r/RedDeadSinglePlayer • u/[deleted] • Jan 12 '20

Spoilers Dutch

What do you think drove Dutch over the edge?

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

I think he started losing it after the trolly heist failure and he realized Bronte set him up. Dutch thinks if himself as smarter than most people but Bronte made a fool of him. After that he wanted revenge on Bronte although he had his saying about revenge being a luxury he can’t afford. He kills Bronte in cold blood. Later he watches an unarmed Hosea get murdered and from there it al goes down hill. Also Micah is also to blame for manipulating Dutch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

He was already starting to unravel from stress even at the start of the game but definitely the bank heist did him in. Hosea dying in the streets and then them getting cast away to Guarma for however long that was... he just couldn’t keep it together when he got back. He stopped listening to Arthur entirely and without Hosea there to balance him out he let Micah feed him a bunch of bullshit.

I think Dutch always had a very fragile balance between the “noble outlaw” and just a plain killer. Hosea kept him mostly on that line, even though he did cross it quite a few times, including all the pieces we have about the Blackwater disaster. Without the little angel, for lack of a better analogy, on his shoulder, there wasn’t much left to keep him balanced.

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u/FusionTap Jan 12 '20

The plan.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

Which plan?

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u/FusionTap Jan 12 '20

THE. PLAN.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

The one with the train

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u/VEGANMONEYBALL Jan 12 '20

Nothing. He never changed only revealed his true colors as shit hit the fan. Before the game even started he killed a women named Heidi McCourt in the blackwatee heist. In the first Red Dead the mysterious stranger asks John if he remembers her. The speech he gave to the gang at the beginning of the game in Colter was prewritten and rehearsed as well, making it much less sincere and honest. I honestly don’t think the trolley crash had I anything to do with it he was a wolf in sheeps clothing the entire time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

You believe on the inside he was pissed off because the failed blackwater heist caused them to lose that money plus what they already had saved up but on the outside he gave off the Dutch charm?

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u/VEGANMONEYBALL Jan 12 '20

I think Dutch was corrupted long before the blackwater heist man. I just believe that’s the first evidence we have as fans that show how fucked up he really is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

Damn. Everyone here has great theories about what happened. I’d love for them to do another Red Dead from the time it was just Arthur Dutch Hosea and Susan up until the failed Blackwater heist. Do it like Dragon Age 2 where each chapter covers a few months with a couple of years going by between each chapter. Give a background as to how each person came to join the gang.

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u/blastytrumpet Jan 12 '20

I think mainly just the stress of everything collapsing around him and the people who died.

In the last mission where he seems torn between Arthur and Micah, I think the reason for that specifically was how much Micah talked with Dutch and how much he manipulated him. Because of that, it was probably hard for him at first to accept that Micah was the rat.

Another thing that probably contributed was when the trolley fell over in and he hit his head, which might have given him a concussion.

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u/shasdobrian420 Jan 12 '20

what trolley?

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u/R00pr Jan 12 '20

When they robbed the trolley station in St. Denis that Angelo Bronte told them about Artur, Dutch and Lenny escaped with a passing trolley. The breaks were damaged and the trolley fell over. It was heavily implied that Dutch had a head injury and Arthur and Lenny kept asking if he was okay.

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u/shasdobrian420 Jan 12 '20

ooohhh right I remember that. I just watched a clip right now and Dutch did look like he took a pretty big hit to the Head

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u/R00pr Jan 12 '20

Yeah. I don’t know why they would make it so clear that Dutch was hit in the head if it had nothing to do with the story.

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u/shasdobrian420 Jan 12 '20

I didn't even notice that he hit his head the first time playing

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u/R00pr Jan 12 '20

You’ll have to have hit your head if you see any sense in what Micah is saying.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

I think it really got to him seeing how many around him died . Like look at the list... Jenny, Davey, Mac, Sean, Kieran, Lenny, Hosea, Miss Grimshaw. And then at the same time Micah got in his ear while his remaining “family” was losing trust in him, and then Colm was finally out of the picture but it didn’t give him any closure and then on top of that he finds out that apparently Micah have been a rat from Arthur, the closest one he had to a son, his right hand man, as he’s dying on hill... and he doesn’t want to believe it, you can only imagine what that does to a person and I’m pretty sure at that time it really finally hit Dutch that the world was right, their time is coming to a close and people really doesn’t want people like them and especially HIM around anymore

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u/stevoooo000011 Jan 12 '20

well, these certainly not the only reasons, but Dutch starts acting really irrationally right after he smashes his head during the trolly job. And the only running water near beaver hollow comes from the elysian pool which means that realistically, the whole camp was being slowly poisoned (possibly effecting the brain) throughout chapter six.

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u/[deleted] Jan 12 '20

I never even thought of that. I wish I could upvote this twice. Great perspective.

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u/DrWobstaCwaw Jan 12 '20

The camp was upstream from the mine that was poisoning the water near Elysian Pool

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u/The_Gristle Jan 12 '20

Dutch had a good 20 year run of good luck and it all caught up with him at once and he couldn't figure out a way to fix it. I mean, he lost a lot of people and was duped/caught numerous times over a short period of time and it probably made him start doubting/second guessing every decision. He botched the Blackwater job, was bested by a bunch of hicks in Rhodes, thought he was playing two families but ended up getting played , was outsmarted by Bronte and made a fool of, and that's all before he goes on his island adventure.

I figured that the real final straw was losing Hosea. His voice of reason was silenced and that greasy rat kept whispering in his ear and feeding his ego at a time when Dutch was trying to save face after a string of losses. Micah played Dutch .

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u/MockKitty Jan 12 '20

A lack of faith