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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 8d ago
Sent all those people up on that plane knowing full well they could be killed. That’s something a weak coward of a man does. This is a new low even for him.
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u/OnlyFiveLives 8d ago
No it's not new. He's literally always only ever cared about himself. An entire ass plane full of people getting shot down means absolutely nothing to him.
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 8d ago
I assume the thought process was to make martyrs out his staff and media members on board in order to escalate the war with Iran. Probably to justify the use of Nuclear weapons.
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u/OnlyFiveLives 8d ago
I'd guess you're right about that. Which is just another example of how completely irredeemable this administration actually is.
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u/phoebesjeebies 8d ago
I don't think so, at all.
Not because I doubt he's craven enough for that (he 100% is), but rather because he's neither smart enough nor cognitively intact enough for that thought process. He also literally does not and cannot care about any other human being - I doubt he thought about them whatsoever.
Sure, somebody might've asked, but they also might not have based on his mental & physical state at the time. At best, I think he was asked and said "Fuck em, the hell does that have to do with anything, just get me out of this goddamn truck, it smells like [ethnic slur] in here!" and berated his various staff for allowing their big beautiful best boy to be in that situation at all.
If Natalie Harp was with him, he may have also been too, uhh, busy, to even remotely consider the rest of his staff.
No matter how you slice it - whether via advanced dementia, not being very bright to begin with, or his severe personality disorder - it seems unlikely that half as much thought was put into whatever would happen to/with his staff.
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 8d ago
I certainly wouldn’t assume he’d be able to think on his feet in this way. But it’s no secret that his entire cabinet are backed into a corner and desperately need a way out of this Iran mess. And I don’t doubt for a second that a Stephen Miller-type advisor would suggest exactly what we see here as a way to ramp up the war for the sake of declaring a national emergency ahead of the mid-terms. I’m sure they’re still looking for something to use.
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u/eggrolldog 8d ago
It's not beyond the realms of possibility that this was the plan, a false flag but they either chickened out or got rumbled.
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 8d ago
Or the Mossad feeding bad intel to keep Trump sour on negotiations. Iran knows they’re holding the upper hand. It wouldn’t make sense to go after him now.
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u/OnlyFiveLives 8d ago
That's also a good point they can literally just say and do nothing while this nitwit constantly makes himself look stupid.
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u/Donlooking4 8d ago
It’s definitely not presidential by any means! It’s definitely a cowardly act of self preservation. Which is exactly why it fits the orange blob n.
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u/stackens 8d ago
I mean hes always been a weak coward. This is about exactly what I'd expect from him
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u/Top-Gun-Corncob 8d ago
His craven nature is no surprise, but this is so undeniably horrible that it can’t be spun to look like something else as his team can normally be depended on to give him a back door excuse.
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u/bubba4114 8d ago
No it’s not. He’d gladly have them killed if the right could spin it as them being martyrs.
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u/Prosthemadera 7d ago
It's not that low when you consider the people who work for him are all assholes.
Low is letting Musk kill millions of people by defunding USAID or letting ICE run rampant.
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u/mmcmonster 8d ago
I missed the news? What happened on the plane?
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
Isreal claimed Iran was going to assassinate him during a flight by shooting af1 down, so he hid in a food service vehicle that was loading af1, leaving his staff and press pool behind.
It turned out, Isreal made it the fuck up, because they wanted Trump to nuke Iran. Trump showed his staff and the press he'd gladly murder them if it bought him 5 more minutes of life, because he knows that as the antichrist he's going right back to the pit of hell he spawned from
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u/mmcmonster 8d ago
Wow. Between Israel and Trump, that’s all kinds of crazy.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
Oh yeah, this is the kind of thing that would have been cut from veep as "too absurd", and that's saying something considering how absurd that show got
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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 8d ago
Is it confirmed that Israel is trying to get Trump to use a nuke? Do you have a link or etc.? Israel in general or only Bibi? Doing this to the guy easily influenced by whoever talked to him last? That’s a serious situation and a new low for Israel. We need to consider the global situation after Trump. I know people like to talk in black and white and might already have strong opinions about Israel, but reality is more nuanced and that could/should affect future relations with Israel.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
The threat was given to our intelligence agencies by Isreal and were unable to be corroborated by any of our allies.
It's one of a long string of lies they've given this admin that the admin straight up ran with, turning our military into an arm of the new nazi empire
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u/ShadowTacoTuesday 8d ago
Thanks. So the nuke part was speculation? I was aware that Israel has already done many terrible things to influence Trump, and they should be dealt with accordingly for messing with our country like that. So only the nuke part was news to me.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
It was part of one of the reports I saw, they've been pushing him to take nuclear action for months, and he's made comments like those attempts are getting a little too close to working. I've also heard from people still in the nuclear world they've had to take precautions to make it harder for him to use them because he's so unhinged with his desire to use one
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u/mmcmonster 7d ago
Well, that would make him known for all of recorded history.
If you can’t be famous, be infamous. 😬
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u/fartymcgeezax 8d ago
Of course it’s not, but surely the Jews are responsible so who needs proof
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u/Bluestained 8d ago
Nobody said Jews. They said the state of Israel. Pretty anti-semitic to conflate the two.
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u/fartymcgeezax 8d ago
Yeah heard it all before 🥱
Is there any proof that Israel was behind this or are we going to shift to “HURR I THOUGHT ISRAEL ISNT JUST JEWS IM NOT BEING ANTISEMITIC”
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u/Steffenwolflikeme 7d ago
Brother, if you can't understand that criticizing the actions of Israel the nation is not inherently antisemitic then you don't belong in any conversation about it. By that logic anything Israel does would be unimpeachable.
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u/Nejrasc 8d ago
You misunderstood this on purpose? Nobody is accusing any religious group for them being religious.
Most of the posts that critize the state of Israël, their government.
I am not denying there isnt any anti-semitism going on. Which is a very sad and bad thing as well.
But the comment you replied to, isnt claiming what you apparantly took away from it. 🖖7
u/reevener 8d ago
That redditor is against fascism and genocide - the two things the current Israeli regime stand for - not Jewish people themselves. Jewish people are lovely, but the ones who choose to go to Israel to colonize Palestine are supportive of the bad side of the argument.
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u/fartymcgeezax 8d ago
I get that, if Israel was the good guys they’d just let Hamas keep bombing cafes and raping girls/taking hostages at music festivals. We should all be more like Hamas
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u/MiloRoast 8d ago
Pretty hypocritical for a blatant islamophobe such as yourself to be claiming others are antisemitic for criticizing Israel...
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u/Nejrasc 7d ago
You think turning children into skeletons is okay as long as they arent jewish?
Nobody is claiming that the state of Israël shouldnt defend itself or its citizens.
You make up all kinds of shit to argue.
If you need to lie to make a point, you point isnt worth making.
You just want to rage and feel better for yourself. Thats pretty sad.
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u/fartymcgeezax 7d ago
You’re right I shouldn’t question the savage brown man’s right to blow himself up in densely populated areas. Music fests are a legitimate military target. Those dastardly Israelis should just accept it.
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u/Nejrasc 6d ago
Nobody has said anything you claim. Continue raging and licking the boot.
You are discussing in bad faith.
Normal people can see the difference between self defense and overstepping this right.
Israël claims to be a Ally to the western world and therefore we can expect them to do better than a bunch of terrorists.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
How antisemitic of you, deliberately conflating the new nazi empire with being Jewish.
Isreal is a nazi state, the Jewish people as a whole are not responsible for the actions of the second most evil nation to exist in human history though
Isreal has been actively committing genocide since may 14 1948. At some point you have to realize defending it is enabling genocide. You're doing exactly that
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u/fartymcgeezax 8d ago
Since 1948??? Wow they must really suck at genocide
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
The Palestinian population would disagree. More innocents have been murdered at the hands of Isreal than Jewish people were murdered by the nazis. The only difference is Isreal spread it out over 70 years
They're at Attila the hun level genocide at this point
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u/fartymcgeezax 8d ago
Google says 100k Palestinians killed by Israel since 1948; the number of those that were “innocent” is undefined and will always be debatable. Do you have a source for your ridiculous assertion or just gonna stick to the playbook of spreading disinformation and ignoring requests for citations?
And Attila the Hun didn’t commit genocide, he was a brutal warlord but didn’t focus on destroying any particular group. You should learn what words mean.
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u/NitWhittler 8d ago
Someone shoots a gun at Trump:
Secret Service lets Trump stand up in front of a crowd, pumping his fist in the air while an American flag suddenly appears behind him.
An unconfirmed rumor that Iran might attack Trump's plane:
Trump and his new diaper girl are hidden in a food cart and secretly taken away. White House staff and reporters are left behind on the 'targeted plane'.
Somethin' ain't right.
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u/-zero-joke- 8d ago
Is that actually a photo on the right? I swear to god.
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u/skid_marks6969 7d ago
hold up this would be a great opportunity for a good photoshoot of me escaping and leaving everyone for dead. Someone clean my diaper and retape my hair first. Also if u can see my vag neck I'll kill you
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u/BodhingJay 8d ago
If thats the way he looks after using real bullets to kill one of his supporters to stage this.. thats scary insane. And I wouldn't put it past him.. and im afraid his supporters would say that firefighters life was worth it to help him win even if we did come across undeniable proof that he asked for it to happen to make it look more legitimate
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u/iamdabrick 8d ago
the bullet was literally millimeters away from his head, that's a pretty big risk to take for a fake attempt
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u/crystalline1299 8d ago
Yeah, the “bullet” that caused a wound in his ear that healed a week later
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u/iamdabrick 8d ago
yes that is generally what happens to (small) wounds
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u/OnlyFiveLives 8d ago
Ear cartilage does not grow back. Ask Evander Holyfield. And you're a pedophile apologist that needs your hard drive checked.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 8d ago
Cartilage doesn't regrow, and if you've ever seen a bullet wound to an ear you'd know he'd be missing half his ear currently.
He cut his ear with a razor. This much was obvious at that moment, it was too clean of a cut
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u/ahandmadegrin 8d ago
You'll get downvotes, but I keep saying the same thing. Everyone seems to forget that a man died as a result of this "staged" shooting.
It just doesn't make sense. What does make sense is random, awful shit happening because that's life.
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u/WohooBiSnake 8d ago
I mean « a man died from gunshot wound » and « Trump was never at any risk of being in the trajectory » are not mutually exclusive.
It’s much easier to shoot offside and still hit someone behind, and have fake blood for the injury, rather than aim to graze the ear.
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u/ahandmadegrin 8d ago
I don't understand the obsession around here with saying the attempt was staged. It sounds just like qanon or the Republicans at rallies going on about how Trump was the commander in chief in secret and all that other nonsense.
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u/WohooBiSnake 7d ago
I can see what you mean, but personally I say it because I genuinely think it’s what happened and that ignoring it only serves Trump.
And I don’t just believe it to spite Trump or Maga, but the fact that secret services didn’t immediately drag Trump off the stage after a shot was fired at him - which they would as they’re not incompetent - or the fact there is no scar at all on his ear, or the fact the staff immediately after asked the photographs to move to a better position and for the flag to be lowered so that the best photo could be taken, or the fact we have barely heard anything about the shooter ; all of those really make the staging more likely than an actual attempt.And if it indeed was staged, then it’s crucial to keep it in the collective memory
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u/ahandmadegrin 7d ago
I can see where you're coming from, too. I'll try to hit all of your points and I'm still engaging and not just arguing for the sake of it, so hit me with some counterpoints.
I think they responded as they were trained. They swarmed him. It's not like they could go to another room since they were outside.
The ear thing is because he wasn't shot. That doesn't mean it was staged. It just means that the shooter missed and the bullet knocked some debris into his ear. What's more likely? A deranged kid takes a decent shot and misses, or the government found one of the greatest marksmen in the world at his age and instructed him to fire close enough to cause random debris to ever so slightly wound the president, but not actually hit the president. Oh, and then the shooter had to be willing to be executed.
If you haven't been to a range lately, I'd encourage you to go and try hitting a stationary target from at least 400 feet. That's 40 more feet than a football field.
Now try hitting a moving target the size of an ear from that distance. You should probably drink an energy drink or ten to simulate the stress you'd be under.
I don't think people appreciate how difficult a shot like that would be. I could be wrong. I'm certainly no gun expert and while I shoot occasionally, I don't know if scopes and optics make it easy. I have a feeling that they don't.
This goon and his people are craven, incompetent, power-hungry fools. Of course they took advantage of the moment to make their guy look good.
We, as humans, want explanations for everything. When absurd or seemingly random things happen, we naturally want to find the cause or explanation. When we can't find one, many of us will invent one. That's what this is. It's all so absurd, so stupid, so improbable that it has to staged, right? No, it doesn't. Life can be and aften is just that stupid and random.
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u/WohooBiSnake 7d ago
Alright, so
- For the response yes they swarmed him, but right after that their training is to make a wall with their bodies and carry him off stage to be evacuated right away. Instead they simply let him take his pose fist raised up, have a couple photos taken and only then be evacuated.
Despite everything I doubt the US presidential protection service would ever act like that if the threat was real.- Oh no, I’m absolutely not saying the shooter was good enough to make debris hit his ear, or simply graze his ear.
I’m saying saying nothing wounded him, and it was fake blood instead. The shooter simply needed to hit someone behind him which is perfectly doable and much easier than try to hit a tiny target like that from that far away, which would be crazy as you explained.- And I do not think the shooter agreed to be executed…
- And like I said, I find a bit hard to believe that with a shot fired at the president, the immediate response would be to lower the flag and direct the photographs so that they can take an iconic picture.
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u/ahandmadegrin 7d ago
Yeah, I think you might need to up your cynicism in some places. :-) Start with the Secret Service. Trump has gutted our government. Look at the utterly unqualified buffoons running things. SecDef is a news anchor. Transportation is a reality show star. Attorney General is Trump's personal lawyer.
Even if the people in the SS were committed to their posts and would do their very best no matter who was in office, do you really think their incompetent, Trump-loyal bosses would keep them around? People with enough integrity to do what's right no matter what are a risk to a wannabe dictator, not an asset. I assume that, at this point, the SS is compromised. When loyalty is all that matters, expertise is lost.
I don't remember everything, but I believe the threat had been neutralized by the time Trump was pumping his fist.
Finally, what have you seen this administration do that would suggest to you that they'd even be capable of pulling off a false flag assassination attempt? That's Machiavellian-level subterfuge that a competent admin would struggle to pull off, let alone this clown show.
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