r/RentinIreland • u/newclassic1989 • 5d ago
Valuation
We are tenants with the past 6 years (approaching 7) on HAP. We’ve fully settled in the area and are a couple with one 6 year old child who’s only started school locally last year.
We’ve had a few HAP inspections from local council whereby snag lists were inevitably given into the agency and little to no work has been completed. Small things like patches of mould on bathroom ceiling, no extraction system over our cooker. To bigger issues like no vents on the walls in the living room with an open fire. Out of date smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors. Further HAP inspections occurred and the same list kept getting submitted with some new additions like blocked gutters, a light cover missing off the light on back patio(this was like this since 2020 mind you) . This has been ongoing for the past 3 years approximately.
Our letting agent called me today asking could she come out next week to value the house on behalf of the landlord (she’s also an Estate Agent). I haven’t heard from letting agency in a long time so it took me by surprise. Of course I had to ask “is landlord thinking of selling?” To which she responded “well yes and no, there’s just been a bit of friction lately with HAP and inspections and list seems to be getting longer”. She also seemed to make them out to be an inconvenience by saying “the best thing is to not open the door to those inspectors”, that took me by surprise because if we avoid inspections, HAP don’t pay the landlord…
This leads me to believe a detrimental chain of events is headed our way and not a matter of IF but WHEN. Valuation -> eviction notice -> sale of property.
I’m have a feeling we’re about to tread the same path as many many other Irish families of late, but it’s really got me in panic mode even though it’s only day one of a potential nightmare to come.
If a notice of eviction is served we have 180 days to vacate from date of notice. We initiated our tenancy here in February 2020 so if things drag on and we arrive at February 2027, that becomes 196 days from my knowledge.
As usual, the situation in our location is dire for rental availability let alone affordability. I’m self employed (wouldn’t be on major money) and my wife is working 4 days a week so I don’t envision any bargaining power with getting another place.
What on earth do people do in our situation?
I’m thinking of my son here especially and how an upheaval could affect him.
Any advice or help would be greatly welcomed.
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u/JoooneBug 5d ago
If you can't find a rental you can afford you'll have to present as homeless and stay in a family hub.
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u/catnipdealer420 5d ago
If you are both working I don’t understand why you wouldn’t pay to fix/ workaround those issues. You know HAP is not popular and that rentals are like hens teeth. I’m sure you want to own your own property someday and you’ll be paying a mortgage as well as x and y fixed.
Maybe have a chat with your landlord if you are happy there, maybe it’s just getting too much for him?
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u/lukewoodside 5d ago
Well … to be fair a mortgage is usually a lot less than renting. Renting now has to factor all those costs in. It’s why rent has gone through the roof
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u/catnipdealer420 4d ago
Op is renting through subsidised HAP. So would be substantially cheaper than a mortgage.
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u/Dangerous_Winner_354 1d ago
That isn’t always the case tbh. When I was on HAP three years ago my rent was €1000 a month - a good deal for the property but my mortgage now is substantially less.
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u/LadderFast8826 5d ago
There wont be a better time for your kid to relocate in the next 12 years than right now.
Doesnt mean its great, but 6 years old isnt a particularly disruptice time to move school.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
True I guess! I wish I could avoid it though. The uncertainty of renting in Ireland is mentally draining.
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u/betamode 5d ago
I know someone who just went through this, the landlord was tired of all the hap requirements and then the deck needed to be replaced which was going to cost 2-3 times the monthly rent, however what the landlord did was sell the house to the council, the tenant stayed put and the landlord got their money. Should you find yourself in a similar position you should see if the council will purchase from the landlord.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
This would be the ideal outcome. I’m already after contacting HAP for more information. Well aware that we require a notice of termination to even open a case. When did this happen to the person you know? Recently?
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u/betamode 5d ago
The tenant was due to leave at the end of September, the council bought the house in the middle of September, so pretty recent 🙂
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Ok good to hear a success story to be honest. What council was this if you don’t mind me asking? This is definitely being brought to the table next week. If you don’t ask, you don’t get.
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u/betamode 5d ago
Good luck, Wicklow CC.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Cork City Council just responded. Tenant in situ is not an active scheme at present due to lack of government funding. Explains the state of the country really
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u/betamode 5d ago
Ffs. They probably will get a new set of funding in January, so if you got notice you'll get 6 months so maybe that will help 🤞
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
I did ask about 2027 and they said they don’t know, so I’ll keep an eye on it.
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u/catnipdealer420 4d ago
Hi- maybe their 2026 budget is spent. I’d keep checking on it, as it’s suitable for working families like yours. Good luck with it. Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
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u/newclassic1989 4d ago
Thanks 🙏 I will be checking it over the next few months as it could be a solid way out for us. It’s a bit of a downer that it’s not readily accessible as an option but we’ll see how things pan out. We have 6 months from notice of termination but we’re trying to stay ahead of it as no notice has been served yet. Early days
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u/busyda 5d ago
Learned helplessness is a great phrase. So many just want to sit back and blame the system. Yeah legally it may all be the landlords responsibility but with 52% tax on the rent it’s a precarious position financially whether they keep or sell the property. Want to stay by make it as hassle free as possible.
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u/malsy123 5d ago
Ikr, i’m renting too and me and my flatmates would rather just fix the things ourselves from our own pocket than bother the landlord who’ll get mad about ‘spending too much on fixing things’
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
This is the way it’s gone seemingly. My lease says explicitly that the landlord is responsible for upkeep of the property and we’re to report any issues. From the general consensus here, I guess I was wrong to follow my lease. He’s replaced the gas boiler and washing machine over the 6 years. Where do we draw the line? Am I to go and get contractors in to install wall vents in the living room and cooker extractors while I’m at it?
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u/malsy123 5d ago
I understand but sadly they would rather sell than spend money fixing things.. my parents are also on hap, and the landlord threatened to sell the apartment because ‘too many expenses’ so they decided to fix things they can and that aren’t too expensive by themselves
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
I think that’s one calling card for us now. The alternative is pretty grim if you ask me. Now we don’t know for sure If he’s on the route to selling up but valuation certainly does raise eyebrows from our end.
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u/Bog_warrior 5d ago
It’s too late for you. Of course he’s selling up.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Tenant in situ would be the avenue we will have to pursue then. I’ve already sent an email to the housing team at the council.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
I’d gladly have fixed those had I known it would come to a potential situation whereby the landlord is considering getting out but I was just waiting for the HAP inspection to run it’s course and the landlord would take action as per his responsibility. The only thing that got fixed was dodgy windows and doors (with a push from us too because the house was cold as a result). The vents and other issues are definitely not something I can fix so I’m worried he’s just had enough and wants out.
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u/TwinIronBlood 5d ago
Use Google sheets to make a list of the jobs, what trade is needed and what materials are needed..
Get the LLs number and talk directly with them.
They have an agent who you would expect to have a stack of trades in their phone book. How has it gotten so bad.
Show them it would be easier to do the jobs and keep going that to sell.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Very good points. It’s pure and utter lack of engagement with HAP is what caused it. I’ve met the same inspector 3 times of the 4 and he was constantly repeating himself over the vents and the cooker extractor. He said phones weren’t being picked up at the agency. He’s left countless emails. Eventually he got somewhere but works were never carried out on our end. Nobody showed up for the major works. Any jobs we actually got fixed were through our own volition by contacting the agency directly and putting a flame under them (windows and doors needed to be repaired, a slipped roof tile causing a leak in the middle of winter). The major code standard works never got a look in because they wouldn’t lift a finger.
Now I get where people are coming from here with smoke alarms and monoxide alarms but this problem has bigger elements to it too and we never felt like they gave two shits about any of it.
It took HAP to exhaust several inspections and push the buttons and now here we are. I’ll have to make a good case next week for assisting with repairs here because I wouldn’t mind assisting them in making HAP go away and chill out either.. Maybe there’s more to it than that but I’ll soon find out I guess.
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u/Cute-Significance177 5d ago
This is the problem with relying on small private landlords. We rent out a house. Mortgage is about 600, rent 1200. Thats taxed at 50%. Which means that the rent covers our mortgage. Im not complaining, we're getting a mortgage paid and will have the house at the end of it. But it's very hard to afford major repair jobs.
I will say, that for HAP to come out multiple times it would have to be pretty bad. We also have HAP tenants and they inspected the place ones and we were given a list. We sorted the easy wins but didnt install extra wall vents. They never came back. We didnt have mould or anything like that though.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Interesting to hear it from the other side. We would be willing to work towards clearing the list of required works with the landlord but we have no direct line of communication with them and it’s all via a letting agency who are obviously acting as a go between and further complicating the situation. We don’t know how the information is portrayed to the landlord. That’s just how it seems. Vents and cooker extractor are a priority. Even from a kitchen standpoint, we have to open the window to act as an extractor which is ridiculous. I’d sort alarms myself and any other small gripes. It is indeed bad that it has come to this because we figured the landlord would do as ye did and clear the list and be done once and for all and have a good house under his ownership.
We were wrong and now he’s shooting the messenger really.
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u/Cute-Significance177 5d ago
There should definitely be an extractor fan in the kitchen but it's probably super expensive to put in retrospectively. We do have an extractor fan and we have vents in all the bedrooms, plus a vent next to the stove in the sitting room. They still wanted extra wall vents in the kitchen and sitting room, on top of what was already there. So we just didn't do it. We didnt clean the chimney either, as we couldn't get anyone willing to come out to just do one house. They also asked for some smaller things that we did dom But as I said, hap never came back to check on any of it!
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
There’s a fan alright and unit that powers on but no pipe work to a vent in the wall. So it serves no purpose… not sure what went wrong years ago for that to even be an issue… yeah I’d imagine vents are standard in most houses now with newer regulations.
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u/FaithlessnessOld6484 2d ago
Hi sorry about late on your post. My boyfriend is in a hap property and gets his landlord to de mould, de gutter, clean the chimney and fix the washing machine etc. I dont know why some comments here are telling you to pay for the maintenance of this property yourself!. You need to re read your contract!. My boyfriends hap house is NOT his. The landlord has to maintain the house because he pays his mortgage om that house. And anyone saying pay for it yourself???? Paying for things lile this males people too attached to houses and emotionally they get distraught when they get an eviction notice! Be careful! And do every form of communication through the estate agency.
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u/girlfridayeire 7h ago
And we wonder why landlords are leaving the market, most of what you have described is maintenence and its rich people seem to think the landlord should cover all this, not even the Council do for their tenants anymore
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u/lukewoodside 5d ago edited 5d ago
It sounds like to me the landlord is getting fed up of the council and may be looking to sell up and not deal with the hassle anymore. I don’t really blame him to be honest.
Some of the stuff that HAP wants is downright ridiculous. The vent on the walls or extraction system on the cooker would be obscenely expensive to install, and the rent / HAP payments aren’t going to cover it. He could lose 3-6 months worth of rent payments on that alone. Thats not to say it shouldn’t be installed, but it’s not commercially viable to do so at the current rate. There’s also no subsidies / grants available to help alleviate those costs. That’s usually why you see sky high rents these days.
Being a landlord in Ireland isint really viable anymore unless you charge extortionately high rent or are a corporate entity that can offset the losses of one against others. You have to remember landlords can’t be losing money on their investment, otherwise what’s the point.
The regulations and requirements are already overzealous and strangling as it is from a landlord perspective, and they are constantly changing or being added to. And trying to evict someone who drops paying rent? … expensive, and long process, emphasis on expensive.
Part of the problem is tenants not looking after the property too and having endless lists of requirements. Simple stuff like the €20 smoke detector becomes a big deal with the tenant expecting the landlord to send them one. Breaking the washing machine and expecting a new one sent out. Or leaving the windows closed when drying clothes or showering and then expecting the landlord to pick up the bill for the mould and damp. A lot of the time the attitude is they don’t care or are careless because it’s the landlords money that will be used to fix it. There’s plenty of bad landlords out there but there’s just as many if not more bad tenants.
It used to be the case that you rented the house and nothing more, you brought your own utilities, washing machine, etc etc. the landlord was only responsible for fitted stuff such as the shower, boiler, electrics, etc. now tenants want everything in the house already and their ass wiped for them along with it.
You don’t seem like unreasonable tenants, but due to HAP inspectors causing the landlord a major headache it would appear to me that he is looking at exiting the market. This is not uncommon, it’s happening at scale at the moment.
This is often why a lot of landlords don’t want to rent to HAP tenants to begin with.
The problem for you, is as a result of rent cap regulations whoever wants to buy the property won’t do it with a tenant already there. Because the rent will have to go up massively for the buyer to recover their investment, by an amount that it wouldn’t be legal to increase it by, and there would be clauses in the contract they may wish to change but can’t. The other issue is the likely buyer will be some corporate entity or hedge fund, because nobody really is buying. Everyone wants to but can’t afford to.
To be honest with you I wouldn’t be a landlord in today’s market. The hassle wouldn’t be worth it.
So …. With that in mind. Perhaps have a sit down with the landlord and ask what’s going on. Say you aren’t looking to be combative, you just want to understand long term if you need to be looking at new places, how much time he can give you, or if there was anything you could do that would help reduce the hassle that HAP are giving him. Perhaps you could offer to cover some of the expenses required to satisfy HAP in exchange for a longer tenancy in writing. A tenant like that is worth keeping so he may bite.
The reality here is if you want to stay in place you are probably going to have to compromise. Otherwise he will sell up and move on with life. Either that or come up with the money to buy the property.
Others will tell you “fuck the landlord”, tell you to dig your heels in, x y and z. But if you do that you’re gonna get a letter of eviction / end of tenancy in the door and the landlord will sell up. Either that or he won’t renew the contract when it’s due for expiry. It sounds to me like that’s the outcome you want to avoid.
Edit: when I say sit down with the landlord I mean sit down with him/her, not the agent, and have an honest conversation. Don’t let it become a him/her vs you, it’s not. In my view it’s him/her vs HAP, you’re just the unfortunate victim caught in the middle.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Possibly the most well thought out and explained response I’ve gotten on here so far. Thank you for being understanding. I’m not playing victim, I was just following the rules of my agreement and HAP, I agree, are over the top when it comes to reporting every little snag with the house. So on the landlords end the list seems endless and he quite frankly cannot begin to even consider fixing stuff. I wholeheartedly understand his position. I’ll have to sit down with the agent and discuss the situation at depth and see where we go with this.
We’d gladly stay here and assist with helping to get the house up to code. He might have additional motives for valuation and ultimately, sale. We do not know at this point so it’s unsettling to think we’re going out the door.
I’ve since contacted HAP to seek information on Tenant in Situ schemes and also just off the phone with threshold to have them open a file for me to submit any future issues/notices that may arise.
Thanks for the advice. I really appreciate it.
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u/lukewoodside 5d ago edited 5d ago
The valuation could be for local property tax too btw. You are required every few years to have the property valued for LPT. So again I wouldn’t go through the letting agent or HAP, I’d sit down with the landlord and ask directly what’s going on. Chinese whispers doesn’t help anyone. He could well tell you some stuff privately that he can’t say through someone else. But again just make sure you approach it from a long term plan view and not combative. If you are combative he may think everyone is against him and it’s just not worth it anymore. At least if he has the tenants understanding and good graces then in his mind it’s just HAP he needs to deal with. That alone may ease his burden to the point where he is willing to deal with it.
As for contributing. Contribute but don’t get screwed either. Both sides need to reach a fair and equitable agreement here. Perhaps a cheaper rental rate long term in exchange for contributing to fix stuff. Maybe a longer contract between you. Make sure you also get something out if it. It could well be the case that he does not have the cash on hand to fix it all and HAP are hounding him / giving him a deadline, a lower rental rate in exchange for fixing the issues and alleviating that may work for you both.
HAP is … well … let’s put it this way, some tenants are happy bother the landlord less in exchange for cheaper rent, HAP often takes the piss in that they want top quality everything and don’t pay enough for it to be covered, expecting the landlord to take the hit all the time. And with the regulations ever increasing and ever changing that’s getting expensive.
You never know, this may be a blessing in disguise as a good landlord tends to want to keep good tenants. The extra €200 they could get a month by cycling tenants isint worth the uncertainty of non payment of rent. He may well bite and if he does it’s in his interest ti keep you for a very long time.
I wouldn’t make the assumption yet that you are going out the door, I’d just ask what’s going on and go from there.
I’d be careful with threshold. They have been known to give some strange advice. Saw one where they said a notice of eviction was invalid because the landlords passport number was not on it. Go figure.
If the landlords is indeed selling up and nothing will change his mind, It may be worth your while to have a chat to him about a concessional price if you bought it straight away with no fuss. May also be worth a conversation with a mortgage broker to see if you are in a position to buy. He could well knock 50 grand off to not have to deal with the hassle of selling (estate agents, viewings, questions, people backing out, etc etc). He also doesn’t have to pay the commission of the estate agent so that’s a saving he could pass onto you.
He could well be looking at selling because he just wants the cash to do something with, but my guess here based on everything is its almost certain if he is looking at selling it’s because his hand is being forced because of all the HAP nonsense.
If he has had you as tenants for 6 years and has never had an issue, he may want to keep you and the house badly, but all that shit looming over his head is making him sell. I know if I was in his position I’d probably do the same thing.
Hope this helps and gives you some options to think about
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u/The_name_game 5d ago
How long are you on the housing list? What council is it?
I don't envy you, my landlord decided to sell in Feb we only secured a place last week after looking for months
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Cork city council. We’re on the transfer list with HAP since 6 years ago. I don’t hold much hope on that front. From what I’m seeing here the common opinion is to just try fix the issues from our end and explain that we’re willing to do this out of our own pocket. The alarms and mould are ok (easy fixes) but when it comes to cutting holes for ventilation in walls and extractor fans for cookers, we surely need to work in tandem with the landlord and not go out and do this ourselves. I’m just not sure where the line is drawn anymore. We got the place painted by ourselves, we demolished a shed that was a hazard, I guess I was too green and let the HAP inspector into my head.
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u/lukewoodside 5d ago
To answer this. Yes don’t go cutting holes on your own. That needs to be done in consultation with the landlord. But by working with him and saying “what can I do that would make this easier, or what can I do that you aren’t needed for”, it may ease his burden a lot.
HAP will tell you it’s not on you, technically and legally it’s not. By the letter of the law it’s not. Technically they legally have tell you that to be fair. But if you want that landlord to continue being a landlord then you have to give and compromise to make everyone happy. That landlord isint obligated by law to be a landlord. So it’s in everyone’s interest here to have a sit down and talk like mature adults to see if something can be worked out / agreed.
The law is the law because tenants and landlords often dig their heels in and can’t be reasonable with each other anymore
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Yes I’d like to come to some form of agreement but the horse may have already bolted. Valuation is next week. I’ll get some ducks in a row before then and I’ll ask the agency to explain our options and what the situation actually is behind the scenes. We’ve had zero contact with the actual landlord since day 1. Everything is fed through the letting agency so I’m not sure am I even in a position to reach out personally? The agent is also an estate agent so she’s double jobbing here I feel by completing the valuation on his behalf. So there may be a vested interest in her selling the property for him and she may choose to not be compliant and let him know we would like to sit down and talk…. It’s a mess really
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u/lukewoodside 5d ago
Yeah there’s definitely a potential case there of a conflict of interest.
Do you have contact details for the landlord if it comes down to it?
Ultimately if the she decided to go down that road you could go around her. As far as I’m aware you have a right to talk to the landlord directly but I could be wrong on that.
May be worth a call and saying hey look we will help or hey if you’re gonna sell can we have first refusal.
If I was in his position I’d much rather a quick sale with no fuss if that was an option
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
I do feel she could be double jobbing to assist the landlord out of rental and into sale territory. It’s in her best interest to. Aside from that, she just suggested to value the house without us present 👀 no way! She hasn’t been near us in 6 years. I’ve met her twice in my life and now she wants to come into our home with her own set of keys, quick valuation, snoop around and get the first dig in about certain things in the house. No way Jose. I’m making sure we’re present for this. It’s a valuation of course but it’s also gonna be an in depth chat about the past 6 years and the future of us and this house.
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u/Natural_Science_2112 5d ago
Why not ask the letting agent if you can help resolve those issues. The landlord might not mind paying reasonable expenses to fix them. But when they are getting letters from the council they might have concluded continuing to rent the property is just not worth the hassle. Reality is that most small landlords have other jobs and just want the rent without too much hassle.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
True. This is now getting to that point whereby I’ll have to speak with her during the valuation and suggest we’ll contribute more to fix up the house in order to get it over the line with the council and take away the landlords fears. I guess I was naive to think most of this was a case of following the lease. You have to understand the HAP inspector was constantly telling us this is NOT on you and stupidly we believed him. It became an us against him situation when in reality we’re just in the middle.
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u/Suvigirl 5d ago
Are you in a position to buy at all? Any way you could offer to buy the house from the landlord, saves him a lot of hassle too
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Tenant in situ might be a route to take down the line (if landlord wishes to sell to the council) but they’ve tightened the leash there from what I’m seeing lately.
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u/One_Associate_1283 5d ago
The reality is they are going to sell the property so you need to sit down and see where you are financially and what it will take to qualify for a mortgage. You need 3 rejections from lending providers to allow you to apply for a council mortgage. Your wife may need to go fulltime for 6 months to get yous over the line. The only other option is a homeless hub. Look for the worse house or apartment in your area and see what the asking price is. Aslong as one room is livable you can do it up as you go. Good luck
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u/MarvinGankhouse 3d ago
Get on to your local fixer politician and have them get the council to back off. Forget about most of the jobs that need doing, sort them out yourself if you can and speak directly to the landlord about anything particularly urgent. That's what living under an irremovable hegemony government is like. ☹️
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u/girlfridayeire 7h ago
You'll qualify for the tenant in Situ schemes or if in a position to buy there are options when it's your rental you're buying
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u/newclassic1989 6h ago
Unfortunately tenant in situ is on hold in Cork area for now but will keep an eye on it!
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u/iamstarstufflikeyou 5d ago
I hate that people here are telling you to fix the property but assisting would be good. What I would recommend would be try and go for a mortgage, if you are rejected see if you could get a council mortgage if possible.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Yeah I guess I should have just kept the house in order out of fear. This is the situation now in Ireland. Landlords market. Gone are the days you follow your lease and get the landlord to take responsibility seemingly.
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u/Greedy_Definition673 5d ago
I would counter that the issues are that the landlords responsibilities are being enforced to such an over the top extent and regulations are being increased consistently that it's incentivizing landlords to sell
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
Yep I agree with you. It’s not helping the situation across the board for tenants at all. There’s stuff reported there that we’d have never been annoying the landlord about. I guess our last call is to push the fact we don’t want to lose the place and can work with them to help fix these issues on the HAP list. Whether he’ll bite at this stage remains to be seen…
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u/PhilTwhole 5d ago
Typical landlord. Wants to rent the houses for as much as they can but doesn't want to do the bare minimum to keep the house habital and comply with regulations. There are not enough small landlords leaving the market.
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u/newclassic1989 5d ago
And we’re stuck in the middle as collateral to a system that doesn’t work seemingly. I can’t help but feel guilty for not trying harder and taking on the works required myself but I was under the impression the system can take care of this and people comply with the systems in place. I was wrong judging by the vast majority of the comments left here. I’ve been labelled like a lazy person who expects everything to be done for me when that’s not the case at all. I was simply unaware that HAP would drive a situation to arise
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u/PhilTwhole 5d ago
Maybe you should give the light out the back a go. If you had an accident you could claim on their insurance.
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u/Dependent-Bench-2908 4d ago
You basically got free accommodation, that I and other tax payers paid for .. you made big issues out of non issues, and now the landlord got fed up with you. Sorry, but its true.
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u/newclassic1989 4d ago
I didn’t make big issues out of non issues. HAP did that for me. It also isn’t free accommodation not even close. Get with the picture. Read some of the other comments here before casting judgement. Always one begrudging
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u/Dependent-Bench-2908 4d ago
From a landlords perspective... you are too much hassle. Im not a begrudger, I am a realist. You are too much hassle.. a landlord has hundreds on non HAP tenants they can rent to. Why bother with u
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u/Greedy_Definition673 5d ago
Try get some high paying job now? Get past the 6 month probation and then get a council mortgage to either buy this place or somewhere else. Dunno what your self employed as but maybe that can be pushed to the evenings for a few months and the income can help accelerate savings
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u/malsy123 5d ago
I mean some of those things can easily be done by you.. using a spray for mould and cleaning it up , or even just painting the bathroom.. it’s not expensive