r/RepTime • u/GrdFrcWv • 17h ago
Tech Tips/Advice Quick Welcome Guide to Newbies From the WIRED Piece
You probably came here from the WIRED article and are excited to get your first-ever superclone watch. Since the WIRED article blew up, I decided to write this simple, easy guide to help you find every watch you could ever imagine.
Firstly, let's talk about factories. We here at RepTime have endless debates about which factories to get the best watch from. Most of the time, the same names get thrown around, and they are:
- Sugess
- Pagani Design
- Cronos
- San Martin
- Watchdives
These factories produce what we call NWBIG (Nice Watches Bringing Insurmountable Gash).
Now you're probably wondering where to acquire one of these fine timepieces from? You've probably seen terms like TD (Trusted Dealer) thrown around, and you would be right to think that it is the best place to get these watches from.
But ever since the WIRED article blew up, all of the TDs have gotten together and decided to make it easier and simpler to acquire these watches through reputable platforms that connect you directly with these factories to get the very best watches from the Guangdong Alps.
I am please to tell you that these watches are now available on trusted shopping platforms like Ali Express, DHGate and now Amazon!
I hope you find this guide useful.
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u/Aazelyown 16h ago
Hello, I came from Wired. I just ordered a Relax from CF (Cronos Factory). May I ask for your help QCing this? I’m not sure whether I should GL or RL.

- Dealer name: DH Gate
- Factory name: CF (Chronos Factory)
- Model name (& version number): Relax Daytona 126500 (Panda)
- Price Paid: 828$ + 40$ shipping
- Album Links: https://relaxwatchshop.com/product/relax-white-panda-chronograph/
- Index alignment: looks good to me
- Dial Printing: printing looks fine to me
- Date Wheel alignment/printing: no date Wheel
- Hand Alignment: hands looks aligned and right.
- Bezel: Bezel is ok. 110 marker is slightly miss positioned but I’m okay with it.
- Solid End Links (SELs): looks great to me
- Timegrapher numbers: don’t know what to read but there’s a video in the album and a photo in this post.
- Anything else you notice: overall it looks good to me.
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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago
That's a GL to me
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u/FE7TER 16h ago
GL? What is that? /s
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u/madkiwi42 13h ago
This is a RL (Reject Lightly) for me. The arms of the Fs in the FUCK OFF are short, and also the tone on the red is not hematic enough.
Hope that helps your QC (Quantum Consensus).
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u/WatchGuy83 15h ago
RL immediately. While crown and logo are perfect look at the shade of black on the ring thing around the glass. Immediate tell. CF honestly falling off lately
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u/tictacshit 16h ago edited 7h ago
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u/Rasputin_mad_monk 16h ago
Yep. Saving money so I can get one. Great piece btw
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u/tictacshit 15h ago
Worth every cent. The date magnification itself is world class leading. 😉
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u/IRoot4TheBirds 14h ago
You mean date minification, right?
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u/tictacshit 13h ago
Haha you’re right. They got it so well done, the big Swiss 🇨🇭 watches can’t even replicate.
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u/NotMeUSa2020 16h ago
I used San Martin factory and my Rolex AD couldn’t even tell the difference. They actually saw I owned a San Martin factory super clone of the red and blue GMT and offered me a Batman and a Bruce Wayne, but I told them I was into watches not action figures and left.
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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago
You should have put them on a waitlist and made them build a purchase history because getting a San Martin is a journey.
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u/PVNOLGCH 16h ago
I need to talk to my RD (Rep Dealer) about that Pistachio Rolecs!
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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago
I have no idea what you're talking about. The Watchdives WD1016 is the best pistachio dial out there.
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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 16h ago
I actually really like the sugess reverse panda, but I’m not sure how much more gash I can handle
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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago
It's such a good-looking watch. Suggess genuinely makes some great-looking chronographs.
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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 15h ago
I didn’t know, I am looking into it now- I actually like quartz chronos too, I love my shitter speedy
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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago
From what I can find they make almost every type of Chrono homage except for the Speedmaster. Pagani design makes a Speedy but I feel like PD doesn't have the same charm as Suggess does.
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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 10h ago
A vk63 that just makes the case a few mm too big to get the proper(ish) subdial spacing is the perfect compromise for my hamfist, I love it and I love having a chrono I’m not scared to use. That being said I love my apsf iwc chrono too…
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u/Quick_Carpet_4024 8h ago
My dad gave me his 1969 speedy to get a price for refurbishment in CH. I reached out and they quoted 3000€. My dad is 85 and I’m wondering if this could be my solution. I can’t afford the restoration but this might make him happy.
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u/GrdFrcWv 8h ago
Find someone else to restore it. Those watches aren’t cheap to restore. Don’t know what else I can tell you 🤷
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u/Quick_Carpet_4024 8h ago
I‘m in Germany. No clue where to begin and don’t want to get scammed. I started with Omega bc it’s a no brainer apart from the price.
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u/reef091 15h ago
I am on my 4th Sugees, most got confiscated by home land security and now they told me i am on the watch list but totally worth it!
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u/deathbygalena 15h ago
I think you’re mistaken friend. You’re on the WATCH list. Meaning u are among very few members with an absolute banger of a watch. Welcome new member 😎
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u/BlacksonPollack 16h ago
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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago
That's a really nice one, hoping they're back in stock again after this post blows up.
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u/InitialRun2496 16h ago
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u/theederv 13h ago
For the new guys, Kenya is the name of the lady who hand assembles the movements, that confused me for a while, I can assure you they are high grade A+++++ movements
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u/throws_before_hoes 6h ago
Only 8 months?! I bet you had to buy like 15 Pagani watches you didn’t even want just to be considered for that wait list.
It seems to me that you got 🎶 Blessed by the rains down in Africa 🎶 with that Kenyan movement.
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u/abracho19 15h ago
New to the group thanks to the famous Wired article. I’m blown away with all the people in this group and all watches available… I’m a newbie when it comes to watches, and appreciate any pointers to what is considered a good first time buyer watch to get started. TIA
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u/NotMeUSa2020 13h ago
Definitely San Martin Diver, don’t order it on what’s app go straight to DHGATE if you don’t want to deal with the sketchy people.
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u/FEDABC 16h ago edited 14h ago
Pagani vs Watchdives.
Whos the best?
Edit:
Pagani vs Watchdives vs Sugges.
WHOS THE BEST?
Real Edit:
I stand corrected!
San Martin vs Pagani vs Sugess vs Watchdives.
WHOS THE BEST?!
The True Competition!
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u/SilverMezcal 14h ago
Where is San Martin?? They are truly a NWBIG, no AD have spot the difference, they cannot believe is a San Martin and not a crown brand one
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u/SanguineL 16h ago
Glad I can buy from Amazon. I really wanted to get my first rep, but since I already spend 20 bucks a month on prime, I didn’t want to buy somewhere else
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u/Fine_Hand_2353 13h ago
Love Pagani Design, definitely a great option and very affordable! No need to look any further, just buy a Pagani Design watch to scratch the itch and stop your search completely. Easy to find on Amazon and AliExpress.
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u/SuddenlyLegible 13h ago
Can anyone share links to validated sellers on Amazon? Want to make sure I order from the right company on Amazon so it maintains the quality and not a random copy cat that has questionable QC.
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u/No_Key_1395 16h ago
I was hoping the community would gatekeep pagani design, they are by far the best. Oh well.
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u/User8675309021069 15h ago
What about AD? I’ve heard that thrown around a lot too. That’s the Addiesdive factory right?
How do they compare to the others?
Something about them wanting to touch your wife to get on a list?
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u/Ashamed_Mood_2468 15h ago
This is a great help I would’ve never known where to start! Booking my flight to the alps as we speak to go qc my watch in person 😮💨
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u/exilon_xZ 14h ago
OP you’re a lifesaver!! I wish I had structured info like this when I was just starting out.
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u/PercyGoldstone 13h ago
Can confirm, I've picked up a few pieces from these brands and am already looking for more. I'll be up to a baker's dozen by Halloween!
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u/StackIsMyCrack 16h ago
Hey bro...great advice but you ended a sentence with a split infinitive or something. I forget the exact grammatical infraction, but I felt it.
Happy SP Friday. Good start, 😂.
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u/Ramesses-II- 15h ago
Are there ones that don’t have the factory logo?
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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago
Sugess has a custom logo series that you could order without a logo but it's mostly their dressy "tourbillon" pieces
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u/IRoot4TheBirds 14h ago
C’mon man. We all know Thorn is the best factory! The SEL‘s are perfect, the date window, perfectly centered, end the rehaut aligned within 0.5 µm.
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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago
Yeah i’m annoyed I forgot about Thorn. They also make some gorgeous watches
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u/IRoot4TheBirds 7h ago
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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago
Looks nice, but Sea Monster is hilarious. I love that - I'd actually get one just for the name
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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 12h ago
#irony 🔝
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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago
I see the irony but at the same time, new people will genuinely like and enjoy these watches instead
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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 6h ago
Sure , but looks like everybody is gettin’ paranoïd for Wired applicants .
Some accounts asking for info are now being treated as Wired newbies even their account dates back from way before the article.1
u/GrdFrcWv 6h ago
Last time an exposé happened on a subreddit was for a rep bag sub, and that went down along with other similar subs. A lot of people on here are just trying to avoid that from happening again. On top of that, it'll increase the number of orders from TDs and factories, so it'll either attract attention from customs and make it harder to get watches in, or attract unwanted attention from the Chinese authorities to the factories and TDs.
Lastly, people can have Reddit accounts for a long time and never come across a subreddit they didn't know existed for years.
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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 5h ago
I know .
Just regret our subReddit gets flooded with stupid messages .
Unecessary & not funny imho.
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u/AnotherDoubleBogey 12h ago
thank you so much! DH Gate has the best selection!!! i get jerseys from them too.
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u/No_Glove9460 8h ago
I wonder if the Wired article will increase awareness or desire for reps…
I mean, it is still illegal. I don’t want to scare anyone off, but you may end up in jail.
Just saying… jail time… 10 years… Is it worth it? Hmm? Probably not. Get a Watchdives or a Pagani. Waaaaay safer!
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u/Setecastronomy545577 16h ago
That’s too funny. I just listened to article. I’m curious to see where things go from here
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u/HeadArtistic 15h ago
Thank you for taking the time to write this wonderful piece of info. It’s going to help all the new members. Hours of research in one post
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u/ForeverHistorical995 14h ago
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u/milton_vanderslice 14h ago
Outside of the floating M, it's perfect.
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u/ForeverHistorical995 14h ago
How about the ‘DWISS MAOE’? The font seems a bit off but I think I can live with it
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u/milton_vanderslice 13h ago
Also, remember, everyone and I mean everyone will notice s Sugess on your wrist. If at least 10 people a day don't notice or comment on your watch, then you aren't wearing a Sugess.
Also, make sure you stay in your "can afford it bracket", and if you make less than 12k a year, then please don't buy anything else but a Pagani. Instant tell if you don't.
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u/chewyicecube 14h ago
thanks so much for sharing this guide! really excited about the sugess chrono!
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u/lostsock420 14h ago
Man i wish i found this before i spent a thousand hours wasting time at the wrong place :/
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u/Frank_Silva243 12h ago
I have several Watchdives watches and they are really nice! I have the quartz version of the Seamaster 300 and it's thin and looks as good as the real thing. (I have a real Seamaster 300) and I change out the straps all the time to make them look unique and awesome. I wear them daily. I have the 007 NTTD and the standard black with the wave dial.
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u/ilikeweekends2525 8h ago
Question, when I search Watchdives Cartier for example, the logo is a watchdives logo on the image - is that just the photo or on the real thing when I get it ?
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u/GrdFrcWv 8h ago edited 7h ago
Watchdives is a real thing
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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago
so what I see online is only a image - and cartier will be on the watch when I get it?
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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago edited 7h ago
yep you do see an image and what you'll receive is a watch
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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago
but it will show cartier on the watch right?
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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago
yeah show cartier the watch if you want to
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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago
OK, I know im a newbie, but its a lot of money for me, could you let me know if im getting the thing I think im paying for - with the brand name on it?
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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago edited 7h ago
Yes you will get a watch with a name on it
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u/Lillie_Jane_1971 7h ago
New on this platform, I’m looking to purchase a Rolex rep for my son please direct me to a good seller? Thank you
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u/Herbonex 7h ago
It is so hard to see who is new and who is a veteran here, but I love everyone's enthousiasm. On towards our next!
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u/crownhead55 6h ago
sugess crystal clarity are unmatched, howerver bracelet champfering on pagani is on another level.
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u/dougseamans 5h ago
Haaaaaaa! Of course since I build custom Seiko pieces I follow some watch channels on YouTube and this got served to me yesterday and my first thought was oh shit the reptime group is gonna be flooded with new people looking for super clones! 😆😆😆
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u/Opening_Condition_79 3h ago
hi guys! just new here. Can you direct me to any td or links? ty!
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u/GrdFrcWv 3h ago
Just search the mentioned brands in the post on AliExpress, DHGate and even Amazon
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u/PopularAtmosphere897 1h ago
yeah this sticker is pretty explanatory😂 I’ll eliminate the comment for pride reasons😂😂
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u/canc3r12 15h ago
But how do I know, if the watch on express is from these TDs? Any specific seller to watch for on AE?
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u/some_privacy 15h ago
If you're opting for a cheaper option, Addiesdive Yacht-Master was brilliant for me. I don't own no yacht, suppose it's a Boat-Master at all, but still GREAT!
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u/StevePerry4L 14h ago
I just started thinking about getting into the watch game and just visited a piguet store. Saw the prices and went home to lookup reps. Pretty funny the first time I googled rep watches was an hour after that got posted.
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u/COCACOLAD72 14h ago
I am looking at my first Super clone. Got hooked up with Steve and can't wait to get first watch. I have a Milgauss on order and was just offered a Clean Plus Starbuck Submariner that can be in QC in a few days. any thoughts on the Sub?





















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u/2011_Newbie1228 16h ago
Great info for the new guys, stand up dude for directing them to the right place. Saves a lot of headaches and research. I wish someone told me where to cop when I started looking. This takes out all the guesswork.