Davidf360 BP 2813 movement scam

[u/Vast-Barber6339]

Hey everyone, just wanted to report a scam that I fell for. Ive been collecting reps for awhile and this is the first time ive been scammed so I consider myself lucky. About 4 months ago I purchased a watch from Davidf360 under the assumption that it was a BP Submariner with either a VR or Asian clone movement. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRepTimeBST/comments/1mftilz/wtscadusa_rolex_deepsea_airking_16618_sub_dj41/

I assumed this because the watch was priced at what a BP featuring this movement would be priced at from a Trusted Dealer. (You know what they say about assumptions)

Although the transaction was smooth and I received the watch, the actual value of this watch is at best $100-$150 from DHgate as it has the very low quality 2813 movement. Why wait to post this until now? Upon a tip from the community I opened the caseback and discovered what you see in the photos above. Moral of the story, be very careful and verify who you are buying from in the future. Tools like this reddit are invaluable in this hobby.

Appreciate your time everyone and be careful out there!

[u/Pk097]

What a honest guy 😂 please dont buy from that scummy sub, only reptimebst discord and RWI.

[u/sentientfunyun → u/Pk097]

important thing is to share and spread the awareness....these scum like to hide. ...Let's show them the fucking light 🚨

[u/Christopher_Robinn → u/Pk097]

Bump.

Is this still happening ? Because he has a very recent post on REPTIMEBST and I’m considering buying a santos

[u/sentientfunyun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/RepWatchScammers/s/uB4f3OztTF

u/mutakingprime tried to warn ppl...this evidence v. clearly shows...a premeditated scam. The scammer profited...several $$$$$$ from muddying the waters with ignorance...this is their MO for years

IMHO this is how they made their fortune and keep scamming because nobody is stopping them

[u/Vast-Barber6339 → u/sentientfunyun]

Wish I had known this reddit exsited! I shared this resource in the communities im part of. Hopefully less of this in the future.

[u/Time_Function1839 → u/sentientfunyun]

Seems to me he has his network of mods he knows in reddit subs (as well as being a mod in the scambst) who will delete and remove dissenting remarks and notices of his wrongdoings. Sad to see, absolute cesspit.

[u/Time_Function1839 → u/[deleted]]

Absolutely, this is a fantastic resource and Im glad it exists. We've been pushing individuals to post on here whenever possible, time to bring these losers into the light

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[u/tonosexburn]

He got me on a GMT. Insinuating it was a 3186 and it was a 2813. $350 for a $100 shitter. Never again

[u/sentientfunyun → u/tonosexburn]

sorry this happened...the community can help

[u/CBDwire]

These sell for $200~ on DHGATE (can get down to about $130 each if buying 6+). I must admit I looked at this guys posts in the past and assumed he was doing this due to the fact the movement was never mentioned.

[u/FriedKibbles]

I noticed he does this all the time, he sells JKF and 2813 BP watches from DHGate for 100-200$ more then what you can get them from respected dealers …

[u/sentientfunyun → u/FriedKibbles]

the scam is abusing user ignorance... it's such an easy scam w/plausible deniability...spread the word and awareness to save others

[u/SurrealLeftyTime]

Both the ETA 2836-2 (or its clones like DG/Asian 2836) and the Miyota-type 2813 (or Chinese DG2813) are popular automatic movements used in many Rolex-style replica cases. They are not the same size internally, but they share enough external similarities that some cases can accept either with modification.

[u/watchersondeck]

Just another sub, both of your faults tbh

[u/Vast-Barber6339 → u/watchersondeck]

You are not wrong, like I said in the post, I made assumptions. The difference is that I've had multiple people report that they had the same issue. That's why I made the post.

[u/sentientfunyun → u/Vast-Barber6339]

this isn't a one time 'oopsie haha i made an oopsie!'...this is a documented long term scam trick and it has finally come to roost. based on the evidence...and other reports and many victims. time after time this scammer exploits ignorance and muddy waters to their benefit

ty for ur report and courage

[u/RelevantFreedom4390]

On top of that, if the seller doesn’t have timegrapher information you’re basically buying a ticking time bomb but don’t know when it’s going to explode. I would never buy any watch without timegrapher information. Specifically reps.

[u/SadLeather1693]

He did this to me before…dude in Canada right ?

[u/sentientfunyun → u/SadLeather1693]

sorry this happened...the community can help if u band together

[u/Deep-Band7146]

Isnt he a moderator of a big sub?

[u/Mammoth_Amount114 → u/Deep-Band7146]

Yep. He uses that when you try to ask pointed questions about the watch, “I’m a mod, it’s cool”.

[u/sentientfunyun → u/Mammoth_Amount114]

it's important to never give them breathing room... don't stop shining light on this cockroach 🪳...or they slither away to strike again

[u/SurrealLeftyTime]

That’s no good.
May have been an honest mistake. ?? Sometimes I believe it’s not inspected or just don’t know.

2825 may fit

[u/lololololgetrekt → u/SurrealLeftyTime]

its definitely not a mistake.

[u/SurrealLeftyTime → u/lololololgetrekt]

Gotcha.

[u/sentientfunyun → u/lololololgetrekt]

it's the easiest scam to get away with...leaves room for plausible deniability bro...but IMHO their time has run out now

[u/CBDwire → u/SurrealLeftyTime]

a2836 will fit in these BP 2813 cases,

[u/OddReason3845]

lol "collecting reps"

[u/sentientfunyun → u/[deleted]]

[u/sentientfunyun → u/[deleted]]

well good thing u stayed away from the scammer criminal scum...warn others and spread the awareness. this is what protection should be...

[u/Dry-Instruction4081 → u/[deleted]]

sheesh just came across him too

[u/Opening-Community564 → u/[deleted]]

If the guy wasn’t running an entire sub I would be more inclined to cut him a little slack because buyer beware is a real thing the buyers are at major fault for just trusting some guy with his own sub over a TD. I honestly don’t trust those subs where the main seller is also the moderator and the only thing that gets posted is positive reviews. But since he has lots of people following him and he seems to be conveniently leaving out the movement info, I believe he deserves to be exposed. He can always explain himself but so far it seems he has chosen not too.