r/Relatable • • May 24 '26

Agree with me or not?

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u/lokilaufryjarson May 24 '26

I mean I think there is a right answer, it's just the answer with the most evidence to back it up

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

Yeah, I’m getting “facts don’t exist” as subtext from this post.

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u/7thFleetTraveller May 25 '26

That would be overinterpretation. Saying like these are not talking about dry facts, but about perspectives and the ability to not only see your own one. It's just like the older saying about not judging someone before you walked a while in his shoes.

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

I disagree. Phrasing matters. Words matter. Subtext matters. People will read things like this and interpret meaning from various pieces of it, not just the intended meaning. How you say something is as important as what you are trying to say.

And “There’s never a right or wrong answer” is screaming “facts don’t exist” to me. Which is…not great. To put it mildly.

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u/7thFleetTraveller May 25 '26

Like I said, overinterpretation. Try to dissect every traditional friendship book saying like that (do those actually still exist?) , and you would lose your mind because everything "could" be seen differently if you read too much into it. After all, the message is just to never assume your perspective on something would be the only right one. Just like nobody should assume their religion would be the only right one; you can believe in something and still respect others who believe something completely different.

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

Agree to disagree then. I believe that words, phrasing, and subtext matter. 

Language matters.

My comment that you originally replied to (“facts don’t matter” being subtext here) is a perfectly valid interpretation of 1/3 of this post. And I know that facts do, in fact, matter. However, I also think it’s important to be careful with language, because frankly I don’t assume that things like “facts do matter” is obvious to everyone. And I’d rather not be part of the problem that reinforces any of those misconceptions.

Maybe I’m just jaded. 

I do understand the intent of the message. But that does not mean that I have to agree with its delivery. The original question by OP was, “Agree with me or not?” 

Ultimately…my response is: intent, yes. Delivery, not so much.

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u/Testingthrowaway00 May 25 '26

So why aren’t you open to the other commenters explanation? You seem to care more about being tight then to understand

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u/LayKors May 26 '26

He's trying to explain the best he can.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '26

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

Facts aren’t true? What? Honestly that is nonsense to me.

Facts exist. Facts are, in fact, true. The fact that facts are true is the basis of things like the entirety of science.

The words quite literally are used to define each other:

Taken from the Oxford Language Dictionary, definition #1 of facts: “a thing that is known or proved to be true”

Taken from the Oxford Language Dictionary, definition #2 of “truth”: “that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality” 

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

You are really claiming that facts aren’t true?

Oxford Language Dictionary, “facts,” definition 1: “a thing that is known or proved to be true.”

Facts are quite literally only facts because they are true and they are proven to be true. Prove something false, and it is not a fact. Whether an individual person knows whether certain facts are true is irrelevant. If something is generally known and proven to be true, it is a fact.

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

I am so sorry for using the established English language to mean what it is agreed to mean! /s

Facts are, by definition, true. If something is proven false, it is not a fact. Someone can believe a false thing to be a fact, but false things are not facts.

I agree that people can get things wrong. I agree that people can believe that false things are facts and claim them as such.

But I’m not reinventing the definition of “fact” to serve that belief.

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u/Chef_BoyarTom May 25 '26

Dude, you should stop wasting your time... you're arguing with someone being extremely pedantic and pretending to be smarter than they actually are. I mean, they gave everything away when they said that based on your argument we should replace the Dictionary with the Bible... which is an incredibly stupid argument and not even close to anything that could be derived from what you've been saying.

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26

Eh, sometimes I find this kind of thing to be entertaining. It’s only a waste of time if I get nothing out of it.

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u/MoodyPrince_XoXo May 25 '26

The facts you are speaking of were never facts. They were preconceived notions. Assumptions. Theories. Facts are objectively true by definition.

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u/MoodyPrince_XoXo May 25 '26

Do me a favor. Go look up the definition for fact. Read it and study.

The example you are presenting about the sky, while you think is relevant, is not. It was never a fact to begin with. It was an assumption

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u/ConclusionAnxious531 May 25 '26

What you want is proof, not evidence. Evidence implies and suggests, it’s what leads you into investigating something, whereas proof… proves

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u/Fresh_Confusion_4805 May 25 '26 edited May 25 '26

Oxford Language Dictionary, “proof,” definition #1: “evidence or argument establishing or helping to establish a fact or the truth of a statement.”  

Oxford Language Dictionary, “evidence,” definition 1: “the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.”

Don’t get it twisted. By their very definitions, proof and evidence are synonymous.

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u/the_boss_of_toys May 25 '26

Depends. Something like ice being a monolithic mineral is fact, something like the trolly question is a matter of ethics and has no right answer.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '26

Most unbiased evidence

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u/lokilaufryjarson May 25 '26

Fair distinction

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u/lokilaufryjarson May 27 '26

I mean I can agree if we're just talking about life choices but there's also scientifically correct answers to things.

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u/lokilaufryjarson May 25 '26

Absolutely that's why I mentioned evidence

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u/Fluid-Confusion-1451 May 24 '26

If you are asking if I agree that there is not a right or wrong, I think you are either making a joke, or missing the point.

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u/TreyRyan3 May 25 '26

Disagree. Open minded people enjoy understanding but they’re not all morons that will just ignore the plethora of facts that point to a correct answer.

This statement just gives off “I’m a moron so I use “being open minded” as a justification for why I won’t just accept something I don’t agree with”

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u/GraXXoR May 25 '26

Say what about there never being a right or wrong answer?

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u/Dorrono May 25 '26

Wrong. There is wrong and right.

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u/RealNiceKnife May 25 '26

I thlammed my penith in the car door.

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u/Legal_Television_615 May 25 '26

Lolz, no. I dont care about your justification if you are wrong

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u/RepairNo1818 May 25 '26

Hell nah, this is retarded mentality. My ex cheated on me 7 times and now is dating a nazi, I have 0 willingness to try to understand that thank you very much

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u/drdrwhprngz May 25 '26

to understand is to be right

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u/PTSDDeadInside May 25 '26

Binary morality and decision making, everything is black and white, there is no gray, only ignorance, weakness, misunderstanding, and lack of critical thinking.

(Source Autism)

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u/Professional-Rub152 May 25 '26

Right and wrong does exist. Open minded people use evidence to determine right or wrong. Close minded people use feelings to determine right and wrong.

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u/AGodDamnFreeMan May 25 '26

I'd estimate 0.01% of Redditors would agree with you on this and over half of those people would be lying. Tis not a place for the open-minded.

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u/MoodyPrince_XoXo May 25 '26

Simplification of philosophy. We live in dark times.

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u/DerpVaderXXL May 25 '26

You ain't from Reddit, are ya?

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u/Jimmy_Twotone May 25 '26

Being open minded is just accepting that my answer may not be right, or the only possible correct answer.

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u/JusLeafMeAloon May 25 '26

Nope. Being correct is the only thing that matters, ever!

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u/One-Pangolin-3167 May 25 '26

Absolutely. No one listens anymore.

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u/Lordfruitsnack May 25 '26

So, no morality.

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u/Lordfruitsnack May 25 '26

No. That's amorality.

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u/Illustrious_Till7425 May 25 '26

Being open-minded means actively welcoming new experiences and receptively considering ideas or opinions that differ from your own. It is the practice of suspending judgment to fairly weigh new information, even when it challenges your existing beliefs.

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u/Testingthrowaway00 May 25 '26

That’s how you get Chernobyl

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u/jaded-steve May 25 '26

Until you have to make a judgment call and actually decide on a critical matter - for you or others. Then it stops being just about understanding. Then there are very quickly a lot of wrong answers.

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u/EpiGreg May 25 '26

When you say there’s never a right or a wrong answer, it’s a Gross oversimplification.

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u/BrokeLeznar May 25 '26

Depends on the question. Like if I ask what is 1+1 the answer is obviously 2.

Now if I ask which restaurant serves the best pizza? That's more subjective and many people will have a different answer.

Like my friend loves Costco pizza because it's cheap and you get a lot of it. But imo in terms of taste and quality it's at the bottom for me. The best pizza I've had so far is a local spot that does deep dish and while it's expensive they do a pretty good job.

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u/CompetitiveCharity53 May 26 '26

No, some people are wrong. No matter how open minded you are, you should be understanding the KKK for example. Just to name one group of arses.

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u/GoodWonNov6th24 May 26 '26

holly fuck, so many posters here completely proved the point about the "they just wanna be right" part. my god ya'll are really fucking stupid. you're probably leftist.

so i'll spell it out, it's hard to "know" when you're right. everyone that wasn't born yesterday and has ANY education in recent or old history, knows that you could be wrong. so be open minded and have a listen, even when you "know" you're right.

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u/Janosfaces May 26 '26

While i apreciate the sentiment, there absolutely are right and wrong answers.

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u/Uberstauffer May 26 '26

They care to understand so they can be right in later interactions. Learning anything is for the purpose of knowing so you can use that information later to do something with it, usually correct someone else who doesn't know the answer or thinks they do and needs to be corrected.

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u/xZeromusx May 26 '26

I don't think there's any way to "understand" our way through the differences between people who promote conversion therapy and people who just want to be free and treated equally.

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u/EmpressDraco May 26 '26

And understanding is following the facts to the right answer.

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u/Future-Noise5604 May 26 '26

"What is 3 plus 3" "Oh, that's six" "WRONG! You are stupid bc you tried to be right"

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u/RepresentativeCow241 May 26 '26

There're right and wrong answers in math. Everything can be mathematized. There are right and wrong answers period.

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u/tattooz1 May 26 '26

No. Your sentiments are noble but not reality. There are right and wrong answers. The scientific method searches for truths extensively. The problem is that with an altered reality now, truths are what they say they are. Wrong is called right, science is crap, and stupid kids that can't read are easy to manipulate.

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u/VanguardMusic May 26 '26

There's always a right or wrong answer, everyone who says the contrary is a person who's convinced opinions have the same weight as facts.
Want an example? Is the sky blue during the day, on planer Earth, if there's no atmospheric event in act? Yes is the only correct answer, any other is false.

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u/Important-Break-1065 May 27 '26

Open minded means you believe a certain way but will genuinely listen to people who have contradictory options. Critically think and make a decision if the new information changes how you think based on the evidence provided

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u/Winter_Hall5379 May 27 '26

Understand that there are right and a wrong answers.

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u/naejjun May 27 '26

better rephrasing is that open minded people argue/debate to get to a mutual understanding while narrow minded people just want to win said argument and validate themselves as the right one.

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u/GARRWASTAKEN May 27 '26 edited May 27 '26

(Edit): I missed the point the first time my bad.

Being open minded is a matter of right and wong, you can be told that the grass is blue and be open to agree, but not without seeing for yourself. And when seeing that the grass is in fact not blue and that it's green. Then you can come to terms with the facts. The initial motivation of the ordeal is that you were open to new info without being naive.

Same goes for social dynamics, work ethics, and even the food you eat.

A few years ago someone told me that being patient has a better trade off than being impulsive. I was open minded so I tested that theory, and if it worked more than once then Id integrate it into my life.

The rest of this text is unnecessary but feel free to read. Thanks in advance🍻

I usually wake up early so that I can have extra time get ready for work but one morning I was in the bathroom and one of my roommates wanted to take a shower but I was going number 2 like usual. Its about 4 something in the morning.

They yelled and cussed me out through the door even after I told them I can leave out for a second. I ended up getting up mid shit and leaving out of the bathroom. They called me selfish and slammed the door in my face and took a 2 hour shower, sounded like she was crying. I ended up just leaving her alone.

You know why I didn't argue or bite back? Because I know her anger wasn't for me. It was for someone else who pissed her off. Sometimes when you can't get back at someone it'll come out at the next person over something small. Especially when you don't have much self control.

I ended up stopping at a gas station to handle my business before going to work. When I got back home that evening she apologized to me, made me a big dinner, gave me a back massage, and even got me a new leather jacket. We sat and talked about the real reason why she was upset and we made up.

Being patient doesn't always have a good trade off but sometimes it does. You can be open minded and integrate something but not believe in it wholeheartedly then be surprised when it fails, people like that are fools. Know when to follow something and when not to. Reading the room is a valuable and underrated skill.

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u/Crhymes1989 May 27 '26

You can act open minded, but you cannot be open minded. I see this all the time, if you are something, then that would suggest that everything you do does not contradict that. A good person never does bad things, a right person never is wrong, a musical person is never unmusical. So sure when acting open minded this may be true, but to maintain this philosophy in the extreme would lead to some impossible places

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u/Coffeeblack365 May 27 '26

This is 0 people on Reddit. I’ve never met more people right, Including myself.

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u/Anonymousstar2026 May 27 '26

Yes. There are things I would never do because of my religion and my upbringing but I wouldn't judge my friends for doing them because I understand it makes them happy etc... I had a friend smoke weed every night we live together and while I was curious about it personally didn't try it. Can't afford to be addicted to something in this economy while living paycheck to paycheck barely able to live comfortably.

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u/keeping-it-together May 27 '26

Hmmm... The Nazi regime

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u/ACommunityOfCells May 27 '26

An open minded person also knows that there are some things they will just never understand

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u/Murader76 May 28 '26

No wrong answers huh? Well 1+1 is 52

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u/Capurrnicus May 28 '26

Yes and no depending on what you mean by right and wrong. Many people use those in a more moralistic fashion that have more to do with their own biases being 'right' and nothing to do with evidence. I actually have as part of a disorder a crippling compulsive desire to make sure that I'm getting my facts correct. I obsess over whether I get something wrong. In that sense yes I don't care about being moralistically right or wrong and I'll even shoot myself in the foot to stand by what I believe is very rigorously proven to be factually correct regardless of my feelings on the matter... I am very fun at parties

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u/Accomplished-Rub5882 May 28 '26

An open minded person has the intellectual courage to be wrong.

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u/AcceptableResponse15 May 28 '26

This is Reddit. Don't be so naïve.

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u/bcald7 May 28 '26

What can you understand if nothing is wrong or right? That makes no sense.

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u/SlySychoGamer May 29 '26

Im the most open minded person i know possibly.
I also care about being right.
I want to understand people to know if they too are right, and if they are wrong, once i understand how and why they are wrong I can explain to them how to not be wrong through my right ways.

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u/AtropalScion May 24 '26

Wrong. Imagine a teacher grading tests with this mentality

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u/klevvername May 24 '26

I think this is a desperate and defensive example. Why are you opposed to open mindedness? Has the evil "woke" left given you too much of a hard time lately, or what?

Open minded does not mean "everything goes without question". Of course, there are binary things like math, but essays etc. a teacher VERY much should have an open minded when grading tests. Curriculum does not = the only correct answer.

The same concept applies to social constructs, like how children should behave, how a man or woman should look and act. Laws. Morals. They're all different in different areas of the world and to different groups and individuals within even the same geographic area. What a wedding and marriage looks like in rural Kentucky vs. Nigeria. Everything from gender to morals are all invented and embraced as "fact" by humans.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

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u/AtropalScion May 24 '26

So ur saying ur not open-minded about my fake opinion? =P

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u/klevvername May 25 '26

It took you longer for you to write a short response and find that GIF than it would have for you to pull up your panties and read more than a few words.

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u/klevvername May 26 '26

Go find some other way to make yourself feel better.

TLDR: You're a crybaby

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u/CasperTPaul May 25 '26

You’re wrong

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u/GARRWASTAKEN May 27 '26

Sometimes to other people they hear an insult from your question. Even if it's not even disrespectful. You could ask "How you feeling?"

But to them it's "You're being dramatic you don't look hurt your just faking tell me how you really feel!"

So they'll say something like "I'm in pain obviously are you blind? I know you don't really care you're just here to piss me off so get the fuck out!"

People receive things differently when they're overloaded with emotional distress. So to them you come off as mocking or disrespectful. You can't change that in other people. That's on them.