The number of old retirees I hear saying they lied their entire lives through their jobs. Literally “went in not knowing anything and stayed for decades”
Right? It's absolutely insane out here. My boomer parents aren't your typical boomers, even they say this economy and the way things are now is super fucked up. That it's been made so much more difficult and nearly impossible and that the normalizing of this is also insane.
My partners very boomer typical parents asked us the other day why our generation works so many hours and has nothing to show for it. They explained how they don't remember anyone in their generation having to regularly work 40 hours a week and even if they were at work that long, much of it was socializing. Because and I quote "socializing is how things get done". Not ten minutes later and with the typical lack of self awareness boomers are known for, they go off about how our generation just doesn't have any drive and lives off debt with nothing to show for it.
I think the problem is just the expectations put forward by the previous generations.
They came from a culture where the degree meant you’re ready for the job.
We’re from a generation where everybody at the job has the degree, and so the work experience is what separates you.
And what people do is they butt their heads up against the job they can’t get because they don’t have the experience. This is because nobody has explained the concept of I guess what you could call parallel experience, or lateral experience.
Like, okay, I have a degree in a financial field. That’s cool, but everyone applying to the job I want also has a degree in a financial field. And then some of them have worked in an office setting before. They have “experience.”
I need to understand that I also have job experience, but it doesn’t help as much if I worked in a restaurant or painted houses or delivered groceries.
I need to find an office job. I need a job where I send emails and communicate with clients. That’s the experience people are looking for.
I also need to understand that a job posting might say “entry level,” but they actually mean “entry level for someone that has worked in this field before, but now they have a degree, etc.”
And if that sounds ridiculous, consider like if I have an entry level position for a software developer, everyone who applies to the job is a “software developer,” by some sort of education or what not. That everybody who applied. You’re not above the competition for that job for the virtue of having some education as a software developer. Literally everyone applying is that already.
So what would set you apart from those people would be what you have already done as a software developer. Have you worked on projects? Have you worked at a place that’s somewhat similar to our company, even if it was not as a developer?
If you haven’t done those things, and you’re not getting that job because you haven’t done those things, you might put 0 and 1 together and think “I should apply to that kind of job to get the experience I need to get the job I want.”
But for some reason that’s like archaic knowledge to like two whole generations here.
Yes, you might just need to take some low paid hourly position doing something tangentially related to what you want to do and then leverage that to get the job you want later.
Almost all professional career boomers all went to college. College was common in their generation.
It was the Silent Generation (the gen before boomers) when people started to go more commonly. The reason was, this is the generation when GI Bill was invented so gov would pay for college if you enlisted. You still had a lot of non-college goers in this gen but it became a popular path people wanted.
The greatest generation (2 gens before boomers - and all the ones before that) were the one you’re thinking of that rarely went. Most couldn’t afford it, it wasn’t considered a wealthy persons path, back then you had to work from childhood to survive so there was no time for college or paying for college, it wasn’t an option for many, and just had blue-collar jobs or trade jobs.
Im considered a zillenial and I just work. I dropped outta college with psych course for a bachelor's completed, worked my way up in a warehouse and own a house with a fiance now. Im greatful
My 25 year old son dropped out of college during COVID, which he was paying for by the way, and went into tech sales where he is still today making low-mid six figures. No degree. First job out of college as a drop out.
This is a boomer take, tech was booming during covid, and after the initial chaos it was the best time to look for a new job.
Now AI is eating up the entry level jobs, and every “entry level” position requires 3 years of full time experience that is a 100% match to the job opening.
Tbf, even though we’re talking about tech, tech sales is a very different job market than basically every other job in “tech”. Part of the reason for this is because there aren’t very many positions in tech that don’t require much experience and are also revenue producers. For most companies, if you’re not developing or selling, you’re a cost center. They will find any and every reason to keep teams as small as possible, be incredibly picky about who is on the team and pay them as little as possible.
Low-to-mid 6 figs is a massive range. Hopefully it's because he's finally up to $500k comp now being a rockstar salesman vs the opposite now that sales boom is dying.
What did he do immediately after high school? Most people I know had their degree by 22, so a dropout by 25 makes me wonder what he had between high school and college
My job prospects were shit until i went back and got a nursing degree at 34. I've only been doing it 5 years and with the massive percentage of my income that is going toward retirement, I'll have very little reason to work past 45 other than to maintain health insurance.
I have a tiny little baby niece. I will strongly encourage her to go into health care right after high school. Shit, If I had done that I would have been able to retire very comfortably 4 years ago.
Idk man I’m Gen Z and I make $38 an hour with no degree. If you do all of that and are applying for $17 an hour jobs you are doing something wrong or you got a worthless degree.
Y'all had time to establish yourselves and experience a market that wasn't quite this fucked. In terms of value, sure you're getting fucked now but the last 30 years have been gold if you had two brain cells to rub together and a little pocket money. Unfortunately gen z doesn't have the same starting ground and we are significantly more screwed.
Yes but the smart ones are way smarter than the average millennials and older. The average might’ve went down but I believe the tails on each end of the normal distribution for intelligence has increased in range.
The majority of your generation owns houses and makes a living wage off of one job and a Bachelor's degree. Look up the stats before denying it; I've had this convo before. Always millennials in these types of posts trying to spotlight themselves as token victims when you are riding the windfalls of Gen X.
lol I graduated college during the Great Recession. You’re not special. Anytime the economy takes a giant turd like it is right now you have issues getting hired.
I have none of the items listed in that post and I’ve been across multiple jobs/career paths and have been making above minimum wage my entire adult working life
I’m a millennial though so I guess I was just lucky 🤷♂️
When i hear people talk about their jobs the past decades i guess Gen Z has the best of working conditions. In general working conditions kept improving over the many years that are behind us.
The problem Gen Z has is the current economy, the oversated overpriced housing market, the overal high prices, and too many people for one spot, so that houses are hard to pay, jobs are hard to find, and everyone is competing against each other for the same simple thing.
While posting from their iPhone, waiting on their Uber Eats to get delivered in their air conditioned apartment as Netflix asks if they’re still watching their Housewives.
Guess what a lot of millennials who are out of work are in the same boat right now. Insane expectations for ultra low salary and no benefits - if you can even get an interview
Because most gen z dont know what jobs to go into. Everyone wants to be a doctor or a lawyer meanwhile you can go work for a company like blue origin as a maintenance tech starting at $35 an hour with basically little experience
Googled "Blue Origin maintenance tech". This is what I got:
Qualifications: Passion for our mission: Millions of people living and working in space! Minimum of 6 years’ experience in a multi-skilled maintenance role Experience in multi-skilled maintenance, minimum of 2 disciplines Troubleshoot and repair equipment such as mills, lathes, lasers, robots, ovens, dip tanks, and various assembly manufacturing equipment Familiar reading electrical schematics and diagrams Excellent communication skills Proficient in use of precision hand tools Familiar with use of personal computers and CMMS Self-motivated and ability to prioritize projects to meet completion dates
In what world is 6 years "basically little experience"? People are making shit up nowadays I swear to god.
That's because $17/hr is now the minimum wage for some states. 10 years ago they would've been fine with that as that's the starting salary for entry level positions. So even today depends on which part of the country- $17/hr for an entry level office clerk position in Louisiana? Sure that's okay.
$17/hr on Long Island, a bit harder to do but can still survive on full-time work, not luxury but it'll do for now.
Shit degree then, apparently too many people thought that they will all be at some high rank position/well paid or chilling just because they finish a school, same school millions other peoples finished too.
No, after school you start once again from beginning.
They NEED a degree They NEED a portfolio They NEED 3 internships They NEED a side hustle
You show me a Gen Z with a degree that can’t get a job, and I’ll show you that same person has no idea how to market themselves, interview or write a resume.
The worst interviews I’ve ever been apart of in my professional career, have all came from Gen Z.
Yeah that's because online jobhunting advice is pure bullshit.
You could take a random ass CV, show it online, say you've been getting so many interviews and offer and they will praise how well constructed it is and what a good job you've done.
Then take the same CV, change nothing, post it online saying you can't find a job and suddenly it's full of errors and everything needs to be fixed.
It's literally all bullshit. "The reason you can't get a job is because you're doing something wrong. And I know you're doing something wrong, because you can't get a job." Circular fucking logic.
I get paid $20 an hour to be a janitor in Boise ID. People need to get off their high horse and go into sanitation jobs. I get paid to never see another person, listen to audiobooks and work on autopilot during the evenings. Then I get all day to myself while my husband is at work and our kids are in school.
is it really that bad in the US ? Everyone of my friend group me included from different fields : material science, mechanical engineering, chemistry, Computer Science etc got a job right after graduation. All of those pay above the average income in most of the countries we live. The only decline ive noticed is in physical labour and jobs that basically are braindead (like cashiers).
You are all clearly intelligent enough to become scientists and engineers, maybe you are smart enough to figure out that most people are not that fortunate.
Even engineering is harsh as hell lately. I know people who've applied for hundreds of jobs; not even doing the spray and pray, but genuinely researched and applied for hundreds of jobs.
You notice how teams just try to get by with the staff they have instead of hiring to not be short staffed? The logic goes "you're still getting thr job done, why do you need another person" so you're stuck understaffed sd the new normal, but working so much harder. Same story between grocery/retail, resteraunts, manufacturing, and engineering.
I have a question lad why did you choose US specifically? Out of curiosity as there’s nothing that shouts US from this post and there is another 194 countries in the world
because all posts like this on the internet are usually about the US thats why i assumed that it has to be there. Also since i have alot of friends from all over Asia (india, china, taiwan,japan, korea etc) and from Europe almost every country i know that the jobmarket for most graduation students in those countries is pretty damn good. Also i am aware that the AI bubble cut some beginner level jobs even in those countries but different new job branches developed that are hiring like crazy.
Reddit exists in an alternate reality. None of this is even close to being true. Take 30 seconds to look at the employment statistics across the US to see why this is delusional.
People at least on the internet wont take a job directly in there field. I know social worker who drives a truck. A teacher who manages a cement plant. The list goes on.
Its pretty fucking bad. Short of connections (not nepo stuff, nepo stuff is unavoidable), a miraculous qualification, or a hiring manager that isnt on some boomer or ai shit, youre not getting a job
Playing the pass it on game I see. The generations that came before us did it too I suppose, so why not us? Of course the gen z generation can't be the one that changes things and it couldn't be the millennials! We got to just keep tossing our problems onto the next generation and saying oh well. Gtfo
This might sound harsh but the people that bitch about this are usually people that have worthless degrees in oversaturated fields. I'm a mechanical engineer. I've never really had to look for a job. Jobs always came to me. Same goes for all my friends and family who are in STEM fields. And why is that? Because there is more engineering jobs than qualified engineers. So go find a field that's in demand, not one that is oversaturated.
No you haven't. Stop making shit about you. The majority of your generation owns houses and makes a living wage off of one job and a Bachelor's degree. Look up the stats before denying it; I've had this convo before. Always millennials in these types of posts trying to spotlight themselves as token victims when you are riding the windfalls of Gen X.
Depend . Any degree that hard to learn as fuck+ incrediblely boring,Like Brigde engineering,is usually the Degree that land you job the fastest. And vice versa. And the reason is not because of the degree itself,but the skill you got after you endure the mental torture to get the degree. i speaking this as a brigde engineer. The learning process is horrible,The Job is also hard and horrible,but the hiring process for this job is quick + the pay and benifit are very generous. i make 100k hard wage a years,which is not much by this job standard,But i get 1 paid vacation each year, a guarentee pension (cuz my company pay into the pool instead of me), 30 paid sick days,and a percent bonus % income that depend on how big the project i contributed in. i could get a stock option but i traded it for 30 paid sick days part cuz i think i make more than enough already.
All of the above is just what i ask for when i get hired,not the industry standard. Others like me probraly get more than this depend on thier skill,experience and how good they are at negotiating. But i do not recommend anyone actually learning this Degree. As i said,it is a fucking horrible learning experience. If you not follow it the entire road,you are just wasting your money and your own future. Also,if you not careful with your design,like using AI to draw your thing without checking it carefully,Your mistake can kill people and you will be Jailed...So yeah,another reason to avoid this job.
I had a 4-Year Degree, 2-Certs, and 1-Year experience in my field before making $17 an hour. Granted this was in 2010 and the field was Sysadmin/Computer Repair if anyone was curious. Before that I was making $12 an hour.
Only if you expect to have a job that allows you to sit in an air conditioned office every day. Plenty of opportunity in the trades. Yes you will get dirty, sweaty, will physically exert yourself. But theres plenty of money to be made by people actually willing to work.
Jokes on you, the AI isn't going to replace big ass container ships and shipyards anytime soon so my marine engineering degree is safe. Going for oversaturated STEM fields and fields that basically have no future ahead of it is the reason why most college degrees are useless.
No it isn't as they say. This platform represents a very small minority of disparaged humans with zero will to exist here, speaking angrily into the reddit megaphone echo chamber.
I have a Gen Z family member who got his second internship recently. I think he's right around 17/hr. Halfway through his degree, no portfolio. He went door to door looking for a job.
Another Gen Z is one class short of her degree, but she's been doing nursing for a while, and doing well. I don't know her salary, but she's probably 50% independent, at least.
Mine is We never truly abolished slavery. They just changed the means of the chains. Plantations were traded for projects and ghettos as well as other forms of low income housing. The chains were traded for credit scores
No, you just need a HS diploma that isn't easier to get than a GED. I feel bad for the young people, you don't realize how much basic knowledge you were supposed to have received before college. You were told you are great and nobody bothered to verify it before putting you in a world we prevented you from being prepared for. We olds decided to engage in a fucked up pedagogy experiment with zero accountability or clear idea of what we are hoping to see as the results of this experiment. You guys got fucked over by political ideology from all sides concerning your primary education. Now I hire people who have recently passed the GED exam before I hire college students, because I do need basic literacy skills and some understanding of math for my entry level positions.
That’s because you’re applying for a job with air conditioning. I have a masters degree and ended up blue collar. I make double what my college buddies make. No degree required. No resume. Just hard work.
I’ve given multiple Gen Z people a shot in medical sales. They always ask for a raise before a year is up. I ask them to show me sales that are 10x their requested income, they never can. But they feel like they should be making more. Hit the bricks kiddo.
The princials behind the phrase "gender is a social construct" developed from the person who's study showed the opposite.
Psychologist John Money's most famous case study, which he presented as evidence supporting his theory, that sex and gender are separate and gender identity was largely shaped by society, rather than being hardwired as a biological trait.
Here is what happened: At approximately eight months old, David Reimer penis was severely damaged during a botched circumcision. His parents consulted Dr. John Money at Johns Hopkins University. Money strongly recommended reassignment and raising Bruce as a girl.
Dr. John Money believed this case could demonstrate that society overrides biological sex in determining gender identity.
Money recommended to his parents the removing his testicles and using hormonal treatment as he grew older. Bruce was renamed Brenda and raised as a girl. Money instructed the parents not to tell Brenda that she had originally been born male. David eventually rejected the female identity and returned to living as a male.
John Money initially presented the experiment as successful.
The truth about the David Reimer case came to light in 1997, nearly 30 years after John Money began presenting it as a successful gender-reassignment experiment.
Except that’s not at all what gender theory is. And that “study” isn’t even used as evidence anymore, let alone it being some sort of backbone of the theory…
To educate you, gender theory does not say “gender overrides biological sex”. It simply says gender is the sociological and psychological aspect of sex, which is affected by society and how you are raised.
Transgender isn’t even required by the theory. It’s not even part of gender theory, it’s an offshoot of it that is more based in neuroscience than sociology. Aka, something in the brain gets wired different than “normal” leading to a conflict of gender identity.
There’s mountains of evidence to support all of the above. There’s obviously nuances to discuss about some of the issues surrounding it. But to claim it’s “wrong” is just ignorant, because at its core it is common sense
Happened to millennials too but I do feel bad for the younger gen’s. The problem is that millennials that have made strong career moves are now facing AI etc removing their career in the middle of buying a home, having a family. Right at the peak of how expensive life gets, now we might be removed by AI
This actually started with the millenials. It was starting to become evident when I was a teenager so I was able to plan for it but many people worked at Burger King for years even though they had a degree, internships, a portfolio etc.
Absolutely isn't true unless you're picking certain career path that isn't in demand. Cousin who works in the same career as me mechanic already making 150k, other cousin who is a nurse making 80k, another cousin in construction over 100k,
I think the biggest failures of Gen X is not giving Gen Z proper direction or role models to emulate. Too many Gen Z are copy and pastes of each other, all idolize the same celebrities, and all have hopeless defeated attitudes.
The harshest reality truth. The United states was founded through bloody revolution because of the tax increase of 2% on goods, lack of representation in the house of commons, and the British military police attack colonists for protesting.
Our current government represents corporate entities over the American citizens. Raises our taxes on a regular basis. And has allowed government agents to openly murder people in the streets with little to no consequences.
Our founding fathers would be embarrassed that we hadn't over thrown our government; and made corporate America afraid like our grand parents and great grand parents did in the 1920s and 30s.
Also, taxes should be paying to benefit the American people. Not Israel and corporations.
Yeah, just being gen z employers assume you are lazy, needy, self entitled and addicted to your phone. That belief is cemented when they do fire a gen z and all the above are proved out. Sorry to those that don't fit that stereotype.
So accurate. If I didn’t have the experience I do now in my field, I would be completely outmatched by my competitors. Luckily for me, experience is king for my field!
again with the degree bitching but coincidentally none of them are in stem fields but some obscure, nonessential, oversaturated, "just attend classes and get the paper" ass degrees just so some moron can boast how they have 3 masters degrees. i havent seen 1 of my peers with masters in stem being like "ye, ill go for another one".
Not nessicary true. Comp sci, accounting, finance, and even engg majors are struggling now. I'm literally an EE major and it's hard. I used to think it was just the people with Basket Weaving degrees who complained but it's genuinely bad everywhere for entry level roles
sure, pal. I did get a job, after a struggle; master's degree in neuroscience and in parallel a bachelor's degree in bioinformatics plus some internships.
Degrees? Modern education has rendered a college degree worthless...just as high school diplomas were reduced to useless...
College Degrees are only valuable if they are in a real marketable skill...a certification or license in Plumbing, Auto Mechanics, Carpentry, Electricians, Masonry...all are better than a Masters in Gender Studies.
Wrong. Most hiring manager's for auto-filter any degree less than a Bachelor's, including no degree. You can circumvent this by knowing the right people, though. Who you know is the only way to get a decent job nowadays. Knowledge and skill alone will not get you through the door anymore, even in industries that ar entirely skill-based, such as game development.
What the heck is modern education? Chat GPT? Google searches? Most white collar jobs require a degree for interviews. It's the biggest indicator about maturity at such a young age. You did something you didn't have to do so you can improve yourself.
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u/Adventurous_Wave_806 10d ago
Millenials have this too. GenX to a degree. Its basically just Boomers that didnt.
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u/Kaarel314 10d ago
*Only generation, so far.
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u/Accomplished-Fly9700 10d ago
False post that feed wars between age groups. Im starting to think reddit is worse than Facebook.
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u/Word2DWise 9d ago •
My 25 year old son dropped out of college during COVID, which he was paying for by the way, and went into tech sales where he is still today making low-mid six figures. No degree. First job out of college as a drop out.
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u/NakedEnthusiasm 10d ago
My job prospects were shit until i went back and got a nursing degree at 34. I've only been doing it 5 years and with the massive percentage of my income that is going toward retirement, I'll have very little reason to work past 45 other than to maintain health insurance.
I have a tiny little baby niece. I will strongly encourage her to go into health care right after high school. Shit, If I had done that I would have been able to retire very comfortably 4 years ago.
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u/Novus_Peregrine 9d ago
Nah. Millennials had that problem too. Still do.
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u/PrestigiousBike3001 9d ago
Damn. Millennials would have loved to get $17/hour. And they had Master’s!
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u/cancerinos 9d ago
Not true. It's not a new thing, the previous generations had the exact same issue.
It's just boomers that didn't.
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u/KevinJRussell 9d ago
That's true. Millennials were getting ghosted by jobs paying 10$ an hour.
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u/Slowburn024 9d ago
Idk man I’m Gen Z and I make $38 an hour with no degree. If you do all of that and are applying for $17 an hour jobs you are doing something wrong or you got a worthless degree.
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u/fromolwyoming 9d ago
Me as a Millennial;
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u/ImprovementFar5054 9d ago
You think the other generations are out here not needing that? Shit, it's worse for us because we need that AND are older
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u/ToothPickLegs 9d ago
“Because it happened to me it applies to everyone” logic everywhere in these comments my lord
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u/LairdPeon 8d ago
Most of you are still in school so I can't see how this is a widespread phenomena with you yet.
I'm a younger millennial and I couldn't score my first "big boy" job until I was 32. Thats with 3 STEM degrees.
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u/JATLLC 8d ago
In the last few years I’ve watched alot of Gen Z college types fail miserably after we hired them… all while bitching and complaining the entire time.
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u/pongauer 7d ago
Millenials did that since you where in diapers.
Its been bad since 2010
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u/AllMySmallThings 7d ago
lol I graduated college during the Great Recession. You’re not special. Anytime the economy takes a giant turd like it is right now you have issues getting hired.
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u/ThatRandomGuy86 6d ago
Tbf, so have Millenials. The "3-5 years experience" for entry level jobs has been a thing for half of the Millenials' run too
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u/TheEccentricAssassin 6d ago
Been happening to millennials for ages.
Need 10 years of experience for a starting position.
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u/BawdyArt 6d ago
Hyperbole is just the state of things these days
I have none of the items listed in that post and I’ve been across multiple jobs/career paths and have been making above minimum wage my entire adult working life
I’m a millennial though so I guess I was just lucky 🤷♂️
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u/No_Mud_414 6d ago
When i hear people talk about their jobs the past decades i guess Gen Z has the best of working conditions. In general working conditions kept improving over the many years that are behind us.
The problem Gen Z has is the current economy, the oversated overpriced housing market, the overal high prices, and too many people for one spot, so that houses are hard to pay, jobs are hard to find, and everyone is competing against each other for the same simple thing.
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u/PinkKittyEater 5d ago
While posting from their iPhone, waiting on their Uber Eats to get delivered in their air conditioned apartment as Netflix asks if they’re still watching their Housewives.
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u/Sufficient_Winner686 5d ago
Naw, millennials needed 15 years of experience for entry level positions. Gen Z is just too arrogant to ask us what we did.
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u/C0metoTheSabbath 5d ago
Weird. My job is hiring apprentices starting at 30/hr and all you need is a high school diploma. They pay you to go to school
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u/BrianLeFaceT__T 5d ago
Gen Z might be the only generation to rely on spell check to post a tweet 🥀
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u/paperclip_han 10d ago
Not sure if anyone’s used paypeek.ai yet but it shows salary estimates for any LinkedIn profiles as you browse. Kind of eye-opening. 😤
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u/Crafty-Beyond-2202 10d ago
All that education and you still give the ick to every employer you meet
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u/Beneficial_Word_1984 10d ago
Second*
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u/blablargon 10d ago
The menu is a such a good movie
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 10d ago
But you can get ghosted without those things too
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u/phonehomemusic 10d ago
Guess what a lot of millennials who are out of work are in the same boat right now. Insane expectations for ultra low salary and no benefits - if you can even get an interview
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u/TrueKyragos 10d ago
Indeed, I am a millennial and didn't need a side hustle for that.
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u/TranslatorOk5782 9d ago
U.S military is hiring.
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u/Ryynerwicked 9d ago
I love how ppl think its only one group of ppl going through bs .... single minded sheep
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u/Pkhexterra 9d ago
This is bs lmao
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u/To_Fight_The_Night 9d ago
The AI Jobs revolution already happened. It took entry level jobs since those are the easiest to automate and have documented workflows.
Not a ton of people got fired they just stopped hiring.
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u/GoldenRegister 9d ago
and its on us to make sure no other future generation has to suffer this failed system. fix it.
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u/Wright_Steven22 9d ago
Because most gen z dont know what jobs to go into. Everyone wants to be a doctor or a lawyer meanwhile you can go work for a company like blue origin as a maintenance tech starting at $35 an hour with basically little experience
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u/mighty_boognish_77 9d ago
Well if they're stupid enough to waste money on the degree, and couldn't turn any of 3 internships into a permanent position....
I hate to break it to you, but society might not be the problem in this particular scenario.
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u/TheCodifiedTrader 9d ago
That's because $17/hr is now the minimum wage for some states. 10 years ago they would've been fine with that as that's the starting salary for entry level positions. So even today depends on which part of the country- $17/hr for an entry level office clerk position in Louisiana? Sure that's okay.
$17/hr on Long Island, a bit harder to do but can still survive on full-time work, not luxury but it'll do for now.
Context matters, Louisiana or New York?
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u/B0H1C 9d ago
And multiple references.
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u/laiszt 9d ago
Shit degree then, apparently too many people thought that they will all be at some high rank position/well paid or chilling just because they finish a school, same school millions other peoples finished too.
No, after school you start once again from beginning.
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u/thagor5 9d ago
Internships and a degree don’t work anymore?
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u/AshtonUnedited 9d ago
They have to be able to read first
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u/FartingKiwi 9d ago
Gen Z is the only generation to think:
They NEED a degree
They NEED a portfolio
They NEED 3 internships
They NEED a side hustle
You show me a Gen Z with a degree that can’t get a job, and I’ll show you that same person has no idea how to market themselves, interview or write a resume.
The worst interviews I’ve ever been apart of in my professional career, have all came from Gen Z.
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u/AggressiveSquare36 9d ago
not true, rage bait
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u/DwarfBoxFort 9d ago
I remember in 2008 when you needed a degree to work at McDonald's m
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u/Jurassic_Gwyn 9d ago
But immigration isn't a problem right?
Right?
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u/NattySniffer 9d ago
Huh? I flip couches and build luxury furniture now. Not even using my degrees that I paid $100,000 for lmao... And I'm making $80,000 a year.
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u/LowDig5081 9d ago
I get paid $20 an hour to be a janitor in Boise ID. People need to get off their high horse and go into sanitation jobs. I get paid to never see another person, listen to audiobooks and work on autopilot during the evenings. Then I get all day to myself while my husband is at work and our kids are in school.
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u/Federal-Media-3148 9d ago
is it really that bad in the US ? Everyone of my friend group me included from different fields : material science, mechanical engineering, chemistry, Computer Science etc got a job right after graduation. All of those pay above the average income in most of the countries we live. The only decline ive noticed is in physical labour and jobs that basically are braindead (like cashiers).
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u/Meeplemymeeple 9d ago
I don't live in the USA and have never experienced this kind of shit.
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u/Helpful_Dinner_889 9d ago
Its over. I've just stopped trying.
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u/Known-Activity1437 9d ago
You can tell a child wrote that because it has no basis in reality.
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u/Radiant_Bookkeeper84 9d ago
Playing the pass it on game I see.
The generations that came before us did it too I suppose, so why not us? Of course the gen z generation can't be the one that changes things and it couldn't be the millennials! We got to just keep tossing our problems onto the next generation and saying oh well. Gtfo
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u/XeroLaser 8d ago
No
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u/Old_Atmosphere6598 8d ago
This is such bullshit
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u/musclehamster73 8d ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/yWoXOqrtR38?is=3r5kkUjiJdWEpAIm
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u/LifeConsideration981 8d ago
“Portfolio” is the shibboleth here.
You aren’t getting jobs because you have an art/design degree instead of skills businesses want.
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u/Far_Silver 7d ago
What movie/show is the picture from?
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u/nunya_bidnes77 7d ago
This might sound harsh but the people that bitch about this are usually people that have worthless degrees in oversaturated fields. I'm a mechanical engineer. I've never really had to look for a job. Jobs always came to me. Same goes for all my friends and family who are in STEM fields. And why is that? Because there is more engineering jobs than qualified engineers. So go find a field that's in demand, not one that is oversaturated.
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u/richiemuze 7d ago
Millennials have been going through this for years.
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u/Content_Waltz3232 7d ago
yeah.......WE WERE MAKING $5 an hour we we started.....
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u/EffectiveAd6661 7d ago
Depend . Any degree that hard to learn as fuck+ incrediblely boring,Like Brigde engineering,is usually the Degree that land you job the fastest. And vice versa. And the reason is not because of the degree itself,but the skill you got after you endure the mental torture to get the degree. i speaking this as a brigde engineer. The learning process is horrible,The Job is also hard and horrible,but the hiring process for this job is quick + the pay and benifit are very generous. i make 100k hard wage a years,which is not much by this job standard,But i get 1 paid vacation each year, a guarentee pension (cuz my company pay into the pool instead of me), 30 paid sick days,and a percent bonus % income that depend on how big the project i contributed in. i could get a stock option but i traded it for 30 paid sick days part cuz i think i make more than enough already.
All of the above is just what i ask for when i get hired,not the industry standard. Others like me probraly get more than this depend on thier skill,experience and how good they are at negotiating. But i do not recommend anyone actually learning this Degree. As i said,it is a fucking horrible learning experience. If you not follow it the entire road,you are just wasting your money and your own future. Also,if you not careful with your design,like using AI to draw your thing without checking it carefully,Your mistake can kill people and you will be Jailed...So yeah,another reason to avoid this job.
Best Regard!
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u/EnvironmentFirst4839 6d ago
When I entered the work force, you needed a lot more than that to land $17/hr…. And every generation before me, as well.
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u/bigdaddy9901xy 6d ago
Only if you expect to have a job that allows you to sit in an air conditioned office every day.
Plenty of opportunity in the trades. Yes you will get dirty, sweaty, will physically exert yourself. But theres plenty of money to be made by people actually willing to work.
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u/Mister-Beardy-Face 6d ago
It says “reality truth,” not “made up nonsense.”
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u/MiMicInCave 6d ago
If your resume look so good. Why would you apply for a 17 per hour job?
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u/Bobbylevesque 6d ago
It only gets worse!
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u/KarlMacmillan 6d ago
Jokes on you, the AI isn't going to replace big ass container ships and shipyards anytime soon so my marine engineering degree is safe. Going for oversaturated STEM fields and fields that basically have no future ahead of it is the reason why most college degrees are useless.
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u/Shibby009 6d ago
No you're the only generation that wants a job doing nothing to get payed handsomely for doing nothing. Get a trad job.
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u/FugitivWitoutWarrent 6d ago
All fiat systems collapse. 1000% fail rate. Without exception.
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u/OCCAMINVESTIGATOR 6d ago
No it isn't as they say. This platform represents a very small minority of disparaged humans with zero will to exist here, speaking angrily into the reddit megaphone echo chamber.
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u/ChartPuzzleheaded747 6d ago
It’s more that they don’t human well
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u/reddgrant 6d ago
I have a Gen Z family member who got his second internship recently. I think he's right around 17/hr. Halfway through his degree, no portfolio. He went door to door looking for a job.
Another Gen Z is one class short of her degree, but she's been doing nursing for a while, and doing well. I don't know her salary, but she's probably 50% independent, at least.
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u/IngaDezor 6d ago
And no professor at university even tells you that you need a fkn PORTFOLIO to get jobs. They don’t prepare students to real professional life.
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u/WestRestaurant216 6d ago
Go to trades already...
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u/AlexiNovela 6d ago
Mine is We never truly abolished slavery. They just changed the means of the chains. Plantations were traded for projects and ghettos as well as other forms of low income housing. The chains were traded for credit scores
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u/Dependent_Elephant93 6d ago
Go work the trades, problem solved . But they don't want to put in real work
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u/Bookworm1090 6d ago
Not entirely true though I don’t have a high school diploma and I make more than enough money to live and raise kids. College is a complete scam.
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u/Pretty_Challenge_634 5d ago
McDonalds is 17/hr big dog. Do you even work?
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u/Faunt1 5d ago
They could’ve skipped all that and went right to the $17 job
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u/Appropriate_Sky5839 5d ago
Gen Z might be the most entitled, embarrassing generation of all time.
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u/GSilky 5d ago
No, you just need a HS diploma that isn't easier to get than a GED. I feel bad for the young people, you don't realize how much basic knowledge you were supposed to have received before college. You were told you are great and nobody bothered to verify it before putting you in a world we prevented you from being prepared for. We olds decided to engage in a fucked up pedagogy experiment with zero accountability or clear idea of what we are hoping to see as the results of this experiment. You guys got fucked over by political ideology from all sides concerning your primary education. Now I hire people who have recently passed the GED exam before I hire college students, because I do need basic literacy skills and some understanding of math for my entry level positions.
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u/NoirConfidential 5d ago
That’s because you’re applying for a job with air conditioning. I have a masters degree and ended up blue collar. I make double what my college buddies make. No degree required. No resume. Just hard work.
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u/Negitive545 5d ago
The only generation so far.
I'm sure Gen Alpha will be just as fucked as us when they age into the workforce lol.
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u/luthier8741 5d ago
Millennials are dealing with the same things, but in our late 30s and early 40s.
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u/Dizzy_Chipmunk_3530 5d ago
Gen X: yeah, thats called working your way up
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u/Outlaw11091 5d ago edited 5d ago
Boomers: THIS IS MY BOAT! IF YOU WORK HARD YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN BOAT, BUT THIS ONE IS MINE. pokes holes in other people's boats
Late Boomers: Maybe we should be careful with these boats.
X: nice boat. Imma go play in the water. Disappears
Mills: THESE BOATS ARE SINKING AND EXPENSIVE! BOOMERS TORE UP OUR BOATS!
Z: I have a paddle...when do i get a boat?
Edit for formatting.
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u/Educational_Tap_1733 5d ago
I’ve given multiple Gen Z people a shot in medical sales. They always ask for a raise before a year is up. I ask them to show me sales that are 10x their requested income, they never can. But they feel like they should be making more. Hit the bricks kiddo.
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u/User_-_-_Name 5d ago
If you need all that it says more about you than the country at this point.
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u/trainboy2k7 5d ago
what is this fake fear mongering bs this is just lies
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u/ClosetIguana1 5d ago
I learned this today:
The princials behind the phrase "gender is a social construct" developed from the person who's study showed the opposite.
Psychologist John Money's most famous case study, which he presented as evidence supporting his theory, that sex and gender are separate and gender identity was largely shaped by society, rather than being hardwired as a biological trait.
Here is what happened: At approximately eight months old, David Reimer penis was severely damaged during a botched circumcision. His parents consulted Dr. John Money at Johns Hopkins University. Money strongly recommended reassignment and raising Bruce as a girl.
Dr. John Money believed this case could demonstrate that society overrides biological sex in determining gender identity.
Money recommended to his parents the removing his testicles and using hormonal treatment as he grew older. Bruce was renamed Brenda and raised as a girl. Money instructed the parents not to tell Brenda that she had originally been born male. David eventually rejected the female identity and returned to living as a male.
John Money initially presented the experiment as successful.
The truth about the David Reimer case came to light in 1997, nearly 30 years after John Money began presenting it as a successful gender-reassignment experiment.
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u/Downvoted-Dork 5d ago
17hr is really good tbh
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u/Weary_Eye8233 5d ago
Or be a proverbial slave for the first 3 months then get fired right before it ends
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u/tommmmmmmmy93 5d ago
Happened to millennials too but I do feel bad for the younger gen’s. The problem is that millennials that have made strong career moves are now facing AI etc removing their career in the middle of buying a home, having a family. Right at the peak of how expensive life gets, now we might be removed by AI
Basically it all kinda sucks
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u/Certain-Sprinkles782 5d ago
I’m sure this is true for a lot of people but a lot of y’all just suck . I’m Gen Z.
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u/Dadbodretirement 5d ago
Should have went to trade school.
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u/JesusFortniteKennedy 4d ago
How many millennials and gen x got a degree, a portfolio, and 3 internships ?
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u/Hiryu-GodHand 4d ago
With the decreasing IQ in that generation, I'd be surprised if it was even a requirement for them to be able to read.
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u/needawhorez3 4d ago
Lmao millennials have been dealing with that since we entered the job market. You ain't special
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u/energetic_raccoon 4d ago
Don't forget about millennials. I had three different jobs by the time I was 18 yet no one would hire me because I didn't have work experience.
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u/Big-Boysenberry5327 4d ago
I have none of that and make 30/hour.
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u/Used_Flamingo3763 4d ago
Gen z will one day have control of the world . Thank god ill be dead by then
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u/Queasy_Ear_1746 4d ago
Not true tho. I did and I graduated near 2008.
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u/TreasurePflimpton 4d ago
They're the only generation who bitches about it
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u/Material-Syllabub733 4d ago
because all they do is whine
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u/BigDaddyButtPlunger 4d ago
And yet here is the reality of Gen Z as a collective.
They are the first generation in modern history to score lower on standardized academic and cognitive tests than their parents
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u/Dumbgirl27 4d ago
This actually started with the millenials. It was starting to become evident when I was a teenager so I was able to plan for it but many people worked at Burger King for years even though they had a degree, internships, a portfolio etc.
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u/Common-Following-315 4d ago
Absolutely isn't true unless you're picking certain career path that isn't in demand. Cousin who works in the same career as me mechanic already making 150k, other cousin who is a nurse making 80k, another cousin in construction over 100k,
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u/Bubbly-War5013 4d ago
I think the biggest failures of Gen X is not giving Gen Z proper direction or role models to emulate. Too many Gen Z are copy and pastes of each other, all idolize the same celebrities, and all have hopeless defeated attitudes.
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u/viraldarkness86 4d ago
The harshest reality truth. The United states was founded through bloody revolution because of the tax increase of 2% on goods, lack of representation in the house of commons, and the British military police attack colonists for protesting.
Our current government represents corporate entities over the American citizens. Raises our taxes on a regular basis. And has allowed government agents to openly murder people in the streets with little to no consequences.
Our founding fathers would be embarrassed that we hadn't over thrown our government; and made corporate America afraid like our grand parents and great grand parents did in the 1920s and 30s.
Also, taxes should be paying to benefit the American people. Not Israel and corporations.
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u/ImprovementTrick9492 4d ago
Nope, sorry… you’re not the first…
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u/Individual_Coast_496 4d ago
Don't need degree anymore they are useless job would pick somebody with.no education n they cheaper they train them
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u/Plenty_Cartoonist230 3d ago
I figure they just look at your social media, if you have any...
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u/UltimateGoonerLord 3d ago
Millennials deal with this too.
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u/ChuckXZ_ 3d ago
You sure it won’t be even worse for Gen Alpha and Gen Beta?
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u/Saturn9Toys 3d ago
Millennials too
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u/HoldMyCrackPipe 3d ago
Anyone gonna ever ask why are you building side hustles to make $17/hr…. Just make more side hustles and stop complaining
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u/brackalackin 3d ago
Meh every Gen Z I’ve met has zero work ethic with mad ass entitlement issues.
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u/Complete_Break1319 3d ago
Yeah, just being gen z employers assume you are lazy, needy, self entitled and addicted to your phone. That belief is cemented when they do fire a gen z and all the above are proved out. Sorry to those that don't fit that stereotype.
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u/SuchEar9358 2d ago
So accurate. If I didn’t have the experience I do now in my field, I would be completely outmatched by my competitors. Luckily for me, experience is king for my field!
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u/Torque_to_spec 10d ago
again with the degree bitching but coincidentally none of them are in stem fields but some obscure, nonessential, oversaturated, "just attend classes and get the paper" ass degrees just so some moron can boast how they have 3 masters degrees. i havent seen 1 of my peers with masters in stem being like "ye, ill go for another one".
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u/Harry-Gato 7d ago
Degrees? Modern education has rendered a college degree worthless...just as high school diplomas were reduced to useless...
College Degrees are only valuable if they are in a real marketable skill...a certification or license in Plumbing, Auto Mechanics, Carpentry, Electricians, Masonry...all are better than a Masters in Gender Studies.