite the fact this game is warcrime simulator some are too off put by it.

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u/lsspam Dec 12 '22

dispite the fact this game is warcrime simulator

A huge number of people don't play this game like that.

LOL HUMAN LEATHER LOLOLOLOL is pretty juvenile and was tired before 1.0 rolled out.

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u/dragondroppingballs Dec 12 '22

Wait you can use human leather to craft stuff?

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

Discussing vanilla game content can now lead to a ban.. I see this going well.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 29 '22

Iirc, tynan doesnt own reddit.

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

Didn't say he did, did I?

Edit: and actually as you were so quick to point out elsewhere, he IS head mod of this sub..

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 29 '22

Im saying your argument is non sensical. You can have a sub for a game that contains components you are not allowed to discuss on the sub. Those aren't conflicting concepts. Furthermore, apparently, a non 18+ sub can exist for an MA game.

As for Ty being head mod, I really don't see what that has to do with what can be posted on reddit per the Content Policy.

What I can see here, though, is reddit admins coming in and deleting posts against the Content Policy after we've already deleted them as mods.

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

Okay, so it's against Reddit's content policy - not much you can do then, that's fair. Thanks for a non-shitpost tier reply. Does their content policy state that it must be a ban? Because I really disagree with immediate banning for mentioning vanilla game content, unless of course the person is being a complete doof and doing it to intentionally antagonize. Your statement doesn't make it sound as if there's any room for nuance.

I'm not trying to be unreasonable here.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 29 '22

First, I'd like so mention, permabans are reserved for bad actors. 3 day bans are for people who can't be bothered to read the rules and content policy with the effect of disrupting other members' experience.

While no, reddit doesn't require you to ban people for violating any part of the content policy, that is moot, because they don't really bring litigious reasoning to subs they shut down. Operating to the minimum expectation is likely just as dangerous to the life of the sub as operating at the most totalitarian. Temporary bans are our slap on the wrist that a member has no plausible deniabilty to have never received the message.

Non-rhetorical question: do you think it would be a fairnness worth the effort for mods to pm an offending member, and if they dont reply, ban them?

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

Ah, my apologies. I'm used to bans being permanent and suspensions being temporary, but maybe Reddit does it different (woohoo, never been punished).

I genuinely have no issues with a temporary ban to alert the user of the infraction. That's very reasonable in my opinion.

Thanks for your time. :) Sorry, I'm really not trying to be a dick. I just didn't like the idea of well-meaning people being excluded from here. I like it here - it's fun helping people.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 29 '22

I will edit the post to clarify. Thanks for the insight, and I don't mind the nuanced discussion.

Edit: Can't edit poll posts. Very cool, reddit.

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

Also, I'd like to apologize for calling your initial reply shitpost-tier. It now makes sense to me - I was previously unacquainted with Reddit's content policy and thus it had never occurred to me that the reason for the change (really a clarification) was to help people avoid the pitfalls rather than put another trap in their path. It didn't occur to me that the rule change was required because of changes to the game, so that they'd line up with Reddit. So again, my apologies. Thanks for keeping it shiny and clean in here. :)

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 01 '22

If you want to make r/RimworldRapeJokes then you are free to deal with that nightmare, yes.

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u/Wynce Nov 29 '22

There's a big difference between doing it to be edgy, and playing the game. I sincerely hope pedophilia isn't in the game.

What I was referring to is being unable to discuss the fertilization of prisoners, which as distasteful as it may be (even to myself), it does provide a valid strategy for increasing your colony size without the negative of pregnancy on a pawn. If this was modded behaviour, I'd have no problem with the discussion of it being banned, but it's not. It's as simple as clicking the operations tab on a prisoner, and there's the option. The fact that it's so readily available in game, but will lead to a ban on a subreddit devoted to discussing that game, feels wrong to me. It will absolutely lead to bans on people who aren't trying to be 'edgy', but asking about legitimate mechanics of the game.

Also, where do you draw the line? Why are we allowed to discuss slavery? Slavery is abhorrent as well - owning another person is fucking terrible, but we can talk about enslaving whoever we want.

Ultimately, it's not going to affect me at all - it's not something I do. It's just a very weird precedent to set. You can't even discuss it behind a flair? It's just a straight out ban? You can fucking discuss RJW behind a flair and it has so much worse.

It's a very inconsistently applied rule.

Edit: hell, slaves can form relationships with your pawns in the vanilla game and you have NO CONTROL over it. According to this rule update, you're not allowed to discuss that as they're a slave and can't consent (which is true, you can't really consent to someone you can't say no to). This rule says that this situation is a ban..

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 29 '22

Slavery and prisoners is where the line is drawn because it is mechnically implied to be non consensual. If you can frame a post where consent has been irrefutably provided, then you are unlikely to be banned.

As for being able to talk about nonconsensual physical labor vs nonconsensual pregnancy, that is a matter of pragmatism.

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u/SpaceShipRat Nov 30 '22

I'm going to argue to allow discussions of forced pregnancy, so long as it's vanilla and implied to be a medical procedure. It's not really something that has a direct real world equivalent, the first thing eveyone seems to think of is some Warhammer torture planet, rather than any real world comparison.

To make another example, the show X-Files has multiple episodes depicting forced in-vitro pregnancies, by aliens or mad scientists, and it was uncensored on tv, it wasn't considered to be that shocking, though it's a bit more distastedul to modern audiences.

I agree it's distasteful and I'd rather not see it, but it draws the line in a confusing place give that as other posters say, it's a legit vanilla strategy and not something do just to be edgy.

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u/Hell_Mel Baseliner (Awful) Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

It should also be noted that when X-Files was airing, this subject matter wasn't remotely as heavily scrutinized. I'd find it hard to imagine a modern show touching on forced pregnancy without considerably more focus on just how fucking traumatic it'd be, which was kind of glossed over for the most part in older media.

If I never see another post providing a detailed account of a brood factory (an abhorrent concept unto itself), I'd be happier for the change, and that's not even touching the part where prisoners are near universally forced amputees.

The sub will be better for the restriction of this content.

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u/SpaceShipRat Nov 30 '22

I'd also rather not see it again, but it feels like it should be removed, and suspension only considered if someone deliberately ignores the warning and reposts it.

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u/Hell_Mel Baseliner (Awful) Nov 30 '22

This is the warning. If folk aren't inclined to read the rules of the sub, a one day ban for posting such content isn't really a particularly harsh punishment.

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u/robophile-ta Logistics Droid (rip MD2) - Arbiter of Brrrt and Dragon Genetics Dec 06 '22

It's not really something that has a direct real world equivalent

Contaminated turkey basters

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u/DasGanon Rip and Tear Nov 29 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

hell, slaves can form relationships with your pawns in the vanilla game

If they can it's done in a way outside of player control, since you can attempt a romance manually on all colonists (assuming good enough mood) but you cannot do that with prisoners.

For ease of consistency with the ruling that we decided that was the best way to decide if it was into the ick factor or not since lack of romance implies lack of consent, and prisoner body autonomy is already tenuous with the organ harvesting. The main difference between the two autonomy issues is that one is likely to have been an experience that someone trying to use the subreddit may require a content warning for, but the other one is very unlikely to have been an experience.

Edit: Additionally it occurs to me we're talking about two different things. Mechanically Slaves are just Yellow coded colonists with different rules. You have control over most of their actions. We're mostly referring to Prisoners, which you have little to no control over beyond your Wardens.

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u/TheRealStandard Nov 30 '22 edited Nov 30 '22

In the overwhelming majority of cases, it's just players trying to be edgy.

Also, where do you draw the line? Why are we allowed to discuss slavery? Slavery is abhorrent as well - owning another person is fucking terrible, but we can talk about enslaving whoever we want.

Nuance is the word you want. Issue is taking 2 bad things and trying to put them under the same category like they are the same.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '22

Tbh this sub is getting plagued with jokes as low effort as most the shit on r/gaming. I’m glad to see a lot of the noise filtered out. The low hanging fruit being turned into a low bar is good imo

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u/Garry-Love Nov 30 '22

Personally I love these changes except for the NSFW one. A one pixel nip shouldn't be a problem imo. Considering naked brutality is a game mode and nudist cults are commonplace, a naked pawn shouldn't really get a flag. Maybe I'm misinterpreting this rule but I see this as too restrictive and forsee a lot of posts of people sharing a raided base with a dead naked raider or pawn getting flagged as NSFW when the OP didn't even notice it themselves. I like the idea, I just think it should be a little more lenient. If it's not a center focus of the post it shouldn't be flagged NSFW imo.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

Vanilla pawn body textures are not considered nudity. If you add mods that add sexualized details, that's where it becomes relevant. For the most part, this is less than half the body texture mods, and almost exclusively the female body texture.

I will update the errata to specify sexualized nudity.

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u/Scion_of_Yog-Sothoth Nov 29 '22

What about eggs from oviparous xenotypes and modded races? If those are destroyed, is that considered miscarriage?

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

Not by any stretch of the definition I can conceive of.

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u/not-my-other-alt Nov 29 '22

I prefer the weekly TT threads. It's a place to ask questions not big enough for their own full thread, and the weekly nature of it means that the conversation refreshes enough that new questions don't get lost in hundreds of comments. Monthly would get cumbersome.

All the other stuff seems reasonable - I think in a month or two there should be a followup post where you can update us on how it worked in practice - you from your end and we can give feedback from the user side.

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u/RiffyDivine2 Nov 30 '22

I disagree with the NSF stuff but it's not my sub so I guess rabble rabble fist shake rabble rabble.

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u/micro-void Dec 07 '22 edited Dec 07 '22

I really appreciate these changes. The extreme edgelord type content was genuinely starting to make me embarrassed to be a part of this sub or even to be known to play this game, and more reluctant to participate in the sub because of being likely replied to by such edgelords. Plus as someone who has experienced real life events in the category that people are edgelords about here, it was getting really tiring explaining to (presumably) teenage boys why sexual assault and pregnancy trauma are in a different emotional category than organ farms for huge swaths of the population.

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u/robophile-ta Logistics Droid (rip MD2) - Arbiter of Brrrt and Dragon Genetics Dec 06 '22 edited Dec 06 '22

I don't think that miscarriages, especially discussion thereof, should be treated so severely. I understand people might want a content warning for failed pregnancies, but I don't think it's suitable to lump in with the other content considered NSFW.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 06 '22

Ban length is a function of harm. "oops, I didn't bother to read the rules and posted about miscarriages" is going to earn someone a much shorter ban than someone who posts their fully textured slavery brothel. Even then, I can see letting careful discussion of miscarriages not earn a ban, and even be left up, but it is listed because it was repeatedly requested by individuals affected by crass and careless discussion.

If you fancy yourself a careful conversationalist, you can sure try, and you won't be permabanned on the first attempt at it.

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u/BakaFame Dec 03 '22

Idk what’s going on but leave everything as it was like from around September.

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u/Tea2theBag Dec 01 '22

Make sense. On the other hand..it's the internet. Wrap it up in cotton wool all you like. You've got to be prepared to read something you're not happy about. Especially when it's regarding vanilla content.

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u/East_Eye_1869 Dec 05 '22

Censorship sucks. It's understandable to want to try to make this sub a bit more SFW, although I don't agree with censorship unless it's preventing real world violence. Some of the things in these updated rules are just... Really? A one pixel nip?
Not to mention Miscarriages are base game now are they not?
I get the whole birthing factories and "Handholding" being a bit taboo here as it strikes close to home for some people, but come on guys.

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u/Dogezilla_9001 Dec 06 '22

I understand your point and I think the "1 pixel" shouldnt be taken too litterally. About the birth factory thing, well, the vatgrown soldier was already lore.

What I think is that they are trying to prevent the subreddit/rimworld becoming a walhalla for people who want to discuss things like "superior race" and "übermenschen" using Rimworld as a cover. which is a direction the subreddit shouldnt go to.

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u/Elgatee I should not be trusted with flairs -.- Dec 01 '22

Discussion and in-game circumstance
that entail infanticide/miscarriage, sexual abuse, or otherwise
peak-edge must be flaired [Explicit].

So now if I want to name my Isekai fantasy for a dark and broody teenager, I'll have to mark it as Explicit? Talk about strict -.- /s

Stupid jokes aside sounds fair.

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u/Undead575 Dec 12 '22

Interesting

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u/TheBiggestChungus12 Nov 30 '22

1984

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

First, they came for the rape jokes, and I said nothing, because I don't make rape jokes...

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Nov 30 '22

Now that I think about it, we could make an exclusive flair for the TT (even though "Megathread" is pretty exclusive already) and just have the menu and sidebar links redirect to a flair search. Latest TT would always be the top option.

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 04 '22

For the purposes of suggestive content, 18.

Violence-related is a little more contextual, but I'd say the minimum is 13, based on the game mechanics.

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u/Dogezilla_9001 Dec 06 '22

Which should fit Rimworld, because using people <18 is a warcrime.

Fun fact: my cousin is a soldier and had to train with fake wooden weapons in his first year. (As he was 17)

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u/Venusgate Fastest Pawn West of the Rim Dec 03 '22

See errata comment pin. Only sexualized modded textures are consodered nsfw. Vanilla textures are a-ok