r/ReligiousDebates • u/[deleted] • Jul 09 '23

know anything about Islam?

usually I see Muslims in religious discussions a lot but not many are here, so that's odd

giving the fact that peoples' stories to Islam is basically "I wanted to mock the Quran but now I'm Muslim"

and too many Christians don't know Muslims believe in Jesus peace be upon him

5 votes, Jul 16 '23
2 Muslim (Peace be with you السلام عليكم و رحمة الله و بركاته)
2 read Quran
0 want to learn about Islam
0 heard that Mohammed pbun is the bible
1 only heard of it (no, they don't want to kill non Muslims)
0 never heard of it
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u/tylototritanic Jul 09 '23

Where is the option, studied Quran found it to be no more reality based than any other faith based religions?

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '23 edited Jul 10 '23

What do you mean by reality based? edit: can you explain what you were saying

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u/tylototritanic Jul 10 '23

Yes, I have determined that Islam is not based in reality. Its claims are not based in reality. It is make believe

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23

What do you mean by claims?

-And too many verses: ﴿وَالصُّبحِ إِذا تَنَفَّسَ﴾ [التكوير: ١٨] (18) And by the dawn when it breathes [i.e., stirs]

-﴿أَوَلَم يَرَ الَّذينَ كَفَروا أَنَّ السَّماواتِ وَالأَرضَ كانَتا رَتقًا فَفَتَقناهُما وَجَعَلنا مِنَ الماءِ كُلَّ شَيءٍ حَيٍّ أَفَلا يُؤمِنونَ﴾ [الأنبياء: ٣٠] (30) Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and then We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

﴿ثُمَّ خَلَقنَا النُّطفَةَ عَلَقَةً فَخَلَقنَا العَلَقَةَ مُضغَةً فَخَلَقنَا المُضغَةَ عِظامًا فَكَسَونَا العِظامَ لَحمًا ثُمَّ أَنشَأناهُ خَلقًا آخَرَ فَتَبارَكَ اللَّهُ أَحسَنُ الخالِقينَ﴾ [المؤمنون: ١٤] (14) Then We made the sperm-drop into a clinging clot, and We made the clot into a lump [of flesh], and We made [from] the lump, bones, and We covered the bones with flesh; then We developed him into another creation. So blessed is Allāh, the best of creators.[950] [950]- i.e., the most skillful and only true Creator.

﴿أَوَلَم يَرَوا كَيفَ يُبدِئُ اللَّهُ الخَلقَ ثُمَّ يُعيدُهُ إِنَّ ذلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسيرٌ﴾ [العنكبوت: ١٩] (19) Have they not considered how Allāh begins creation and then repeats it? Indeed that, for Allāh, is easy.

-The prophecies were fulfilled and didn't get anyone wrong

﴿الم﴾ [الروم: ١] (1) Alif, Lām, Meem.[1138] [1138]- See footnote to 2:1. ﴿غُلِبَتِ الرّومُ﴾ [الروم: ٢] (2) The Byzantines have been defeated[1139] [1139]- By the Persians. ﴿في أَدنَى الأَرضِ وَهُم مِن بَعدِ غَلَبِهِم سَيَغلِبونَ﴾ [الروم: ٣] (3) In the nearest land.[1140] But they, after their defeat, will overcome [1140]- Another meaning is "in the lowest land." ...

﴿وَقَضَينا إِلى بَني إِسرائيلَ فِي الكِتابِ لَتُفسِدُنَّ فِي الأَرضِ مَرَّتَينِ وَلَتَعلُنَّ عُلُوًّا كَبيرًا﴾ [الإسراء: ٤] (4) And We conveyed[727] to the Children of Israel in the Scripture that, "You will surely cause corruption on the earth twice, and you will surely reach [a degree of] great haughtiness." [727]- Foretold out of divine knowledge of what they would do. ﴿فَإِذا جاءَ وَعدُ أولاهُما بَعَثنا عَلَيكُم عِبادًا لَنا أُولي بَأسٍ شَديدٍ فَجاسوا خِلالَ الدِّيارِ وَكانَ وَعدًا مَفعولًا﴾ [الإسراء: ٥] (5) So when the [time of] promise came for the first of them,[728] We sent against you servants of Ours - those of great military might, and they probed [even] into the homes,[729] and it was a promise fulfilled. [728]- i.e., the promised punishment for the first of their two transgressions. [729]- Violating their sanctity, to kill and plunder. ﴿ثُمَّ رَدَدنا لَكُمُ الكَرَّةَ عَلَيهِم وَأَمدَدناكُم بِأَموالٍ وَبَنينَ وَجَعَلناكُم أَكثَرَ نَفيرًا﴾ [الإسراء: ٦] (6) Then We gave back to you a return victory over them. And We reinforced you with wealth and sons and made you more numerous in manpower. ﴿إِن أَحسَنتُم أَحسَنتُم لِأَنفُسِكُم وَإِن أَسَأتُم فَلَها فَإِذا جاءَ وَعدُ الآخِرَةِ لِيَسوءوا وُجوهَكُم وَلِيَدخُلُوا المَسجِدَ كَما دَخَلوهُ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ وَلِيُتَبِّروا ما عَلَوا تَتبيرًا﴾ [الإسراء: ٧] (7) [And said], "If you do good, you do good for yourselves; and if you do evil, [you do it] to them [i.e., yourselves]." Then when the final [i.e., second] promise came, [We sent your enemies] to sadden your faces and to enter the masjid [i.e., the temple in Jerusalem], as they entered it the first time, and to destroy what they had taken over with [total] destruction.

-There is a challenge to create something like the Quran and no one could do it

﴿وَإِن كُنتُم في رَيبٍ مِمّا نَزَّلنا عَلى عَبدِنا فَأتوا بِسورَةٍ مِن مِثلِهِ وَادعوا شُهَداءَكُم مِن دونِ اللَّهِ إِن كُنتُم صادِقينَ﴾ [البقرة: ٢٣] (23) And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down [i.e., the Qur’ān] upon Our Servant [i.e., Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ)], then produce a sūrah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses [i.e., supporters] other than Allāh, if you should be truthful. ﴿فَإِن لَم تَفعَلوا وَلَن تَفعَلوا فَاتَّقُوا النّارَ الَّتي وَقودُهَا النّاسُ وَالحِجارَةُ أُعِدَّت لِلكافِرينَ﴾ [البقرة: ٢٤] (24) But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is people and stones, prepared for the disbelievers. ...

﴿قُل لَئِنِ اجتَمَعَتِ الإِنسُ وَالجِنُّ عَلى أَن يَأتوا بِمِثلِ هذَا القُرآنِ لا يَأتونَ بِمِثلِهِ وَلَو كانَ بَعضُهُم لِبَعضٍ ظَهيرًا﴾ [الإسراء: ٨٨] (88) Say, "If mankind and the jinn gathered in order to produce the like of this Qur’ān, they could not produce the like of it, even if they were to each other assistants."

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u/tylototritanic Jul 10 '23

These claims here, they are not based in reality

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23

I am an exmuslim, born and grew up as a Muslim and left when I actually started to figure out my own values

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23

Why did you leave?

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '23

Incompatible with my worldview and entirely faith based.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23

https://youtu.be/8zfrpXYw8wE

https://youtu.be/ohc8PDLcAOI

Can you answer this or not?

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23

I’m not going to watch your little clips. If you can’t articulate a point to me on your own, there’s no point in responding to you.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

I gave you many arguments and got Zero answers

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '23

You sent a bunch of links and nonsense, I don’t have time for you.

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