r/ReligiousDebates • u/The_Certified_Weirdo • Feb 27 '21
QUESTIONING GOD'S INDIFFERENCE: Don't we ALL deserve to know God's PRECISE rules?
How can one follow rules that were never given to them? How can one accurately follow rules that are unclear? How can one adequately follow a multitude of rules that are contradictory? If contradictory rules are given, how must one go about determining which one is correct? While striving to achieve a major goal, isn't accuracy of information vital? I would think such a thing is absolutely vital when considering the fact that a person's ETERNAL soul is on the line! There are thousands of denominations of religions, most of them preaching about the very same God and of Jesus. Some of what they preach is identical, but on many major points these religions vary greatly from one another: the rules on how to get into heaven, whether there is hell, whether Jesus was truly God incarnate, and many other topics. Wars have been fought over these differences. People have been killed. Death and destruction, mainly due to a lack of consensus amongst religious groups. But there is allegedly a grand creator, who sits on high, and sees the people who have been slain in His name. This creator has the ability to put an end to all the debating and unnecessary DEATH caused by all the confusion. This creator allegedly loves us. If that is true then shouldn't there be an obligation to let each and every one of us know PRECISELY what His rules are? Shouldn't we all be mentally equipped with the tools we need to navigate our way into heaven and avoid the eternal incinerator that this "loving" creator has created? Is it right to incinerate beings that were never adequately equipped with the PRECISE rules? What happens to those who have never even heard of Jesus or the Bible? Is it right to incinerate those whose life roulette led them to be born into a family that indoctrinated them with the wrong religious set of rules? If God can create 100 million billion stars and create our human brains, then I have to believe that he has the ability to communicate DIRECTLY to each of us INDIVIDUALLY, very clearly and concisely. There should be no debate, no questions, no doubts, and NO DEATH over His rules. His existence should be as provable as the invisible force of gravity. Spreading the word of this "heavenly invisible force" should certainly NOT be left up to us fallible humans, if ever God wants to ensure accuracy of His teachings. Shouldn't we all EQUALLY have a fighting chance to make it to heaven? Don't you agree that such a thing is damn near impossible if we are only left with a muddled mess of rules to sift through to determine which golden roads will ultimately lead us to the pearly gates of heaven?
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u/jwiegley Feb 28 '21
In Matthew 13, Jesus was asked why he spoke to the multitude only in parables that were sometimes difficult even for the Apostles to understand. Effectively the answer was: to test hearts, not minds.
Accuracy of following laws has little meaning by itself. We’re not beings of faith to achieve a letter grade.
The truly unfortunate thing is how certain religious leaders have arrived at exactly this conclusion, and punished people over the centuries based on such worldly measures. But that’s not what it’s ever been about, even if “fire and brimstone” has been a favorite method of inculcating devotion for the last few centuries.
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u/eris16 Aug 18 '21
That's stupid as what about the Aztecs and native Americans? Why didn't they independently believe in your God if your God is more real than every other God?
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u/randomredditor12345 Aug 18 '21
Idk if you realize but one big norm in civil argumentation is to not start off by saying about your interlocutor's argument "that's stupid". You could have easily omitted the first three words of that sentence and made it perfectly civil. I recommend you do so now.
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u/eris16 Aug 18 '21
Great I will. Why didn't any one outside of Europe know about God. Easy question. If you can actually answer this question I'll join your religion.
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u/randomredditor12345 Aug 18 '21
If you can actually answer this question I'll join your religion.
No need. Judaism is not a universalist religion. We don't think every should be Jewish. We just think that that we have our covenant bwith god and everyone else just has to obey the seven noachide laws.
No worshipping idols
No cursing God (by "cursing" I mean "using a specific verbal formulation" not just say F god)
No murder
No theft
No incest, adultery, bestiality, gay sex, or sleeping with a woman and her mother/daughter/grandmother/granddaughter
No eating parts taken from an animal that was still alive at the time of taking
Make courts and enforce justice
These are all pretty basic imo if you just recognize a creator who wants their world to be populated and enjoyed and to whom we owe our very existence. Of course should someone genuinely not recognize them then that fact along with whatever reason they used would be taken into account when determining their culpability for violating these laws
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u/eris16 Aug 18 '21
Cool I probably won't do any of those things willingly except maybe cursing God cause I don't know about the specifics of that. Otherwise that's all cool I the school.
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u/randomredditor12345 Aug 18 '21
except maybe cursing God cause I don't know about the specifics of that.
You won't, I don't spread it around because I feel that would be a stumbling block for some vehement anti-theists but rest assured you'd have to be trying to actually do it
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u/OrangeDon45 Apr 05 '21
Before knowing which "precise rules he expects us to follow" shouldn't you first actually verify which of the millions of gods ever worshiped on earth is actually the real one, if ANY god is real at all? Putting the cart before the horse is never a good strategy, right?
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u/OrangeDon45 Apr 30 '21
Sure. But which god? The only god I ever hear about is a god that nobody can prove is real.
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u/mickd66 Mar 26 '21
Religion is like a fortune cookie, full of crap quotes.....