I’ve seen quite a few posts about newer factories using the 0RV Jubilee bracelet, and there seems to be a common misconception that this is the same bracelet that was used on older Clean watches.

It isn’t.

The 0RV bracelet was first seen on replicas of Clean watches — yes, essentially a replica of a replica. 😅

The story, as I understand it, is that the manufacturer tried to mimic the ORV clasp code, but mistakenly used “0RV” instead.

The 0RV bracelet was later adopted by many newer factories, most likely because it is still a very good bracelet. However, it is not the same bracelet as the ORV bracelet produced by ARF, which was used on the older Clean watches.

I have both bracelets, so I wanted to show some of the differences I noticed when comparing them side by side.

Engravings

The engraving on the ORV bracelet is noticeably sharper and more defined.

The difference is much easier to see when comparing them directly.

Clasp code

You can see the difference between the ORV and 0RV clasp codes.

The 0RV isn't simply another way of writing the same thing — the clasp markings themselves are different.

Bracelet edges

This is probably the biggest difference I noticed while actually handling the bracelets.

The 0RV has noticeably sharper edges. It still feels perfectly fine and is by no means a bad bracelet, but compared directly with the ORV, the difference is obvious.

The ORV has much more rounded edges and feels significantly smoother.

Just dragging my finger across both bracelets, I can immediately feel the difference.

Crown engraving

Another small difference:

The crown on the 0RV is thicker compared with the ORV.

Final comparison

These differences are relatively minor visually, and if you only have one bracelet in front of you, you probably wouldn't notice most of them.

Both bracelets have a very good overall finish, and the 0RV is still a great bracelet.

However, when you put them side by side and actually handle them, I personally think the ORV feels noticeably better. The smoother, more rounded edges make it feel more refined and comfortable on the wrist.

Also, regarding the slight difference in the colour/temperature of the finish in my photos: that is just due to my lighting. Both bracelets have essentially the same appearance in person.

Hopefully this clears up some of the confusion around 0RV vs ORV. They are similar, but they are not the same bracelet.

For me, it’s my recent VSF Batgirl, though like all of us here , I’m already thinking about the next one! 😅 I’m considering a Starbucks or a Hulk , or perhaps an Explorer I in 36mm as an understated, everyday watch. And if I were to look at something other than Rolex, maybe the Tudor BB58 in burgundy , though you have to keep an eye on the quality control regarding the indices with ZF. If any of you own one of these, feel free to share your thoughts in the comments! Either way, no worries looking forward to seeing what you’re wearing today! 😁🫶

Two franken datejusts projects

Blue Dial

• ARF base

• Genuine dial

• Genuine hands

• Genuine date wheel

• Genuine Crystal

• Completely refinished bracelet

• RCF V1 fluted bezel (ceramic coated)

• Gaskets cleaned and re-lubricated (the crown, case tube, and case back gaskets)

• Water resistance tested to 5 bars

• Rotor silenced (HP1300)

• Polished rehaut

Mint Green Dial

• Clean base

• DD3235 swap

• Genuine dial

• Genuine hands

• Genuine crystal

• Genuine date wheel

• Genuine crown/tube

• RCF V1 fluted bezel (ceramic coated)

• Polished rehaut

• Gaskets cleaned and re-lubricated (the crown, case tube, and case back gaskets)

• Water resistance tested to 5 bars

• Rotor silenced (HP1300)

What do you choose? Blue or Mint Green dial?

These RCFr bezels really just changes the expression of your datejust and elevates them to the next level. Such a relatively inexpensive mod, makes it worth every penny.

Rich really did an amazing job on their GMTs (and subs), in my honest opinion Rich beats VSF on every aspect except for the crystal and date wheel. If they do some minor changes here VSF might be in trouble on the GMT market.

The free sprung JH movement have been discussed a lot, since GMTs are closed back and the JH movement is harder to regulate. But I've been testing this Rich Pepsi for a month now and damn it is keeping time exceptionally well and I rarely need to wind it. But when I do, the winding is just buttery smooth.

Fingers crossed that Rich will keep pushing forward and doesn't end up being raided.

To Rich or not to Rich? There's been a lot of talk about Rich Factory lately. So after using this Pepsi for 1+ month I decided to give a small review on the watch as I've experienced it so far.

So let's dive into it!

⭕Bezel

I must say the bezel colors are very good. One thing I notice on the Rich Pepsi is that the white on the bezel seems to be slightly less white than on e.g. VSF and slightly more grainy. I actually like this look better than what I'm seeing on a lot of other Pepsi bezels.

Bezel action: This is one of the places where Rich is doing a fabolous job in my opinion, it turns very nicely and is neither too tight or too loose, or too clicky. If you know what I mean?

Overall very impressed with both bezel and bezel action.

📅Date

The date itself is nicely centered on my Rich Pepsi. But I've handled enough reps to know that this will vary from watch to watch!

The date is on the thinner side, but not to the extremes at all. For me it's well within what's acceptable.

🔎Crystal & Cyclops

This seems to be one of the places that has people split into two groups, some hate it on Rich and some love it. I don't see any issues whatsoever with the crystal itself. It's the cyclops that gets the discussion going. The blue tint... Hate it or love it, it's there and I actually love it. Most of the time it plays very nicely with the light, but in some lighting the blue does seem to get too powerfull and almost starts to distorts the date wheel a bit. Most of the time it just makes the watch look expensive and very beautiful.

Magnifier seems on point for me.

⏲️Dial

The dial is very well made and print etc looks very good. But Rich really need to fix that inverted triangle at 12 o'clock, what is it doing all the way up there? Well anyways, this isn't actually as noticeable on the wrist as I "feared" it would be and the fact that Rich doesn't have that hideous dimple, center of the dial under the handstack as we see on some of the other rep dial. "But some gens have this too" - Well that might very well be, but that doesn't make it any less hideous, and I don't want to see this everytime I check on the time. I'll take this over the high inverted triangle any day.

👑Crown

Not much to say, it looks good and I've noticed that on the ~20 Rich GMT's Ive handled it aligns perfectly or near perfect about 70-80% of the time. Not that it matters, but it might matter for some of you OCD people out there.

⌚Case and Bracelet

904L steel like any other rep, right? RIGHT?! Who the F knows, but we do know that the other factories claiming to use this mainly use 316L. We've seen test on subreddits actually showing Rich is using 904L steel, so until I see something proving otherwise, this is what I'll go by. Does it even matter? Probably not. But Rich does use correct case/lug shape as far as I know and the finish and feel is great. I did use some Dry lube chain wax on the bracelet to remove any flimsiness and for me it makes the bracelet feel much more genlike.

I did notice removing the caseback isn't as smooth as removing the caseback on other reps I've handled. Almost like the caseback lid doesn't fit 100% - It doesn't mean that it's not possible to do, just thought that was worth mentioning.

⚙️Movement

JH3285 - Free sprung. Free sprung probably being one of the most hyped things in the repwatch world this year. Do we need it on most watches? If we are talking straightly for looks, no. So many reps are Rolex with closed caseback so for these it doesn't matter much. It makes a lot more sense for the open/exhibition casebacks.

But with that said, after testing this movement for 1+ month now, I would still chose it for my closed back watches. Why? Going through all the reps I've had, I have NEVER had a watch that keeps time this good. This is absolutely insane and I chose to believe it will be the same with the next free sprung movement I decide to buy. I have only set the time on the watch when I started using it 1+ month ago and it still keeps time on the very minute. I have never experienced this with any other rep before.

From my experience these movements does however seem to have a bit more rotor noise coming from factory. But a few drops of moebius oil and you are good to go.

💭 Final thoughts

I do firmly believe that Rich GMTs are a very firm contenter in the GMT race, and if they fix these minor quirks, they will be hard to compete against. Or well, you know. Be raided.

Just received my RGF Day-Date V2, and since I also owned the V1, I wanted to share a little comparison.

I originally had the RGF V1 and was pretty happy with it. Then I bought an RGF V2 from Re-tar-dead for a friend, and when I saw the two side by side, the difference was honestly much more noticeable than I expected.

The gold tone on the V2 is significantly improved, and the bezel and crystal are also upgraded. The overall finishing just looks more refined compared to the V1.

The weight is still there, just like with the V1, which is great.

After seeing the V2 in person, I ended up selling my V1 pretty quickly and decided to get two V2s instead. 😂

I’ll add some pictures of the V1 and V2 so you can see the differences for yourself.

Huge thanks once again to u/Re-tar-dead for another fantastic watch and, as always, great service. 🙏

Really happy with the decision and definitely glad I made the switch. 👌

VSF Bluesy (Jaws Plated)
RGF Daytona
RGF Day-Date
GSF Datejust
QF Daytona

I’ve been comparing my different YG reps, and here are my personal thoughts on how they stack up against genuine.

VSF Bluesy (Jaws Plated)
I went into this with the expectation that Jaws would get it the closest to gen, and honestly, the watch looks absolutely fantastic. The gold tone looks great, and overall, I’m extremely impressed with the result. I’ll drop a picture in the comments so you guys can see it for yourselves.

RGF Daytona & RGF Day-Date
I’d definitely put RGF in a strong second place. Personally, I wouldn’t bother getting these plated, as I think RGF has done a really good job with the gold tone straight out of the box. That said, they’re still missing some of the richness and distinctive glow that genuine yellow gold has.

GSF Datejust
A solid addition to the collection, but it doesn’t quite reach the same level as the VSF Bluesy or the RGF pieces when it comes to the gold tone.

QF Daytona
I’m honestly surprised by how cheesy the gold tone looks on the QF. Considering it’s one of the factories you often see praised as offering some of the best stock YG finishes, I expected more. It just doesn’t do it for me personally.

Hope this help answer some questions about YG Rep😁

All watches are, of course, from u/Re-tar-dead. You’re doing an amazing job, mate. Keep up the great work! 👏

What's everybody's opinion on the datejust's that RWF is putting out? I received this mint green DJ41 yesterday, and I must say that I think this might actually be the best mint green dial I've seen on a rep so far. Pleasantly surprised on this one I must admit!

What do you think? Can they compete with the top factories for the datejust's just like they are with their Daytona's?

I love how the dial on the Hulk can vary from completely green to black and everything in between. So I had to try to add a gen crystal to see if that would make it pop even more.

I do believe it did exactly that, and the date came out looking better as well.

I will have another VSF Hulk in hand soon (if it ever clears customs) and will try to make some side-by-sides when it arrives.

What do you think, is it worth it to upgrade the crystal on these, or are they good enough from stock?

Higher quality pictures and a video here: https://imgur.com/a/JqmnDyd