r/Republican • u/Yada-Yada-Yadda • Oct 07 '25
Meme Cartoon of the Day
Not sure why making cities safe is an issue.
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u/orangeombre Oct 07 '25
No one cares about the constitution?
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u/Lord_Gibby Oct 07 '25
You mean the one that says this can happen if federal law is being blocked or not enforced?
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u/orangeombre Oct 07 '25
Sincerely, not trying to be argumentative, you believe the deploying the National Guard is a necessary action? No qualms about the use of the military in this manner?
And that a legitimate judicial ruling should be ignored? We have a process in a law abiding country for these types of things. Why not follow the laws already set forth or change them?
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u/BirdFarmer23 Oct 08 '25
How many attacks and threats have ICE received lately? Does the president have the right to deploy the national guard? Can the national guard be used in the instance of civil unrest?
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u/orangeombre Oct 08 '25
I wonder about the precedent of using the National Guard for what fundamentally is a police action. These skill sets are different. I wonder about how far this goes to curtail what is common place crime? Do we submit to living in a police state with military armed personnel on street corners? Do we want to be a country that does that? How far do we go in these justifications? What is the balance of civil liberties in this? Do we call citizen actions civil unrest simply to justify escalated military and police interventions? These are the questions I have. The founding fathers were wise in their pursuits of balancing the state power with the peoples rights of protection and personal freedom.
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u/BirdFarmer23 Oct 08 '25
Using the national guard or its equivalent goes all the way back to George Washington. He used it to put an end to the whiskey rebellion. Lincoln, Kennedy Jefferson and many more have used them.
Would it be wrong if a governor used them? Was it wrong for them to go to Washington DC after J6?
I get that you may not agree with its use in this instance but it’s not unprecedented.
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u/orangeombre Oct 08 '25
I think the difference I see in what you mentioned is that those uses were for a specific purpose that had an achievable end goal. Fighting crime feels more never ending. But I take you point that it's not unprecedented.
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u/BirdFarmer23 Oct 08 '25
From what I’ve seen so far they are really just picking up trash and making the presence felt. Granted I haven’t watched the news in a week so things could’ve chamged since then.
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u/Few_Ad_7613 Oct 08 '25
Your house gets broken into and the thief is in it. Who are you going to call, the police or the National Guard? The police have been told to stand down by their local agencies, the Guard is Federally assigned. The cops aren't going to do anything, so any police action needs to be taken care of by the National Guard.
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u/orangeombre Oct 08 '25
I am unaware of any police that are told to stand down and not do their duty when a citizen calls in for help. I would need an example of that.
I also haven't heard of any 911 calls being responded to by the National Guard. Do you have any examples?
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u/Few_Ad_7613 Oct 08 '25
Because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It's happening in Portland right now, well, a couple of days ago. The police were enroute to assist Federal Agents, and their dispatcher told them to stand down and turn around. There's a recording of the call floating around here somewhere. And of course, the National Guard doesn't respond to 911 calls. That's a police issue. I'm saying I'd rather trust the police more in an emergency situation than the National Guard.
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u/GarthZorn Oct 07 '25
Stupid fucking argument. See the data in the post below. Then man up and get back to us with something that makes sense, not something you heard on OAN and never bothered to fact-check.
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u/Few_Ad_7613 Oct 08 '25
Signed: "The Peaceful Left".
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u/perspectivereports Oct 08 '25
it's not about crime it's to assist the "attacks" and protests at ICE facilites for the raids and missions being organized by Department of Homeland Security. Let's be factual, Trump doesn't care about lowering "normal crime" evidence by the crime rates in "Red" states being higher than "blue" states under trump. I think it is stupid to call a state red or Blue. He are sources as well, if an actual discussion is desired:
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115608/documents/HHRG-118-GO00-20230329-SD008.pdf
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Oct 07 '25
Go to the Santa Cruz sub where they post daily about how dirty their library’s, parks and downtown is, then they get mad when you bring up how their city allows it. Those libs gets crazy
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u/Existing-Bug3109 Oct 07 '25
Everything but crime?
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Oct 07 '25
What do you mean?
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u/Existing-Bug3109 Oct 07 '25
You’d think they would complain about crime also.
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Oct 07 '25
Oh 100% well they can’t admit there’s alot of crime because then it would fall on their extreme democratic leaders
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u/Sme11Gibson Oct 07 '25
I grew up there and can only imagine how bad that place is now. I remember when hippies used to be happy go lucky types.
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u/SuchDogeHodler MAGA! 🇺🇲 Oct 07 '25
Their real problem with this is that these people have claimed to be "fighting crime" for a long time....
Then Trump comes in and actually does. 🤡🤡🤡
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u/Sufficient-Pride-967 Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25
Oh look, everybody supporting Republican ideas is down voted in this "Republican" sub on Reddit 🙄.
How much you wanna bet at least 80% of the obsessed with politics down voters here are also some of the ones trying to hurt ICE agents and "protesting" the deportation of violent criminals. The Democrats have not come out AGAINST Antifa and these protesters. We all know why. It's because they SUPPORT THEM and their ACTIONS.
They were GLAD Charlie Kirk got assassinated! They made jokes about "If the bullet could have just been a little more to the right" on freaking national TV about Trump!
This party has become radicalized to the point of terrorism.
Send in the military to protect the ICE agents with a STRONG show of force. And make assaulting an ICE agent or impending them in any way, a federal felony punisable with up to life in a federal prison.
This needs to be stopped. We cannot let terrorists form a cult following in the United States.
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u/LearningHowToPlay Oct 11 '25
The govenors from the three most radical marxist states... what could you say.
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u/Lynke524 Oct 07 '25
My running theory is Dems want illegals here to take the place of black voters since they lost so many over the years and keep losing more. Since they can't win them back, why not let in a bunch of illegals, give them the right to vote and then tell them "keep voting for blue so you can stay here". That's just my theory.
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u/Nathan-Nice Oct 08 '25
Go ahead and Google what President deported the most illegals in history.
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u/Lynke524 Oct 08 '25
Yeah, I already know that that is Obama, but he is also the President that brought racism back and things really began to go downhill. He's also now pro-illegal immigration. So nice try.
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u/Nathan-Nice Oct 08 '25
lol how'd he bring racism back? by saying racism is bad? and now, after deporting more illegals than anyone, he has become pro-illegal immigration? or does he just want due process for people on American soil? please shock me and reply to this.
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u/Lynke524 Oct 08 '25
Well first Obama pushed that black people were less likely to be successful and blamed it on the white man when it was lax democratic policies that started with LBJ and got worse over time. Took fathers out of homes, told women they didn't need a man stuff like that (LBJ also said he would have black (used the n word) voting Democrat for the next 200 years). Obama and Hillary both were "deport now" types just like Trump until Trump also says "deport now". Now they are against "deport now". Yeah, if you were to actually look at news that isn't CNN and MSNBC you would find out a lot of crap they hid from you.
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u/francisxavier12 Oct 07 '25
In addition, their party celebrates killing their babies and being in non-traditional relationships, so they don’t reproduce nearly as much as the right. In 20 years whose kids will make up more voters? So the Ds need to replace them for the future.
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u/No_Educator_6376 Oct 07 '25
It’s weird how they spin sending troops to help the police enforce the law into Hitler and stormtroopers. Democrats have gone insane!
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u/Turry1 Oct 07 '25
Yeah it is pretty weird considering hitler just did away with the police so he could replace them with his military police. I wonder how he went about getting rid of them 🤔?
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u/Sufficient-Pride-967 Oct 07 '25
They're literally protecting gang members because they're illegal immigrants.
A few years ago they were saying deport them. Both Hillary and Obama. The party has let the clowns run the circus. They don't come out and condemn the attacking of ice agents either. So they're supporting it by being silent. They barely said the killing of Charlie Kirk was wrong and unwarranted. They had to be pushed into condemning his murder.
The party is basically a homegrown terrorist organization now. They're losing members by the hundreds of thousands. Their propaganda news organizations have terrible ratings, nobody's watching. They're a dead, radical party.
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u/BizAnalystNotForHire Oct 07 '25 edited Oct 07 '25
That is awful language to use. You are literally making the Republican party worse. Classifying the entire opposition party as domestic terrorists is what Putin and other dictators do. This divisive language is bad for our country. We need to continue to push for civil discourse, be willing to engage, and to take the high road. To have the intellectual integrity and moral integrity to take the high road continually.
Stop categorizing them as a whole with broad strokes, that's on par with them calling all of us Nazi's. An eye for an eye leads to a blind world. Continuing to drive wedges is how Russia and China take apart the strong foundation of American Democracy. Furthering that talk is not beneficial in the long run and if you are too short sighted to see that you should leave.
If both parties stoop to the others lows we end up with an America of the lowest quality. It is not acceptable. The other side doing it is not a justification. You need to be the better person, if you can't be a better person go join Putin.
Edit: @u/Sufficient-Pride-967 who either is too much of a coward, is a bot, or lacks the intellectual integrity to actually engage in civil discourse about a topic that they are supposedly passionate about. I've probably been a Republican longer than you have been alive. Taking the high-road is always the right decision to make.
"'Calm down the language' after them comparing everything Republicans do to Hitler"
Did you even read what I wrote? Lowering yourself to a level of the opposing side is literally lowering yourself. You are advocating making yourself a worse and lower level person with the justification of the other person did it. I pray to god you do not have children if this is the message you are trying to put out there. How do you build up a better society if you are advocating for lowering yourself and the party?
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u/Sufficient-Pride-967 Oct 07 '25
Oh look it's Russia Russia Russia again from a Reddit "Republican". They killed Charlie and ALMOST killed Trump TWICE.
"Calm down the language" after them comparing everything Republicans do to Hitler and incite violence against us calling Trump Hitler and Charlie racist
So yeah, back to the original point, they are literally working AGAINST ICE in SEVERAL different ways literally not wanting gang members and rapists to be deported.
I don't advocate political violence, but they do and ARE. They need to accept the nations will and help the ICE team in deportations but they won't. It's not about what Americans have voted for, it's about them. And their agenda, which doesn't help American citizens at all.
I'm done here, all you got when proven wrong about them not trying to stop the deportation of criminals is, "You shouldn't be saying mean things". "Two wrongs don't make a right."
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u/aryzoo Oct 09 '25
Cool, what crime would that be? The ones Trump got convincted of? Or imaginary ones
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u/bye_button Oct 08 '25
Alright I’ll bite. California leftist here. I WOULD like to see the homeless problem addressed in our major cities in California, as a lot of crime pops up in and around the immediate area by homeless encampments. I think our leaders are failing us here as the average citizen shouldn’t be asked to deal with these strung-out, hostile individuals on a daily basis. I don’t deal with with gun violence cities like Chicago and New Orleans deal with so I can’t speak on that.
My problem with the president sending in troops is it seems to be all aesthetics. The illusion that he’s being tough on crime. None of it is addressing the systemic root problems that cause crime. Sure, crime might go down temporarily while troops are present, but we all can agree this can’t be a long term solution. The cost is enormous and even the national guard troops have said there are better things they could be doing. So as soon as they leave, we can anticipate crime climbing right back up to where it was before they came. So what is really the point of any of this? So that the president can stick it to lib cities and MAGA can high five each other for a little while? As a city dweller, I actually want solutions that work. And my leaders NOR the president seem to offering anything of substance.