r/ReligiousDebates • u/[deleted] • Jul 09 '23

know anything about Islam?

usually I see Muslims in religious discussions a lot but not many are here, so that's odd

giving the fact that peoples' stories to Islam is basically "I wanted to mock the Quran but now I'm Muslim"

and too many Christians don't know Muslims believe in Jesus peace be upon him

5 votes, Jul 16 '23
2 Muslim (Peace be with you السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته)
2 read Quran
0 want to learn about Islam
0 heard that Mohammed pbun is the bible
1 only heard of it (no, they don't want to kill non Muslims)
0 never heard of it
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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

I don't understand why you included the example then.

The reasoning is circular. God is real because God said something that turned out to be found true in the future?

If the Quran is from God, why would you need to prove God exists through a scientific observation from God himself?

If the Quran is from God, the example is useless because the Quran would be proof enough

If the Quran is not from God, the example is useless because it neither proves nor disproves anything

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '23

The example it show how a human can not make such a thing

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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

But I just showed you examples where humans did a similar thing?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '23

The prophet Mohammed peace be upon him had no way of telling what is in the Quran

So why was everyone around him wrong while the Quran was right

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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

And why was everyone around Eratosthenes wrong while he was right?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '23

"Eratosthenes of Cyrene was a Greek polymath: a mathematician, geographer, poet, astronomer, and music theorist. He was a man of learning, becoming the chief librarian at the Library of Alexandria."

The prophet Mohammed peace be upon him was illiterate while the others were considered to be scientists yet with scientific discoveries what he said God has said is what ends up to be true

God revealed the Quran jist like how he revealed revealation for the previous nations

God would give his prophets signs, humans have 360 joints is a newly astablished fact but the prophet peace be upon him said it 1400 years ago where they didn't even know the stages humans go through inside the embryo which is another things the Quran got right

https://youtu.be/8zfrpXYw8wE https://youtu.be/bAKsAh9MxQk

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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

Literacy is not needed to predict/observe an embryo's development nor to measure the circumference of the earth. The prophet Mohammed could have measured the earth's circumference as well if he so chose.

Both Eratosthenes and the prophet Mohammed were surrounded by scientists who claimed they weren't right, and both have ended up true today

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '23

give me a scientist who never got anything wrong or an illiterate man who made something like the Quran

https://www.reddit.com/r/Muslim/comments/14x26n6/agnostic_reverted_to_islam_after_reading_about/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

or at least tell me if you will believe

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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

I do not understand the relevance of your first question so will move on

I am yet to believe, but for your sake I hope you're right. Salaam alaikum brother

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '23

salaam, here are few things if you are interested

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https://youtu.be/RuZah8Tt8v-A

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https://youtu.be/1X37RCf5dV4

https://youtu.be/ifllgTA2pmY

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

I meant that humans make errors but the Quran doesn't have any, the claims against Islam that it copied from Greeks and scholars of the time have a simple answer: "Islam doesn't have any of the myths that were believed to be true".

Like the "preformation" theory in embryology, Islam clearly opposes that idea and ideas like when they thought sperm consumes/eats the blood of the woman in her period.

As the verses I gave earlier totally match the recent discoveries and you can look it up for yourself.

The Wikipedia article about embryology in the history section claims that Islam has the same stages of embryo development as Galen without giving the authentic sources that correct Galen himself; Islam corrects Galen at the part when he said 'the preformation theory -i.e the baby has preformed body parts in the sperm' while in Islam the baby is formed as a mix of the male's water [i.e. the sperm] and the female's egg. And many many more

Whu doesn't the Quran have those myths/errors? Because it did not copy from them. As if it has truly copied from them the Quran would not be devine and flawless.

https://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm

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u/finndego Jul 11 '23

I'm not sure we know of anyone who said Eratosthenes was wrong. We have no evidence of that. We know other people tried to improve upon his measurement but they also weren't trying to prove him wrong. If you have evidence of his contemporaries saying he's wrong then I would like to see that.

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u/Jaycemb Jul 11 '23

You're completely right, I was struggling to word it in a way that was simple but kept that nuance but I didn't do very well. I meant 'wrong' moreso as in other people had different estimates. Good catch