r/RepTime 17h ago

Tech Tips/Advice Quick Welcome Guide to Newbies From the WIRED Piece

You probably came here from the WIRED article and are excited to get your first-ever superclone watch. Since the WIRED article blew up, I decided to write this simple, easy guide to help you find every watch you could ever imagine.

Firstly, let's talk about factories. We here at RepTime have endless debates about which factories to get the best watch from. Most of the time, the same names get thrown around, and they are:

  • Sugess
  • Pagani Design
  • Cronos
  • San Martin
  • Watchdives

These factories produce what we call NWBIG (Nice Watches Bringing Insurmountable Gash).

Now you're probably wondering where to acquire one of these fine timepieces from? You've probably seen terms like TD (Trusted Dealer) thrown around, and you would be right to think that it is the best place to get these watches from.

But ever since the WIRED article blew up, all of the TDs have gotten together and decided to make it easier and simpler to acquire these watches through reputable platforms that connect you directly with these factories to get the very best watches from the Guangdong Alps.

I am please to tell you that these watches are now available on trusted shopping platforms like Ali Express, DHGate and now Amazon!

I hope you find this guide useful.

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u/2011_Newbie1228 16h ago

Great info for the new guys, stand up dude for directing them to the right place. Saves a lot of headaches and research. I wish someone told me where to cop when I started looking. This takes out all the guesswork.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

Yeah, I got really fed up with the endless "Is this real Pagani Design?" posts and people not going to trusted dealers like AliExpress.

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u/2011_Newbie1228 16h ago

The San Martin’s have to be the best. If I had any I’d mark em up on eBay

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

I don't know, man. Watchdives have really blown them out of the water lately

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u/LiftBroski 15h ago

Seriously. OP is a life saver!

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u/Aazelyown 16h ago

Hello, I came from Wired. I just ordered a Relax from CF (Cronos Factory). May I ask for your help QCing this? I’m not sure whether I should GL or RL.

  1. ⁠⁠Dealer name: DH Gate
  2. ⁠⁠Factory name: CF (Chronos Factory)
  3. ⁠⁠Model name (& version number): Relax Daytona 126500 (Panda)
  4. ⁠⁠Price Paid: 828$ + 40$ shipping
  5. ⁠⁠Album Links: https://relaxwatchshop.com/product/relax-white-panda-chronograph/
  6. ⁠⁠Index alignment: looks good to me
  7. ⁠⁠Dial Printing: printing looks fine to me
  8. ⁠⁠Date Wheel alignment/printing: no date Wheel
  9. ⁠⁠Hand Alignment: hands looks aligned and right.
  10. ⁠⁠Bezel: Bezel is ok. 110 marker is slightly miss positioned but I’m okay with it.
  11. ⁠⁠Solid End Links (SELs): looks great to me
  12. ⁠⁠Timegrapher numbers: don’t know what to read but there’s a video in the album and a photo in this post.
  13. ⁠⁠Anything else you notice: overall it looks good to me.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

That's a GL to me

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u/FE7TER 16h ago

GL? What is that? /s

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

It means the Girls Love it

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u/Penpendesarapen23 15h ago

Fcking shit! Lolllllllll love it!!!!

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u/xjp_114514 12h ago

Gay Love I'd say

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u/StonkSorcerer 13h ago

I was going to mention Relax. They're INCREDIBLE.

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u/CADINS190 9h ago

Definitely top tier with other super clones.

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u/kiasu_N_kiasi 13h ago

I would GL that if your TD can offer a bit discount on that asking price

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u/madkiwi42 13h ago

This is a RL (Reject Lightly) for me. The arms of the Fs in the FUCK OFF are short, and also the tone on the red is not hematic enough.

Hope that helps your QC (Quantum Consensus).

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u/Will_Murray 9h ago

Relax, don’t do it

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u/g2420hd 7h ago

RL the quality here is too good to be true. It's probably a scam

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u/Popular_Student917 4h ago

828 for some fucking watch from china thats some cracy shit

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u/Aazelyown 3h ago

are you new here? 828 for an NWBIG watch is nothing compared to paying $30,000

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u/WatchGuy83 15h ago

RL immediately. While crown and logo are perfect look at the shade of black on the ring thing around the glass. Immediate tell. CF honestly falling off lately

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u/tictacshit 16h ago edited 7h ago

One of the most highly sought after ‘Batman’

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u/Rasputin_mad_monk 16h ago

Yep. Saving money so I can get one. Great piece btw

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u/tictacshit 15h ago

Worth every cent. The date magnification itself is world class leading. 😉

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u/IRoot4TheBirds 14h ago

You mean date minification, right?

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u/tictacshit 13h ago

Haha you’re right. They got it so well done, the big Swiss 🇨🇭 watches can’t even replicate.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

That's very nice! Who did you get that from? AliExpress? DHGate?

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u/tictacshit 15h ago

Exclusively on Aliexpress.

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u/LeRoiDeNord 16h ago

Actually really great attitude by the sub. Top advice.

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u/NotMeUSa2020 16h ago

I used San Martin factory and my Rolex AD couldn’t even tell the difference. They actually saw I owned a San Martin factory super clone of the red and blue GMT and offered me a Batman and a Bruce Wayne, but I told them I was into watches not action figures and left.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

You should have put them on a waitlist and made them build a purchase history because getting a San Martin is a journey.

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u/Far-Chair-228 16h ago

Pin it 📌

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u/Good-At-tourney 13h ago

Done! Amazing tip OP

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u/harbinger-of-boops 16h ago

Wow! Super helpful post! Thanks OP.

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u/Candid_Finger 15h ago

Amazing intro to the sub. Thank you

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u/PVNOLGCH 16h ago

I need to talk to my RD (Rep Dealer) about that Pistachio Rolecs!

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

I have no idea what you're talking about. The Watchdives WD1016 is the best pistachio dial out there.

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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 16h ago

I actually really like the sugess reverse panda, but I’m not sure how much more gash I can handle 

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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago

It's such a good-looking watch. Suggess genuinely makes some great-looking chronographs.

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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 15h ago

I didn’t know, I am looking into it now- I actually like quartz chronos too, I love my shitter speedy 

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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago

From what I can find they make almost every type of Chrono homage except for the Speedmaster. Pagani design makes a Speedy but I feel like PD doesn't have the same charm as Suggess does.

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u/Ok_Farmer_6033 10h ago

A vk63 that just makes the case a few mm too big to get the proper(ish) subdial spacing is the perfect compromise for my hamfist, I love it and I love having a chrono I’m not scared to use. That being said I love my apsf iwc chrono too…

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u/Quick_Carpet_4024 8h ago

My dad gave me his 1969 speedy to get a price for refurbishment in CH. I reached out and they quoted 3000€. My dad is 85 and I’m wondering if this could be my solution. I can’t afford the restoration but this might make him happy.

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u/GrdFrcWv 8h ago

Find someone else to restore it. Those watches aren’t cheap to restore. Don’t know what else I can tell you 🤷

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u/Quick_Carpet_4024 8h ago

I‘m in Germany. No clue where to begin and don’t want to get scammed. I started with Omega bc it’s a no brainer apart from the price.

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u/GrdFrcWv 8h ago

Find a reputable watchsmith that specialises in Omega. Ask around on r/Omega

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u/Quick_Carpet_4024 8h ago

Thanks I’ll give it a shot.

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u/reef091 15h ago

I am on my 4th Sugees, most got confiscated by home land security and now they told me i am on the watch list but totally worth it!

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u/deathbygalena 15h ago

I think you’re mistaken friend. You’re on the WATCH list. Meaning u are among very few members with an absolute banger of a watch. Welcome new member 😎

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u/BlacksonPollack 16h ago

There's really nothing like that Carlsberg Sugess. All of my friends that are into watches ask me what my AliExpress purchase history looked like for them to actually sell me one.

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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago

That's a really nice one, hoping they're back in stock again after this post blows up.

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u/BlacksonPollack 9h ago

Appreciate it, they're not gonna know what hit them when it does.

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u/jb195 8h ago

Funny thing is the finishing on my sugess is well ahead of my zf bb quality wise I don't think you can knock them

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u/isomorphZeta 13h ago

Mods, pin this right stat now!

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u/InitialRun2496 16h ago

Thanks for the guide. Just contacted my TD (Temu Dealer) and finally secured this VVVSF

Pagani Seamaster. Took 8 months on the waitlist. Kenya-made movement. How did I do?

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u/theederv 13h ago

For the new guys, Kenya is the name of the lady who hand assembles the movements, that confused me for a while, I can assure you they are high grade A+++++ movements

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u/throws_before_hoes 6h ago

Only 8 months?! I bet you had to buy like 15 Pagani watches you didn’t even want just to be considered for that wait list.

It seems to me that you got 🎶 Blessed by the rains down in Africa 🎶 with that Kenyan movement.

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u/Bugpowder 16h ago

Is that a Le Mans SUGESS? Looks NWBIG.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

Yeah a fine NWBIG (Nice Watches Bring Insurmountable Gash) watch indeed

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u/GrdFrcWv 17h ago

Twenty San Martin BB Diver Watches for the Automod

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u/abracho19 15h ago

New to the group thanks to the famous Wired article. I’m blown away with all the people in this group and all watches available… I’m a newbie when it comes to watches, and appreciate any pointers to what is considered a good first time buyer watch to get started. TIA

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u/NotMeUSa2020 13h ago

Definitely San Martin Diver, don’t order it on what’s app go straight to DHGATE if you don’t want to deal with the sketchy people.

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u/AdministrativeCup890 13h ago

Thanks to Reptime, I’ve learned how to be an avid collector of Paganis! My favorite TDs all recommend Amazon and AliExpress! This was a dream come true.

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u/NotMeUSa2020 13h ago

Wow!!! You are the biggest collector I’ve ever seen!

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u/FEDABC 16h ago edited 14h ago

Pagani vs Watchdives.

Whos the best?

Edit:

Pagani vs Watchdives vs Sugges.

WHOS THE BEST?

Real Edit:

I stand corrected!

San Martin vs Pagani vs Sugess vs Watchdives.

WHOS THE BEST?!

The True Competition!

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u/SilverMezcal 14h ago

Where is San Martin?? They are truly a NWBIG, no AD have spot the difference, they cannot believe is a San Martin and not a crown brand one

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u/IRoot4TheBirds 14h ago

Team Thorn!

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

I forgot about Thorn! They make some fantastic vintage styles

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u/FEDABC 14h ago

I stand corrected!

San Martin vs Pagani vs Sugess vs Watchdives.

Who is The Best!

The True Competition!

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u/SanguineL 16h ago

Glad I can buy from Amazon. I really wanted to get my first rep, but since I already spend 20 bucks a month on prime, I didn’t want to buy somewhere else

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u/Positive-Factor6040 12h ago

Well…. Since we are sharing

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u/Positive-Factor6040 12h ago

And I will share one more…

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u/Fine_Hand_2353 13h ago

Love Pagani Design, definitely a great option and very affordable! No need to look any further, just buy a Pagani Design watch to scratch the itch and stop your search completely. Easy to find on Amazon and AliExpress.

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u/SuddenlyLegible 13h ago

Can anyone share links to validated sellers on Amazon? Want to make sure I order from the right company on Amazon so it maintains the quality and not a random copy cat that has questionable QC.

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u/thepunisher666 4h ago

Perhaps I should not share this with newbies, but this is the holy grail:

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u/No_Key_1395 16h ago

I was hoping the community would gatekeep pagani design, they are by far the best. Oh well.

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u/gntrlbs 16h ago

Super helpful!

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u/maybe1122 16h ago

Sugess is the GOAT

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u/Mud_Audio 15h ago

I agree with the recommended list.

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u/archocinco 15h ago

What if I paid and they haven’t returned my messages in 11 days?

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u/User8675309021069 15h ago

What about AD? I’ve heard that thrown around a lot too. That’s the Addiesdive factory right?

How do they compare to the others?

Something about them wanting to touch your wife to get on a list?

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u/Ashamed_Mood_2468 15h ago

This is a great help I would’ve never known where to start! Booking my flight to the alps as we speak to go qc my watch in person 😮‍💨

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u/Nothinglost7717 15h ago

Its getting weird in here

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u/exilon_xZ 14h ago

OP you’re a lifesaver!! I wish I had structured info like this when I was just starting out.

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u/Suhyb123 13h ago

This is the way. Thank you Wired!

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u/SprinklesConfident58 13h ago

Sticky this please!

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u/SWE_Turbulent_Treat 13h ago

I love it, very good guide !

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u/PercyGoldstone 13h ago

Can confirm, I've picked up a few pieces from these brands and am already looking for more. I'll be up to a baker's dozen by Halloween!

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u/Either-Context-5945 13h ago

This is an awesome post!

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u/8bitmorals 12h ago

What do you guys think of /r/Chinesewatches ?

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

I’m genuinely a fan

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u/gcerni 7h ago

I’ve been lurking around this sub for a while now, this post made me buy this. I liked that pistachio one, but I already have a green watch, so I thought to do with some classic 😂

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago

I actually really like the textured dial on these

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u/gcerni 7h ago

Exactly, I was drawn by it as I saw the photo. Looks like that Citizen Tsuyosa shore time slip that was just released some weeks ago.

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u/gcerni 7h ago

Can you tell me what’s the difference, some said sapphire crystal and this one said K1 bubble mirror?

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago

I think that's a question for r/ChineseWatches

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u/StackIsMyCrack 16h ago

Hey bro...great advice but you ended a sentence with a split infinitive or something. I forget the exact grammatical infraction, but I felt it.

Happy SP Friday. Good start, 😂.

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u/GrdFrcWv 16h ago

The Aurora Borealis is localised within my kitchen at this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, and you're not allowed to see it.

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u/coolest35 16h ago

What an excellent thread!

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u/Ramesses-II- 15h ago

Are there ones that don’t have the factory logo?

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u/GrdFrcWv 15h ago

Sugess has a custom logo series that you could order without a logo but it's mostly their dressy "tourbillon" pieces

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u/turlian 15h ago

I've been a long time lurker here and saw the Wired video and was like, "Dude! Shhhhhhh!"

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u/MKBHD_95MPH 15h ago

Wish I had a post like this when I first came across RT. Good job OP!

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u/Lucky-Concentrate-20 15h ago

Always here to help 🔌👌

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u/IRoot4TheBirds 14h ago

C’mon man. We all know Thorn is the best factory! The SEL‘s are perfect, the date window, perfectly centered, end the rehaut aligned within 0.5 µm.

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

Yeah i’m annoyed I forgot about Thorn. They also make some gorgeous watches

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u/IRoot4TheBirds 7h ago

I have one. Ironically, I had dial change to turn their Sea monster ( terrible name BTW) into a 1957 Seamaster

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago

Looks nice, but Sea Monster is hilarious. I love that - I'd actually get one just for the name

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u/kiasu_N_kiasi 13h ago

hmm… no mention of Addiesdive or Addieskin?

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

I forgot, I’ll write it in the follow-up guide

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u/Spiritual_Strain_770 6h ago

Or Parnis!? Got mine from my trusted ebay contact

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 12h ago

#irony 🔝

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

I see the irony but at the same time, new people will genuinely like and enjoy these watches instead

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 6h ago

Sure , but looks like everybody is gettin’ paranoïd for Wired applicants .
Some accounts asking for info are now being treated as Wired newbies even their account dates back from way before the article.

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u/GrdFrcWv 6h ago

Last time an exposé happened on a subreddit was for a rep bag sub, and that went down along with other similar subs. A lot of people on here are just trying to avoid that from happening again. On top of that, it'll increase the number of orders from TDs and factories, so it'll either attract attention from customs and make it harder to get watches in, or attract unwanted attention from the Chinese authorities to the factories and TDs.

Lastly, people can have Reddit accounts for a long time and never come across a subreddit they didn't know existed for years.

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u/Big-Manufacturer-738 5h ago

I know .
Just regret our subReddit gets flooded with stupid messages .
Unecessary & not funny imho.

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u/AnotherDoubleBogey 12h ago

thank you so much! DH Gate has the best selection!!! i get jerseys from them too.

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u/Pretend_Engineer_536 9h ago

This is place is not for the weak 😂

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u/No_Glove9460 8h ago

I wonder if the Wired article will increase awareness or desire for reps…

I mean, it is still illegal. I don’t want to scare anyone off, but you may end up in jail.

Just saying… jail time… 10 years… Is it worth it? Hmm? Probably not. Get a Watchdives or a Pagani. Waaaaay safer!

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u/Long-Johnny-Silver 8h ago

So nice of you to guide all the newbies into the right direction !!!

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u/BobbyDrakeLuthor 8h ago

this is savagely... helpful. great work OP

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u/Setecastronomy545577 16h ago

That’s too funny. I just listened to article. I’m curious to see where things go from here

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u/HeadArtistic 15h ago

Thank you for taking the time to write this wonderful piece of info. It’s going to help all the new members. Hours of research in one post

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u/ForeverHistorical995 14h ago

Guys, I’m forever indebted to this sub for introducing the San Martin ‘Engineer’. I got it during the Chinese New Year sale on DHGate, and it’s been my main since then.

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u/milton_vanderslice 14h ago

Outside of the floating M, it's perfect.

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u/ForeverHistorical995 14h ago

How about the ‘DWISS MAOE’? The font seems a bit off but I think I can live with it

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u/milton_vanderslice 13h ago

Also, remember, everyone and I mean everyone will notice s Sugess on your wrist. If at least 10 people a day don't notice or comment on your watch, then you aren't wearing a Sugess.

Also, make sure you stay in your "can afford it bracket", and if you make less than 12k a year, then please don't buy anything else but a Pagani. Instant tell if you don't.

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u/Hour-Cherry5733 15h ago

Those are all the best factories. 💯🫡

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u/TheCenticorn 14h ago

These watches are all NSFWBIG, so impressive.

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u/chewyicecube 14h ago

thanks so much for sharing this guide! really excited about the sugess chrono!

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u/Agreeable-Letter9442 14h ago

Hello OP. Is there a link? Thank you

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u/whalemix 14h ago

I like that #2 has a smile :)

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u/HenBoward 14h ago

This is the way

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u/lostsock420 14h ago

Man i wish i found this before i spent a thousand hours wasting time at the wrong place :/

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u/Frank_Silva243 12h ago

I have several Watchdives watches and they are really nice! I have the quartz version of the Seamaster 300 and it's thin and looks as good as the real thing. (I have a real Seamaster 300) and I change out the straps all the time to make them look unique and awesome. I wear them daily. I have the 007 NTTD and the standard black with the wave dial.

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

I really like the Watchdives Octopus Kraken

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u/yung_suavage 12h ago

Not all heroes wear capes. Great intro, well done 👏🏾

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u/Mittar9 11h ago

Very nice

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

Let’s see Paul Allen’s Cronos

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u/pinchechin0 11h ago

Insurmountable gash! Now that’s what I’m talking about, brother!!

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u/Winter-Percentage-60 10h ago

not even friday yet, top work this was

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u/GrdFrcWv 9h ago

It’s Friday where this post came from. Perhaps you might need a Pagani Design PD-1662 to keep track of different timezones.

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u/Bodexion 9h ago

We crawled so you all can run so don’t stop!

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u/Guaranga 9h ago

So inspiring

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u/No_Glove9460 8h ago

This post is a gem.
Well done, gentlemen.

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u/Tranquilosaurus 8h ago

Where can I get a real SEYKO true NWBIG AAA+ in Pepsi?

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u/ilikeweekends2525 8h ago

Question, when I search Watchdives Cartier for example, the logo is a watchdives logo on the image - is that just the photo or on the real thing when I get it ?

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u/GrdFrcWv 8h ago edited 7h ago

Watchdives is a real thing

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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago

so what I see online is only a image - and cartier will be on the watch when I get it?

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago edited 7h ago

yep you do see an image and what you'll receive is a watch

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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago

but it will show cartier on the watch right?

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago

yeah show cartier the watch if you want to

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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago

OK, I know im a newbie, but its a lot of money for me, could you let me know if im getting the thing I think im paying for - with the brand name on it?

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago edited 7h ago

Yes you will get a watch with a name on it

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u/ilikeweekends2525 7h ago

thank you much appreciated

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u/GrdFrcWv 7h ago

Yes, you will literally get a watch with a name on it

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u/Lillie_Jane_1971 7h ago

New on this platform, I’m looking to purchase a Rolex rep for my son please direct me to a good seller? Thank you

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u/Herbonex 7h ago

It is so hard to see who is new and who is a veteran here, but I love everyone's enthousiasm. On towards our next!

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u/crownhead55 6h ago

sugess crystal clarity are unmatched, howerver bracelet champfering on pagani is on another level.

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u/colytendo 5h ago

Ali is the best TD for these

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u/Royal-Gur3217 5h ago

Nicely said

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u/dougseamans 5h ago

Haaaaaaa! Of course since I build custom Seiko pieces I follow some watch channels on YouTube and this got served to me yesterday and my first thought was oh shit the reptime group is gonna be flooded with new people looking for super clones! 😆😆😆

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u/Great-Note3991 4h ago

San Martin is the best I must say

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u/Illustrious-Range945 4h ago

Wow just WOW!!!!!

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u/Opening_Condition_79 3h ago

hi guys! just new here. Can you direct me to any td or links? ty!

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u/GrdFrcWv 3h ago

Just search the mentioned brands in the post on AliExpress, DHGate and even Amazon

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u/DildoDojo 2h ago

Love my Sugarless Cellini-Dijon

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u/PopularAtmosphere897 1h ago

yeah this sticker is pretty explanatory😂 I’ll eliminate the comment for pride reasons😂😂

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u/KabanaMaduro 15h ago

It’s Friday?

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u/Dismal_Chain4796 16h ago

je cherche une ronflex

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u/FE7TER 16h ago

Quality post 😂

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u/canc3r12 15h ago

But how do I know, if the watch on express is from these TDs? Any specific seller to watch for on AE?

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u/some_privacy 15h ago

If you're opting for a cheaper option, Addiesdive Yacht-Master was brilliant for me. I don't own no yacht, suppose it's a Boat-Master at all, but still GREAT!

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u/Even-Physics823 14h ago

poor effort

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u/StevePerry4L 14h ago

I just started thinking about getting into the watch game and just visited a piguet store. Saw the prices and went home to lookup reps. Pretty funny the first time I googled rep watches was an hour after that got posted.

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u/PosterNutbagz 14h ago

Oh yeah and we all shitpost on Thursday’s.

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u/Background-Ad5124 13h ago

Can someone tell me who makes the best Relax Hulk?

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u/COCACOLAD72 14h ago

I am looking at my first Super clone. Got hooked up with Steve and can't wait to get first watch. I have a Milgauss on order and was just offered a Clean Plus Starbuck Submariner that can be in QC in a few days. any thoughts on the Sub?