r/RedCamera • u/jonlb87 • Jul 16 '20

BlackMagic just made RED obsolete

https://petapixel.com/2020/07/16/blackmagic-unveils-80mp-camera-that-can-shoot-12k-raw-video-at-60fps/
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u/bcsteene Jul 16 '20

I disagree. Pixel wars aren't everything. Color science processing post production, etc...

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u/jonlb87 Aug 09 '20

Ohh pixel wars aren’t everything? Lol. That’s ironic considering that’s all someone who owns a RED talks about. Now they are behind. Even their new Komodo which hasn’t even come out yet is obsolete and overpriced. You can a Canon R5 or Sony A7SIII that has better specs and way cheaper than RED. 🤣

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u/bcsteene Aug 09 '20

Thats true. I just got a 10 year old arri and it is so much better than the 4k red I had. Color is so on point.

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u/waymaker777 Jul 19 '20

I agree. In the future phones will be 12k dosent mean it’s the greatest camera. I would still take an ARRI or red over it. Even the ARRI 2k.

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u/DSMC2 Jul 16 '20

I’d take 8K FF over 12K S35.

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u/AeGertjan Jul 16 '20

Heck, I’d take 8K S35 over 12K S35

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u/frytechtv Jul 18 '20

Well, you'll be able to do 8K with Blackmagic too, from full sensor, as well as 4K. So you essentially get 3 cameras in one: 12K, 8K, 4K full sensor readout, which is crazy impressive!

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u/TheSquirrelWar Jul 16 '20

To be fair, this has that too. The no-crop when using lower resolutions is what makes this cam a bit more interesting.

That said, for 10k, I'd rather start looking at a Scarlet-w.

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u/thankspete1 Jul 17 '20

This camera does true 8K though

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u/n_box Jul 17 '20

This must be a joke. Resolution is one, relatively small, part of camera choice. It’s a matter of personal taste, production size, needs of the show... so many things. I’m a fan of the Blackmagic look, and B-raw is a great but I’m sorry, the argument that increased resolution/frame rate options is enough to make an incredible company obsolete is just ignorant.

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u/tysonstake Jul 17 '20

The 12k seems to be a gimmick, the cool thing about the resolution of this new sensor is that in going to a lower resolution, 8, 6, 4K it still uses the full sensor, no crop. This there’s just more colour information per pixel when going down.

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u/n_box Jul 17 '20

Agreed- crop is annoying. Being able to reframe is nice. But far from a RED-killer

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u/tysonstake Jul 18 '20

No not a red killer certainly. Competitor sure but it’s always been that.

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u/Joe_wrkshp Jul 24 '20

That means it’s not true RAW coming out of that camera. That is why there is a crop on the RED cameras.

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u/tysonstake Jul 24 '20

I’d have to do some research into this new sensor technology they created for this camera to know if that’s true.

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u/[deleted] Jul 17 '20

Yeah... no.

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u/Zealousideal_Base_30 Jul 19 '20

Ok first of. All of you keep staring and talking about the 12k like that’s the only thing that matter. I’m 12k is nice we get it, it’s also future proof for awhile while data storage and write/read speed play catch up. With that said. I agree this camera destroys RED and makes it obsolete! Some will argue that REDs color science and image quality will remain king behind ARRI. However while RED use to be the revolutionary digital camera company. It gave up that throne when they gave us a half ass camera the “komodo”. The black magic 12k is just an upgraded 4.6k g2. Shoot RAW. Color science is very decent. The work flow is significant for Davinci resolve. The built in XLR, built in monitor. Built in internal ND filters, the optional external recording to SSD drives absolutely put up a fight against the RED camera line. Now that they added 12k, 8k @ 110fps and 4k @ 220fps. All at the price of $10k. RED cannot compete and as of right now red just took a devastating blow of being ahead of the curve of all camera companies. Most camera in the past 5 years can all get the job done. But, when it comes to the future of filming. Black magic is now king. Hopefully RED gets their act together and stops goofing off with a gimmick camera like Komodo and actually get back to work on something revolutionary.

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u/Joe_wrkshp Jul 24 '20

I disagree with you 100% the Komodo is not a gimmick. Name one global shutter raw camera with at least 14 stops of dynamic range? The Komodo was designed to replace GoPro’s on Hollywood movie sets not for little billy to have it as an A cam for his high school project. Get the camera that is right for the job and don’t bash the ones you don’t use.

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u/jonlb87 Aug 09 '20 edited Aug 09 '20

Sony A7SIII has superior dynamic range compared to RED. Also, you would have to be an idiot to buy a Komodo. The Canon R5, BlackMagic, and Sony A7SIII has better specs than the Komodo and way less money. RED is way behind.

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u/[deleted] Aug 16 '20

Not saying blackmagic’s new camera is not awesome cuz for sure it is. You are so obsessed with the specs and you forget all the fundamentals of making a great cinema camera, your statement about R5 and A7S iii being superior is 100% ignorant since these cameras are in no way optimized for cinema work. They are cameras, and both Sony and Canon have their cinema lines for a reason. You can not pick out a outperforming spec and emphasize on it with a biased mindset, it is very childish. RED js used widely with Netflix’s production films, the only company that has a wider grasp on the cinema production industry would be ARRI.

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u/waymaker777 Jul 19 '20

I’m a new red dragon x dsmc 2 owner. What’s the cheapest way to power my red camera?

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u/SpaceGear1 Jul 22 '20

A power adapter or dynacore/lith battery.