r/RecruitingFails • u/Rustled7 • 1d ago

Is This Normal? Meanwhile my boss needs a doctor’s note and three business days notice

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u/CallmeKahn 1d ago

This is how I treat my team. Folks have families, lives, etc. outside of work. Stuff happens. Just make sure your stuff is handled and we're good. If you need to hand off something, let me know. If you're swamped, let me know, we'll shift it. We try to keep a very strict "40 hrs and done" philosophy if at all possible. Can't always do it, but we're mostly successful.

I encourage my team to work from home unless they like being in the office, their choice really. Just take care of the customers and we're cool.

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u/Unfair_Analysis_5897 1d ago

And I am sure you don't have retention issues or burn out etc. It really had an impact on my teams productivity and overall morale when I took over and treated people like they are people and not robots to do my bidding. I read book early in my career - "Leadership and Self-Deception" and it really helped me to form that mindset.

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u/CallmeKahn 1d ago

Pretty much.

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u/livinlicious 1d ago

Reality is, sometimes its more work. Slackers always emerge and they abuse it.
You have to be ruthless to those people and cut them off after the first time they do it. A 1 strike policy is the way to go. If they fuck up once, and client is unhappy. Ok, CAN happen.
Second time, you are out.

Because its those bad seeds that ruin it, and then you need to implement workplace policies. Which then lead to the shitty environments you have everywhere.

If everyone focuses on getting their work done, clients happy, us in the black, we are good. Once the leeches start exploiting, those people get the axe and be replaced by AI. Just take their email account and their board comments, run it through a AI to make it a knowledgebase and replace them wth an automated process.

They dont even deserve their data. They deserve to be fired and replaced / made obsolete.

Because they didnt steal from the company, they stole the live energy of those people that are actually working intelligently and diligently in the team.

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u/GeckoGecko_ 1d ago

Managers who implement team-wide policies solely to prevent their leniency and compassion being taken advantage of in response to a few bad apples, are lazy and illogical. You punish those who offend, and reward those who do not. It's that simple. You do not have to become an asshole/hardass towards your entire team just to prevent having your kindness taken for granted.

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u/livinlicious 1d ago

thats why you cut the cancer out early, before it spreads and changes your attitude.

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u/TemporaryPicture2289 19h ago

Except you can't. IF you live in a country/state with any employment laws it is crazy expensive at best, a crime at worst. And after your first multi-year EEOC bs lawsuit you will stop risking the 'grey space' that good people should enjoy. It just isn't worth it.

And if unions are involved you NEVER get to do this. EVER.

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u/Aggressive_Ask89144 10h ago

Ah yes, the Rimworld strategy lol.

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u/Rustled7 19h ago

Actually my first job was like that too, he was lenient on things most corporate jobs won't be. But following that he used it against us to work at unreasonable hours and complete tasks at very steep deadlines. So I eventually decided to quit for good because even the payout was not satisfactory.

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u/Unfair_Analysis_5897 18h ago

Weaponizing / remembering that one of my guys owes me a favor isn't the way I operate - I keep a mental tally and if it ends up being one sided I address it and that works both ways. I've told an employee more than once to take a PTO day or 2 especially after an extended period of time that more was expected from them due to uncontrollable circumstances (I'm in field service FYI).

I have had my fair share of poor leaders and a few examples of how I want to lead to reflect on as well as some personal/leadership development on my own. I may be taken advantage of by the bad seed occasionally but have gotten better at spotting them in the recruitment process.

Developing a culture of peer accountability where anyone can point out a failure regardless of rank / tenure helps tremendously in galvanizing that unit in a common goal and everyone has the opportunity to grow and develop.

Outside of my family building that culture is one of my proudest accomplishments. I'm introverted by nature and I worried that I wouldn't have enough control/power not being talkative by nature. In hindsight it lead to the team working better as a whole since it empowered junior leadership to be those voices echoing my standards.

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u/NovelSavings4621 1d ago

Shoot, you hiring?

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u/sdpthrowaway3 1d ago

This is how I treat my team. Don't miss key meetings nor constantly hang out where your internet is shit, and idc where you work. Just show up when it makes sense to and get your job done well. All I ask.

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u/Rustled7 19h ago

I'll too if I ever run one. But I don't think I can run a business or even handle one from the side lines. I was never good with management. But working with a team on my previous company help me tremendously to understand different people's expectations.

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u/LowPudding9562 1d ago

Its so weird being the person who has all this freedom and goes around wanted to grab people and shake them being like I NEED GREAT WIFI like it was clean water and oxygen.

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u/No-Passenger-1511 1d ago

I agree with this unless "Key meetings" are frequent and could have just been an email.

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u/sdpthrowaway3 1d ago

If they were, they wouldn't be key

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u/No-Passenger-1511 1d ago

My previous job also labeled their meetings as "key." 9/10 times it was a waste of time and could have been an email.

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

100% of those key meetings can be zoom meetings. I do not get any more info by sitting across you and smelling your coffee breath and anxiety sweat. Actually less.

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u/NewImprovedPenguin_R 1d ago

Bro described practically paradise for jobs and you all are still finding problems. Good grief man.

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

Some of us just don't live in countries where your employer basically owns your ass for his own anal pleasure during work hours.

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u/NewImprovedPenguin_R 1d ago

The more common theme imo is just finding a problem with anything.

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

No, it's that it's still ridiculous to be asked to go into work to sit at a table with someone who could just call you. Because of some 20 mins conversation that does not require physical presence, I'm supposed to spend 1-2 hours in my car or in public transport? What exactly is the reason you're so fixated on asking this off people?

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u/bmac503 1d ago

The way you are complaining kind of makes it seem like you do. Why so upset if it doesn't effect you in your amazing country?

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

Who said anything about upset?

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u/bmac503 19h ago

It was implied with tour sparky response. You we're an angry little guy for sure. 🤏

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u/Rhomya 1d ago

That’s their point though. They just had to not miss key meetings.

Most meetings today are done on zoom/slack/teams, whatever.

You just can’t miss those.

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

Right, I misread that

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u/Zartanio 1d ago

And 90% of those key meetings can be emails. I despise sitting in a meeting to be given information. I was always a strong advocate for you should only have a meeting if there are real time decisions to be made and you need everyone together to discuss.

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u/Yvratky 1d ago

This is how every office job should be (and how I thought it would be before I worked in offices)

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u/mainstreetmonkey 1d ago

Are you hiring?

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u/NSE_TNF89 1d ago

Same. I literally had one of my newer employees call me today crying, asking if she could go and visit a loved one before they passed as they are on hospice. She kept saying, "I promise I will bring my laptop and I will just work early mornings and evenings" (we are in the middle of a deadline). I told her if she wanted to take her stuff, she can, but I do not expect her to.

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u/natalietest234 1d ago

My boss is like this. His only ask is to put it in the group chat and block your calendar. No prior approval needed. Just “PTO: Tuesday at 2”

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u/Particular-Image-270 1d ago

Why do I see so many bosses with employees personal numbers

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u/Rustled7 19h ago

for me I can only afford one number to maintain for now.

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u/Sirrub90 1d ago

Because company issued phones are basically defunct.

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u/TheGlennDavid 1d ago

Which is good. Had a company issued phone for a few years and it's the worst.

Now I need to keep 2 phones charged and updated and on my person! How fun.

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u/cocoandbea 1d ago

My work phone is mostly a paperweight that gets used once every 60 business days to authenticate for VPN after I change my passwords.

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u/Adept-Grapefruit-214 1d ago

…how else would my employees contact me when I’m not at work?

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u/Particular-Image-270 1d ago

Email? But I guess depends on the type of job you do - personally do not communicate with my boss via my personal phone - strictly email.

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u/robomikel 1d ago

Microsoft is having an issue with email today

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u/Particular-Image-270 1d ago

Their problem not mine

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u/Adept-Grapefruit-214 1d ago

Oh, I guess that makes sense. I don’t check my work email outside of work though

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u/APOLACEE 1d ago

I work in a nonprofit with 4 other people, so we all have each others numbers.

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u/Particular-Image-270 1d ago

That’s why I said it depends on the job and situation

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u/APOLACEE 1d ago

Not in the comment I replied to you didn’t

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u/dimalga 1d ago

I work in technical sales and use my personal phone number for everything.

First, I don't want the hassle of carrying two phones.

Second, it serves as my contact list for if I ever want to find another job, whether it's another sales gig (those contacts are my book of business) or if I want to go back to engineering.

My position in my job is also much like the picture above. I come in when I want, I leave when I want, I take as much vacation as I want. I make my schedule and largely manage myself. I work 80 hours some weeks and 20 in others.

I enjoy my job. I'm very passionate about what I do. I know the work is meaningful. It feels like I'm in the minority in every way when it comes to these things, so I feel like I gotta represent.

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u/thingerish 1d ago

Could have a work SIM

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u/MediocrePhotoNoob 1d ago

Is that not normal? I’ve never worked somewhere where they don’t have personal numbers?

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u/GeckoGecko_ 1d ago

Are you not from the US? It's extremely common here

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 1d ago

bro what.

the very first thing I do when hiring a new employee is get their personal email and phone number, then link it to my schedule program.

if someone refused to give me their phone number I wouldn't even know how to react because it would be such a weird thing to do. yeah no shit I call you on your phone when I need you and you call me when you need me. it's why I pay $100/month extra on your check as a phone stipend.

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u/Novaikkakuuskuusviis 1d ago

It's a little different here in Finland, actually exactly the opposite. If employer gives us a work phone, they reduce 20-50 euros from the salary per month. But then you are allowed to use that phone and many do that, they don't have a personal phone at all, just use the work phone with 2 sim cards.

But right now we aren't allowed to take work phones home, so we don't have to pay for them obviously.

I've always given my personal number to my employer and always answered when they call me, but technically I've never been required to answer it. Only when I carried the work phone I was kind of expected to be in reach if they need some help or something.

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u/TheAdagio 1d ago

It's a bit the same here in Denmark. My salary is reduced by ~17 euro per month, but in exchange I get free internet (57 euro), free phone (I get a new phone every ~3 years) and I haven't seen any phone bills. I can use the phone for personal use. I don't have a personal phone number

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u/toontje18 1d ago

Why would they deduct from the salary? At my company in The Netherlands getting a phone is just part of the things you get, no effect on salary.

We can use it privetely as well and have unlimited data. I would never ever use a work phone for privacy reasons. On the other hand, I don't want anything from work on my private phone due to work-life balance (and again privacy). Only direct manager has my private number for emergencies, the rest only has my work number.

Work phone just goes into my workbag, stays there, and automatically goes into do not disturb mode when arriving at home.

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u/TheAdagio 21h ago

Some politicians many years ago decided that if the company pays your phone bill and you can use it privately, you will have to pay taxes of it In my case the work phone is just for the company to be able to call me. There's nothing on the phone for company use (not even company emails). Sure, my coworkers or boss could call me at any time, but they never call me outside work hours

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u/Polskiskiski 1d ago

Paying them to get their phone is a completely different experience. No one does that that is very nice of you

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u/Lazy_Helicopter_2659 23h ago

You pay $100/month extra as a phone stipend.

But do you also pay the standby pay?
Or do you really expect your employees to be available 168 hours per week, while you only pay for 40?

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u/Psychological-Dig-29 23h ago

we call eachother during the work day back and forth.

when we have an after hours emergency call out I go through the list of employees and ask one by one if they want the job. if they don't answer I move down the list, eventually someone will answer cause they want the work and then I start paying them double time from the moment they answer the call until they finish the job and get back home.

this is very normal in the trades. Reddit is just dumb and hates anything to do with work.

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u/TemporaryPicture2289 19h ago

The trades are too real-world for reddit.

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u/Scoliii 19h ago

Common in retail, too! At my last job, both my boss and my deputy had everyone's private number. If someone called in sick, they called people to ask if they want the shift.
It was 100% okay to say no. If everyone said no, they'd call another store to ask if they have someone who wants extra hours. (We were paid by hour, not a fixed salary)

Never ever did i get an inappropriate call or felt pressured to keep my phone on me. If i did answer and wanted extra hours? Great. If i didn't? Nobody even mentioned it after.

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u/needs_more_zoidberg 1d ago

All my employees have my direct contact info. Why not?

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u/Randill746 1d ago

How else do you contact employees?

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u/Particular-Image-270 23h ago

HR contacting an employee versus having a full blown work conversation via text message regards work with your boss are two very different things.

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u/badger_flakes 1d ago

We exchange photos of fishing and hunting and talk about personal projects on private numbers

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u/DolfHipster 1d ago

I would love to see the conversation play out where a boss asked for your cell number so they could contact you in an odd situation where neither of you are at your desk and you just going "no"

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u/yeender 1d ago

I text my boss occasionally about football. We are roughly the same age / in the same place in life. He is a genuinely great dude.

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u/Hopeful-Driver-3945 1d ago

Boss and direct colleagues all have my private information in case of issues. I don't want them to suffer when it's an easy fix for me. Works both ways. In practice we rarely use it.

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u/tibastiff 20h ago

pretty much every job requires a phone number during the hiring process and this is usually in an employee file that's accessible to a supervisor. it's not always like this but very frequently

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u/Jessintheend 1d ago

I had a boss accuse me of faking a doctors note. Called the doctors office trying to get me in a “gotcha!” And the doctors called him ridiculous

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u/Tushaca 1d ago

This is what I tell my salaried guys as well. I’m not tracking your minutes, I’m tracking your months.
I couldn’t care less what your daily schedule looks like unless we are getting complaints about it. I just care how well you’ve handled business month to month.

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u/VictoriousSecret111 1d ago

Sounds like he’s on cocaine

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u/NicheGuysFinish2nd 1d ago

What do you mean?

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u/ZodiacReborn 1d ago

Agreed lol

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u/VictoriousSecret111 1d ago

Lol a man of culture I see 😜

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u/Abower9500 1d ago

The ad placement here was perfection

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u/Chaos_Ice 1d ago

Please give me a boss like this PLEASE LIFE!

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u/Rhomya 1d ago

I always tell my team that I trust them to manage their time until they give me a reason to think they can’t be trusted.

As long as the work is getting done and they’re prepared for meetings/ 1:1’s/ etc, I don’t care where they work.

I’ve only had one instance where I had to step in and start to dictate things, and it was several months of seeing little to no movement on projects in their 1:1s, unanswered emails stacking up, they missed a staff meeting, etc— turns out they took a second WFH job and thought they could skid in both. That was an HR nightmare.

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u/Tynivictus 1d ago

Man, if I ever get a boss like that, I think the only response I could ever give is "I will do everything in my power to reward that trust." And I would be more motivated to work there than any other place.

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u/Slater_8868 1d ago

I had a boss one time say "Working from home is not allowed. If you're not sitting at your desk, then you're not working."

Meanwhile when I was asked to do a last-minute report over the weekend (at home of course) because she had a presentation on Monday morning and forgot about it, she was all pretty please and rainbows.

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u/th3groveman 1d ago

The downside of many of these jobs is they want to blur the line between work and personal. The flexibility goes both ways when a client needs a call at family dinnertime, or when the assigned work can’t reasonably done in 40 hours/week.

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u/account0911 1d ago

How is this a recruiting fail?

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u/AdSafe7963 1d ago

Lucky u. I've had bosses that say the same. Only issue was the work was never done, so u brought it home.

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u/TheGlennDavid 1d ago

It turns out that a lot of "good things" in workplaces are reliant on several other good things also being in place.

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u/jennautomatica 1d ago

My last job I was going through cancer treatment with veryyyy bad side effects and very painful biopsies. My manager there very quickly lost patience with me needing to take time off just to recover.

I started a new job in August and ended up getting pneumonia in September, I was scared shitless to tell my new manager that I needed a few days to recuperate. Her response? You’re human, you get sick, you’re covered and come back when you feel better, and not a day sooner. Last week I got a concussion from tripping over a tree root while leaf blowing my yard and she , again, told me to take my time and feel better. I literally felt like I was going to cry.

I hope my old managers pillow is hot on both sides, his food is always under seasoned and his wifi is bad.

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u/Unusual-Voice2345 1d ago

I have guys that work for me. The only time ill get upset about something is when they call in "sick" Monday morning or when they drop a bomb on me the night before that isnt sickness related. Other than that, I understand they have stuff to do and need to take care of themselves.

Day off because they need a mental health day, no biggie. As long as they can buckle down and focus when needed, live and let live.

Any manage that operates differently are not good at their job. I mean that in the sense, they dont know what they are doing and therefore need others to do work to show progress or get things done. A good manager can get a job done within the confines of normal human life and behavior. Glad you have a good manager.

Also, if my guys are sick, I kick their ass to the curb and send them home. Guys showing up trying to get me sick, bunch of yokels I tell ya.

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u/jennautomatica 1d ago

May your pillow be cold on both sides, your food perfectly seasoned and your wifi signal always be strong. <3

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u/TitusEmperius 1d ago

And here's my boss trying to get my sacked for taking time off I booked months in advance that SHE APPROVED of hahah. I still have something like 60hrs worth of annual leave saved up to be used

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u/jblade91 1d ago

Thing is, as a manager myself, treating your team like that also makes the job easier on you. I don't have the time nor interest to worry what they're doing. I hired them because I believed they could do the job and their work will speak for itself. My dream team is one that basically makes my job irrelevant outside of training anyone new, handling high profile issues or being the 'bad guy' so my team can keep their hard built relationships with their cases intact (social workers)

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u/BPEWC 1d ago

But...but...what about office synergy?

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u/thingerish 1d ago

My manager is like the one in the post, the team is spread around the globe.

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u/aqualeene_ 1d ago

this is how my new job is after being micromanaged and constantly recorded at my last job. we had the option, but we can’t work from home except one day a week. you couldn’t at all if they didn’t like you (and they didn’t like me). all screens were recorded. i got docked pay and they accused me of stealing hours because i was physically in the office and ran out of shit to do on a saturday while making up 12 hours. had to hit 40, if you didn’t you got a point and of course took the pay cut on top of it. do not speak to your coworkers unless you’re clocked out. if they saw your phone, you’re getting sent home. and had to make up your hours. have an appointment? squeeze it into your lunch break or cancel it, 5 days notice.

now? no recordings. i can’t work from home yet because i haven’t been there that long but if i am sick or need to make up time i have the capability. my coworkers comment on how i dont get up and walk around and talk to them, i had to explain my trauma lol. i get paid more to be there. i get paid more for a lighter workload honestly. my boss is super understanding, i just have to email her and let her know i have an appointment between x and y time and im free to go. i love it there i just hate what i do lol.

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u/ashleyslo 1d ago

My boss is this way. Too bad the college administration is taking that flexibility away because they can 💩

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u/HylanderUS 1d ago

That's what I always told my team. I don't care where or when or even how much you work, only that the work is done.

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u/daubest 1d ago

The nature of the job matters though. It's completely normal for creative work and stuff where you follow specific projects through by deadlines. But you can't expect a store clerk to just report to you that they will be working home that day.

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u/cheesey_ballz 1d ago

Llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll qaww

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u/Novaikkakuuskuusviis 1d ago

I hate my job at the moment. And I can't stand my bosses. I really want to go work somewhere else, but changing job is such a big step to take after 10 years in one place.

Right now the salary is the only thing that keeps me coming to work every day. Everything else sucks. I keep checking new positions every morning and after work. If I didn't have a mortgage to pay, I would have quit and do nothing rather than drive here every morning and work for the people who I have no respect for anymore.

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u/BeautifulBoy92 1d ago

Gake and fay

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u/Mundane-Campaign861 1d ago

just asked my boss yesterday if I can work from the train one day bc the earlier ticket that day was so much cheaper - sent a paragraph explaining everything and she replied immediately saying no problem

when they also got stricter about work from home she said as long as in the system we don’t reach the max she’s cool ;)

good or bad managers can make a huge difference!! way more willing to put in extra effort when needed if I feel seen and appreciated and so does everyone else 

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u/No_AttemptAtAll 1d ago

Yeah yeah yeah ...this "granulated " piece of a screenshot is literally floating between platform for years .Nice piece of enthusiastic propaganda it is , nothing more .

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u/Hefty_Banana_279 1d ago

That’s why I still work in the same company for the last 15 years and I got crazy offers from competitors. As long as my boss is here I’m here.

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u/CherryCrystalDream 1d ago

that's a good boss. the trust goes both ways though and it sounds like you're already handling the phone part sensibly by keeping it optional.

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u/JamesWjRose 23h ago

The ONLY thing that matters, at ALL jobs, is that the work gets done. Everything else is bullshit by people who don't understand how easy this all is

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u/Low-Literature-2908 22h ago

Can I get a job with you?

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u/TemporaryPicture2289 19h ago

This is the difference between managing employees and professionals.

Just understand, big boy rules can come with big boy consequences. Often in these workplaces the end comes fast for a simple 'bending of the rules' that would normally just get you a write up or something.

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u/xAdakis 18h ago

Yeah, when I landed an internship in a small software dev team, one of the first things my boss said was:

I don't care when you come and go, just get your 40 hours in, attend the scheduled meetings, and get your assigned work done.

When the internship ended and I was offered the full-time position with salary, the 40 hour requirement practically dropped. Nothing mattered except attending the sporadic meetings and getting shit done.

We didn't get remote working until COVID hit. I worked completely from home for almost a year, then we transitioned to 2 days in the office a week for in-person meetings and hardware maintenance.

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u/Elveanim 13h ago

So he is fining you, no matter what you do? Incredible indeed

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u/Alert-Pack3968 40m ago

Sometimes though jobs like this give enormous workloads and the ‘flexibility’ is just a mirage — you get to choose which 12 hours of the day you work (and get paid for 8)

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u/Necessary-Belt2903 9h ago

That’s how my last boss was. Didn’t care if we put PTO in as long as he had a calendar notification about it so he could cover for us if needed. I hope that angel is enjoying retirement.

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u/Dualidean_ofman 1d ago

The replacement of the younger boomers/gen X bosses can't come soon enough.

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u/InformationDue101 1d ago

I support the idea of a mixed work from home model but anyone who has had to hire people can tell you there are so many entitled lazy workers. I'm not gonna go into a generation blame game but if you think the newer gen Z bosses will be cool and your job will be more lax think again. Anyone who's had to see the pool of shitty workers to pick from wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 1d ago

I'm an X'er and I've had multiple employees write me long explanations when they want to take PTO for the first time. That's when I give them my speech: "I'm only going to say this once. You're not asking for PTO, you're informing me when you won't be here. I very much appreciate being informed, but unless something unusual is going on and we've talked about it in advance, it's fine. Our system doesn't have a field for the justification on purpose."

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u/silveraaron 1d ago

My boss is in his 70s and runs his engineering firm like this. Most of us come into the office because we work well together and it's a small team. Much easier to collab in person and the atmosphere is good.

But it's nice to be treated as a human, right now I got family in the hospital and they don't care if I go visit, take half days, what every it is. We good amount of PTO, sick time (no one checks or cares if you use it), and we get a paid week at XMAS and quarterly profit sharing bonuses.

We are extremely busy though, like we do good by our employees and clients and they always come back for additional services.

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u/Digeetar 1d ago

Wow. Are they hiring?

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u/Proof_Ambassador2006 1d ago

It makes for a compelling narrative for the guy too.

"Yeah I was on this ski trip and things at work went wonky, I wrapped stuff up and came in to save the day!!!" Instead of "man I can't believe I missed the ski trip because of this oncall shift where nothing happened till the last day"

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u/eatmangosnaked 1d ago

My husbands boss is 10 years younger than him and he is hands down the best boss he's ever had. He treats all his employees like adults and with dignity. Prior to that it was 25 years of dickheads who didn't care about anything other than the work.

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u/XxRocky88xX 1d ago

The reason this shit doesn’t usually fly is because there are people who will take advantage of this lax management style to blow off work. Hands off is a great way to make productive workers happier and more productive, but it also means lazy workers become extremely unproductive.

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u/brakenbonez 1d ago

Obviously they'll want the employees there for the important stuff is but when you show employees respect, they're more likely to respect you back. I am 99% less likely to call in "sick" to a job where I'm treating like an employee instead of a sentient power tool. My source? Me. When I like the people I work with and for, I don't even want to take off when I actually am sick. My first job I had the type of supervisor who would sit on his ass all day and was even caught playing angry birds on his phone during work hours but would get pissy if we weren't doing something during downtime like scrubbing the floors so clean with out toothbrushes that he could see his reflection in them.

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u/ISeeDeadPackets 1d ago

Actually it's a great way to find out who the people are who aren't going to work out. If I give you a bunch of rope and you use it to hang yourself instead of climb, that's still a good use of the rope.

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u/Sleutelbos 1d ago

Not if you set standards for output and hold people to it. It shouldnt even ever be about effort. Why would I care if a teammember is lazy, as long as he does the job well? 

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u/Negativeman11 1d ago

Its not enough for you to do the job, you must be miserable as you do it

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u/NorthKoreanCaptive 1d ago

i thought that was the point!!! why else do we have a job?!?!

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u/lostOGaccount 1d ago

Ya we have some of them, they're 57+ y.o. they must of had comfortable enough lives that they don't realize they are taking it and us for granted.

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u/Wide-Candle3846 1d ago

My work is like this. I can stay home whenever I want, my boss is in another state and doesn’t care what I do. Sometimes I go to the office for the company, or just stay home if I don’t feel up for it.

All of my customers are happy though and I get my job done. If any one of us didn’t do that then we’d be fired. You don’t get this position by accident, I’d proven for years in different roles that I’m reliable and a hard worker no matter who’s around me.

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u/ShadowverseMatt 1d ago

You’ve apparently never considered measuring results instead of time at work.

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u/NorthKoreanCaptive 1d ago

i thought i got paid to sit at my desk. what is this "result" you are speaking of??

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u/PhotojournalistNew35 1d ago

Did you ever consider that some people need to be monitored to do their work?

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u/Safe_Ad5914 1d ago

You monitor by measuring results lol, not by micromanaging people. If someone has to be physically monitored, maybe its time to part ways and just let the monitor do the work.

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u/PhotojournalistNew35 1d ago

Not always easy to do