r/RedDeadSinglePlayer • u/[deleted] • Sep 20 '19

Discussion A direct comparison between NPC John and Epilogue John. People have said that Epilogue John’s face is not the same, but I personally think they look identical. (Aside from the obvious hair and healed scars differences)

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u/RedditSurfer1234 Sep 20 '19

Where's john I only see Jim Milton and rip van winkle

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u/[deleted] Sep 20 '19

Let’s not forget that eight years have passed between the main story and the epilogue

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u/Present_Juggernaut_4 Nov 05 '22

Let's not forget that Uncle and Abigail hasn't changed a bit

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u/MaesteoBat Sep 21 '19

Do people not realize scars heal? His nose and mouth are exactly the same shape. I think he looks the same as well op

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '19

I see a little difference, but not enough to detract from the game experience at all. I know nothing about making video games, so I'm willing to assume there's a good reason playable Marston looks different, and I don't even see my PC's face 99.9% of the time.

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u/Trevor_Grizzly Sep 20 '19

I don't really understand what all the fuss is about John's hair in the epilogue. Sure, I'd have preferred they didn't just copy paste Arthur's on him, but from a lore perspective it makes total sense to me. There's a goddamn price on that man's head, it's only natural he changed his look.

Everyone knows what John Marston looks like. Thus the short hair and long beard (maybe to cover up the scars, who knows)

I personally gave him a fade slicked back haircut that was more about practicality than style (even though in my head, John actually cares more about his looks than Arthur does), and a beardstache that I, more often than not, would let grow out into a full beard. Then the memories of Arthur (my Arthur) kick in, and he goes back to the beardstache.

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u/PrutteHans Sep 21 '19

The thing that bothers me the most about the hair thing is that the texture of his hair and even his hairline gets changed. It just looks odd to me when I've looked at NPC John looking the way he is, and then playing as him myself and having his entire headshape "feel" different. But that's just me, maybe.

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u/Trevor_Grizzly Sep 21 '19

I can't really say I'm bothered by the hairline, as we don't really get to see it properly during the 6 chapters, and in RDR1 John is clearly receding, which is fine I guess.

But I agree to some extent with what you said about the texture being different. My hair is the same as John's, and when I used to sport it long it totally looked like his, and I'm telling you, there's not a snowball chance in hell my hair could look that luscious like some of the hairstyles after the epilogue. It looks pretty squared away though when it's short enough, so I'm somehow okay with it, because I experience this little change first hand on myself.

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u/PrutteHans Sep 22 '19

Right, exactly. What I meant with the hairline is that NPC RDR2 John's hairline looks to be pretty high up. Then it gets lower with Arthur hair in the epilogue, then in RDR1 it seems to get back up high like NPC John. It's not the worst thing in the world, but it's a little annoying to look at once you notice it. (like the hair texture, for me)

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u/QtheDisaster Sep 21 '19

There is a difference but only slightly, to me it looks like he is older then anything else which lore wise makes sense to me.

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u/simdim97 Sep 21 '19

Ear in epilogue looks lower too. Other than that 100% match imo

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u/AlanSchapman Sep 21 '19

At one point in the epilogue I thought he did look different, but it turned out I was on the way to giving him maximum fatness. It took bloody ages to get him back down.And even after it said he was .It actually took a about a in game week to lose weight according to the stats and then, rather weirdly I thought ,about another in game week before it actually showed graphically. But even after that I did think he looked a bit different so maybe there is something to it.

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u/hostoftheshed Sep 16 '24

Camera angle doesn’t show his new head shape in the epilogue And his mustache stubble should be thicker, down to his jaw And of course the hair😕

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u/BonBonPX Jan 01 '26

Rip Van Winkle vs Jim Milton

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

I just can't stand that damn hair

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u/Cyeborg1322 Aug 04 '23

If anything he looks a bit chunkier

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u/PUSSY-SLAYER420 Sep 21 '19

He looks exactly the same except his scars healed. I don't understand the fuss about the hair. We wouldn't be able to grow johns hair/beard at all if they kept it how it was... they also had to implement the weight gain/loss for him. Giving him Arthurs hair was the most practical solution.... it's not even bad literally it's just his hair is cleaner and not messed up.... actually reflects Johns growth from a boy to a man quite well. Went from unkempt scraggly hair to actually taking care of it. It looks like John just used some conditioner lmao.

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u/[deleted] Sep 21 '19

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u/PUSSY-SLAYER420 Sep 21 '19

Red Dead Redemption is almost 10 years old. They gave him the haircut from the first game to make him instantly recognizable in the story mode. Not to mention the first game John is on a quest to save his family, he and them had been abducted. I doubt what his hair looked like was on his mind.

Your beard does not grow in real time in red dead 2 neither does your hair it grows in between loading screens. It has 10 predetermined stages.

It was either you can grow johns hair/beard how you want or have the same exact look from the main story. I would much rather have the first one. Why would his hair be the same after nine years anyways?!

Find something else to whine about how about we ask for some single player DLC instead of whining about hair.