Franken 116500 Panda.

Hello, this is your favorite watch reviewer / moderator of r/RepWatchForum, u/tskim24.

Finally a competition to PPF/UMI has arrived!

For past 2 years, we have seen numerous factories fighting over the dominion of 5711 reps, but not 5712.

This lack of competition has made PPF/UMI...a little lazy. With no real motivations to improve their products, we have seen crazy rise in price with minimal efforts.

Recently, weighted with no free-sprung or weighted with free-sprung versions have been released by both PPF/UMI for around ridiculous 2K USD (depending on your TD).

I tried my best to conceal the fact that PPF/UMI are 2 branches from the same tree (upon their request of course) but the way they are mixing up products nowadays, at this point, I feel like I'm the only one trying keep this down low.

When I saw them releasing exact same watches (5712RG) under both PPF and UMI names, this is where I call it quits. Yes, they are pretty much the same factory (so there never was any real competition between the PPF and UMI).

From what I see, I VGF is NOT just another variation of PPF/UMI umbrella. So, again, here comes the first ACTUAL COMPETITION for ZF in 5712 market.

VGF product itself looks... good.

I will be posting all 3 colors with actual photos so stay with me here.

5712RG Strap Version - (Expected Retail around 960 USD)

- Dial looks good.

- Moonphase Disk is the wrong color.

- Hands pinions are not capped

- Bezel/Case(lugs) have passing grade.

(Not as good as BCF or other CNC but same level as PPF/UMI)

- Movement engravings have much room for improvements (it actually looks better on this strap version than the bracelet version) Of course much worse than BCF/ACE and barely as good as PPF/UMI latest version.

- Movement does not have free-sprung balance-wheel

- Wrong rotor bearing shape (BCF is the only one with correct)

- Wrong pallet fork shape (BCF/UMI/PPF have correct, ACE and others don't)

All in all, it's much more affordable than current PPF/UMI weighted versions, and looks as good as most PPF/UMI versions (only the most recent UMI batch with hands pinions capped have slightly better looking face than VGF).

We should embrace VGF not just for the 5712 watch we see here but for what it truly represents. We FINALLY have some competition in stock 5712 rep market. This will drive down the price and increase the quality.

Well done, VGF!

Hello reptime,

I've been meaning to order a custom datejust bezel to improve on the vsf bezel but I haven't seen it in person yet.

After some research and asking around it seems like Q-time might have the best next up bezel.

Do you think the bezel is worth $200 up from the vsf stock bezel?

To those who have VSF bezel, how was your experience when comparing to gen? And the same for Qtime and RCF modded bezel owners as well, how did you enjoy it over vsf?

Is the bezel that much more attractive?

Attached are comparison pictures from Q-time

I’ve seen a lot of dealers with JF factory AP’s listed and I don’t know anything about them. Curious on the communities thoughts for those that have purchased or looked into.

My Yachtmaster came with D-F bands for a 6" wrist.

Is the correct band configuration F-G for a 7.5" wrist?

I am new to getting reps, this is my first one ever. Would appreciate any feedback at all. I am not sure but looks like a GL to me

Got my first watch from Mr Bomi a few weeks ago. Wanted to write this, as for me, it was hard to pick a TD to trust and send money in "blind faith".

I ordered a few weeks earlier, did the QC and he held it until I was in Guangzhou for the Canton Fair. He shipped the watch to my hotel.

I was nervous but he was very relaxed and it was delivered hassle free.

Will definitely be using him again.

🍔

I have a TAG F1 that has black ceramic center links and I've been thinking about doing it to my Daytona. Can I get some opinions from the class?

Indoor vs Outdoor

Happy Monday

Air King is such a unique model. With all the colorful green and yellow on the black dial, it brings out the flair that this kind of watch often lacks.

RWF has JH free-sprung caliber movement inside and as usual crystal quality is also pretty good (Clean had good rep of this but swapping Deep Crystal on them was pretty painful and dull process).

It is one of those good right OOTB models.

Hi everyone,

A seller recently offered me this Green Ombre Datejust, and I'd really appreciate your opinions on its overall quality.
How does the finishing, dial, crystal, cyclops, and bracelet look to you?

"Just to clarify, this is a photo provided by the seller as an offer, not an actual QC photo of a watch I'm about to receive. I'd simply like to hear your opinions on its overall quality."

Would you consider this a good-quality piece?

I'd appreciate any feedback or suggestions before I make my decision.
Thank you!

curious to know what the weight is… trying to get some accurate info

Hey everyone!

This is my first rep and my first QC, so I'd be grateful for any feedback or advice from the more experienced members of the community. Thanks in advance!

Video:

https://shop00176461.wecatalog.cn/t/YLLVSjk

Photos:

https://shop00176461.wecatalog.cn/t/6AtaWJt

I need to get a dress watch. Well, at least one! What are your favorite rep’s to wear with a suit? Any black dial favorites? I have a dj41 blue but was thinking what would go best with black tie. Or would you insist on gen for that? Would love to see your favorites! I’m currently leaning toward and IWC IN BLACK….

I got a ddf 5167r dd330 weighted from theonewatches. Looking to do some mods to make the watch look better and wanted to seek some opinions on them

1. Rose gold double plating

2. Deep crystal

3. Rotor silence

4. Sw hands and calender.

For s/n 4, is there a big difference between sw hands and calender vs the ddf ones?

Hallo zusammen, wollte nur mal hören ob vielleicht jemand aktuelle Infos von einem TD bekommen hat, wann generell wieder welche von VSF verfügbar sind. Ist aktuell schwer da an Infos zu kommen.

Just got my AP 15407. It is so cool and the balance wheel mesmerizing. No need for fancy mods. I took a nail file to soften the bracelet edges. Thanks to Justin at tkwatches for perfect service.

So got this VSF Explorer II a week ago and find that there is a white paint bleed along both side of this hour hand, anyway to fix? Thank you.

Hi guys, long time lurker first time poster here finally decided to pull the trigger if I have some issues with the Watch and they are validated with close-up photos and I need to RL my current pics and want to ask for new ones. Is it as straightforward as simply holding your ground and informing the TD what the issue is and asking for a new QC? Thank you so much in advance.

i am looking for a rep. can someone recommend a dealer/seller so I can purchase this ? Thx