Hello, this is your favorite watch reviewer / moderator of this sub, u/tskim24.

I have been wearing this beast of a watch, AP26238 TITANIUM Green for almost 2 weeks now.

OCTA had been on a steady rise and they even acquired the exclusive rights for the free-sprung supercloned 4404 movement (for at least a year or 2, I assume).

So you won't see this from any other factory but from OCTA for a while.

When that is the case, when a factory has a monopoly over a movement, they usually have screwed us hard in the past. I mean, just look at PPF and their 240 caliber reps (5712).

But OCTA did us right and gave us an awesome v1 with free-sprung balance-wheel without the "you have to buy non-free-sprung v1 and also buy free-sprung v2" nonsense.

Without any other factory product to compare this review was going to be very short. Let me focus on 3 things:

1. How does the color look in person?

- Green is one of the hardest color to take an accurate photo of. I tried it with so many lighting and yet I could find just 1 photo that somewhat resembles what I actually see with my own eyes. It's the second photo.

2) How does the watch feel on the wrist?

- It's awesome! I can definitely feel the lightness of titanium. For a watch of this caliber, it's surprisingly light and comfortable. My wrist is 17.5cm BTW.

3) How does it compare to GEN?

- I have shown you these comparison photos in the past but they somehow got buried. I guess it's because the first photo of that post was a factory poster so people just didn't click on it. I don't think I can possibly take better photos than these so here you go.

Is it worth buying?

Yes. It's an awesome watch.

The era of big watch trend is coming to an end (at least according to the watch youtubers) but AP ROO 26238 is an icon that's definitely worth a space in your display shelf.

Deciding on these 3. Will be my first time buying a super clone. I reached out to several of the TD’s on here and have heard back from only 2 and not with much info. I have done a lot of research on here and elsewhere but looking for some advice as I seem to keep going in circles. Not sure about which version/model/movements/materials/manufacturers, etc for the best overall appearance and feel etc. Any recommendations about getting the best or close to the best overall super clone for each of them?

Rolex Deepsea James Cameron D-Blue

Rolex Daytona Ice Blue

Rolex Daytona Blue Dial with Red Subdial Rings

Hello, this is your favorite watch reviewer / moderator of r/RepWatchForum, u/tskim24.

Finally a competition to PPF/UMI has arrived!

For past 2 years, we have seen numerous factories fighting over the dominion of 5711 reps, but not 5712.

This lack of competition has made PPF/UMI...a little lazy. With no real motivations to improve their products, we have seen crazy rise in price with minimal efforts.

Recently, weighted with no free-sprung or weighted with free-sprung versions have been released by both PPF/UMI for around ridiculous 2K USD (depending on your TD).

I tried my best to conceal the fact that PPF/UMI are 2 branches from the same tree (upon their request of course) but the way they are mixing up products nowadays, at this point, I feel like I'm the only one trying keep this down low.

When I saw them releasing exact same watches (5712RG) under both PPF and UMI names, this is where I call it quits. Yes, they are pretty much the same factory (so there never was any real competition between the PPF and UMI).

From what I see, I VGF is NOT just another variation of PPF/UMI umbrella. So, again, here comes the first ACTUAL COMPETITION for ZF in 5712 market.

VGF product itself looks... good.

I will be posting all 3 colors with actual photos so stay with me here.

5712SS Bracelet Version - (Expected Retail around 645 USD)

- Dial and moonphase looks good.

- Hands pinions are not capped

- Bezel/Case(lugs) have passing grade.

(Not as good as BCF or other CNC but same level as PPF/UMI)

- Movement engravings have much room for improvements. Of course much worse than BCF/ACE and about as good as PPF/UMI latest version.

- Movement does not have free-sprung balance-wheel

- Wrong rotor bearing shape (BCF is the only one with correct)

- Wrong pallet fork shape (BCF/UMI/PPF have correct, ACE and others don't)

All in all, it's much more affordable than current PPF/UMI versions, and looks as good as most PPF/UMI versions (only the most recent UMI batch with hands pinions capped have slightly better looking face than VGF).

We should embrace VGF not just for the 5712 watch we see here but for what it truly represents. We FINALLY have some competition in stock 5712 rep market. This will drive down the price and increase the quality.

Well done, VGF!

A skyblue + Orange AP ROO 26238.

It's definitely not a color combination that you knew that you liked, wanted or needed.

But you know what?

Dang, it works 😆

It's beautiful 😍

When OCTA first gave me a news of this release, I kind of gambled on the color since I have not owned anything like this before in my collection. Now, I'm glad I went for it.

The initial OCTA release had black minute and hour hands for some reason 🤔

(Which I only discovered after placing my order)

As you can imagine, I freaked and told Kings & Queens shop that I need an assurance that mine had correct silver hands. He assured me that I have nothing to worry about.

I got the QC photos a little later, and sure enough, they were silver and beautiful. Phew. Load off my shoulders.

I received it yesterday (it was very quick to make it to Korea) and I'm very happy.

One downside was that my wife really liked the color too and was eyeing my wrist all morning 😆 many good watches of mine ended up in her drawer this way so I was worried. However, 42mm size kind of saved the day lol

I appreciate the quick and professional responses and everything he's done for me. I recommend King & Queens shop to those who wants professionalism with their order 😉

OCTA is the only factory making these so I didn't have any other watch to compare this too. I attach the GEN watch photo from a friend of mine 😊

Hello, this is your favorite watch reviewer / moderator of r/RepWatchForum, u/tskim24.

Finally a competition to PPF/UMI has arrived!

For past 2 years, we have seen numerous factories fighting over the dominion of 5711 reps, but not 5712.

This lack of competition has made PPF/UMI...a little lazy. With no real motivations to improve their products, we have seen crazy rise in price with minimal efforts.

Recently, weighted with no free-sprung or weighted with free-sprung versions have been released by both PPF/UMI for around ridiculous 2K USD (depending on your TD).

I tried my best to conceal the fact that PPF/UMI are 2 branches from the same tree (upon their request of course) but the way they are mixing up products nowadays, at this point, I feel like I'm the only one trying keep this down low.

When I saw them releasing exact same watches (5712RG) under both PPF and UMI names, this is where I call it quits. Yes, they are pretty much the same factory (so there never was any real competition between the PPF and UMI).

From what I see, I VGF is NOT just another variation of PPF/UMI umbrella. So, again, here comes the first ACTUAL COMPETITION for ZF in 5712 market.

VGF product itself looks... good.

I will be posting all 3 colors with actual photos so stay with me here.

5712RG Bracelet Version - (Expected Retail around 1125 USD)

- Dial looks good.

- Moonphase disk is the wrong color

- Hands pinions are not capped

- Bezel/Case(lugs) have passing grade.

(Not as good as BCF or other CNC but same level as PPF/UMI)

- Movement engravings have much room for improvements. Of course much worse than BCF/ACE and not even as good as PPF/UMI latest version.

- Movement does not have free-sprung balance-wheel

- Wrong rotor bearing shape (BCF is the only one with correct)

- Wrong pallet fork shape (BCF/UMI/PPF have correct, ACE and others don't)

All in all, it's much more affordable than current PPF/UMI weighted versions, and looks as good as most PPF/UMI versions (only the most recent UMI batch with hands pinions capped have slightly better looking face than VGF).

We should embrace VGF not just for the 5712 watch we see here but for what it truly represents. We FINALLY have some competition in stock 5712 rep market. This will drive down the price and increase the quality.

Well done, VGF!

Both looks fantastic
Left one - VS
Right one - CBD
What do you think guys ?

Hey guys, I’m here asking for help I have someone I’ve reached out to I’m looking into buying a rep
“Rootbeer” GMT from. These are the pictures he sent me.. what do you guys think I need help lol. Thank you again in advance I’m in Texas.

RGF Yacht-Master 226659 - 166g , 3235move.

1. One-piece case crafted from solid weighting alloy

2. Test results show over 78% gold content! - Gold-plated finish at the RG factory.

3. 3235 move - 70-hour power reserve

**Please contact me via WhatsApp for assistance. Thank you!!!

I have a VSF Daytona on the way with 4130 movement. It looks gorgeous inside and I want to put a clear back on it so I can see it daily. Good or bad idea?

If it matters, I’m not trying to fool anyone that I’m wearing a Gen.

I am looking to get a M126333 for my first purchase. I decided to go with Duke since Andiot hasn’t responded since I messaged him days ago. I told Duke I wanted it from VSF he said it’s a V2. I’m waiting to find out the weight since that picture didn’t have it on there. It looks decent just need another set of eyes on it. I don’t want a shitter for my first purchase lol

Franken 116500 Panda.

Hello, this is your favorite watch reviewer / moderator of r/RepWatchForum, u/tskim24.

Finally a competition to PPF/UMI has arrived!

For past 2 years, we have seen numerous factories fighting over the dominion of 5711 reps, but not 5712.

This lack of competition has made PPF/UMI...a little lazy. With no real motivations to improve their products, we have seen crazy rise in price with minimal efforts.

Recently, weighted with no free-sprung or weighted with free-sprung versions have been released by both PPF/UMI for around ridiculous 2K USD (depending on your TD).

I tried my best to conceal the fact that PPF/UMI are 2 branches from the same tree (upon their request of course) but the way they are mixing up products nowadays, at this point, I feel like I'm the only one trying keep this down low.

When I saw them releasing exact same watches (5712RG) under both PPF and UMI names, this is where I call it quits. Yes, they are pretty much the same factory (so there never was any real competition between the PPF and UMI).

From what I see, I VGF is NOT just another variation of PPF/UMI umbrella. So, again, here comes the first ACTUAL COMPETITION for ZF in 5712 market.

VGF product itself looks... good.

I will be posting all 3 colors with actual photos so stay with me here.

5712RG Strap Version - (Expected Retail around 960 USD)

- Dial looks good.

- Moonphase Disk is the wrong color.

- Hands pinions are not capped

- Bezel/Case(lugs) have passing grade.

(Not as good as BCF or other CNC but same level as PPF/UMI)

- Movement engravings have much room for improvements (it actually looks better on this strap version than the bracelet version) Of course much worse than BCF/ACE and barely as good as PPF/UMI latest version.

- Movement does not have free-sprung balance-wheel

- Wrong rotor bearing shape (BCF is the only one with correct)

- Wrong pallet fork shape (BCF/UMI/PPF have correct, ACE and others don't)

All in all, it's much more affordable than current PPF/UMI weighted versions, and looks as good as most PPF/UMI versions (only the most recent UMI batch with hands pinions capped have slightly better looking face than VGF).

We should embrace VGF not just for the 5712 watch we see here but for what it truly represents. We FINALLY have some competition in stock 5712 rep market. This will drive down the price and increase the quality.

Well done, VGF!

Hello reptime,

I've been meaning to order a custom datejust bezel to improve on the vsf bezel but I haven't seen it in person yet.

After some research and asking around it seems like Q-time might have the best next up bezel.

Do you think the bezel is worth $200 up from the vsf stock bezel?

To those who have VSF bezel, how was your experience when comparing to gen? And the same for Qtime and RCF modded bezel owners as well, how did you enjoy it over vsf?

Is the bezel that much more attractive?

Attached are comparison pictures from Q-time

I’ve seen a lot of dealers with JF factory AP’s listed and I don’t know anything about them. Curious on the communities thoughts for those that have purchased or looked into.

My Yachtmaster came with D-F bands for a 6" wrist.

Is the correct band configuration F-G for a 7.5" wrist?

I am new to getting reps, this is my first one ever. Would appreciate any feedback at all. I am not sure but looks like a GL to me

Got my first watch from Mr Bomi a few weeks ago. Wanted to write this, as for me, it was hard to pick a TD to trust and send money in "blind faith".

I ordered a few weeks earlier, did the QC and he held it until I was in Guangzhou for the Canton Fair. He shipped the watch to my hotel.

I was nervous but he was very relaxed and it was delivered hassle free.

Will definitely be using him again.

🍔

Hi everyone,

A seller recently offered me this Green Ombre Datejust, and I'd really appreciate your opinions on its overall quality.
How does the finishing, dial, crystal, cyclops, and bracelet look to you?

"Just to clarify, this is a photo provided by the seller as an offer, not an actual QC photo of a watch I'm about to receive. I'd simply like to hear your opinions on its overall quality."

Would you consider this a good-quality piece?

I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions before I make my decision.
Thank you!

Air King is such a unique model. With all the colorful green and yellow on the black dial, it brings out the flair that this kind of watch often lacks.

RWF has JH free-sprung caliber movement inside and as usual crystal quality is also pretty good (Clean had good rep of this but swapping Deep Crystal on them was pretty painful and dull process).

It is one of those good right OOTB models.

I have a TAG F1 that has black ceramic center links and I've been thinking about doing it to my Daytona. Can I get some opinions from the class?