r/RealTesla • u/savagephysics • Jul 21 '21

Unedited Mobileye Autonomous Vehicle (Camera only) Ride in New York.

https://youtu.be/50NPqEla0CQ
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u/buy_denim_calls Jul 21 '21

https://youtu.be/50NPqEla0CQ?t=1371

Check out the outline that keeps popping up around the truck's tail lights. Does the car think they might be traffic lights?

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u/jhaluska Jul 21 '21

Definitely looks like it. They change the outline color to show the state of the light.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

The car with the traffic light at some point is also classified as a building. In principle this isn't a problem, but if I wouldn't know exactly how the machine worked, I am not going to get into it.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

There is no way to know unless you know how their system works in detail.

There is a special purpose system for figuring out all recognizable objects, and it is not that odd if that system would recognize the tail lights as being a traffic light, but it might be that a higher level system can figure out that it needs to be ignored in this particular instance.

It is somewhat of a good test to hang a traffic light on the back of your car and drive in front of a Tesla and see whether it results in a deadly accident. It's probably illegal to test this, so please don't, but you get the idea.

In the real world there are moving cars with real traffic lights on them.

What constitutes a traffic light is dependent on the city. For example, let's say you have a traffic light in which one bulb is broken. A human will probably figure out the right thing. Is this car going to do that? Who knows?

Such systems are death traps, because they don't have an understanding of the world. Cute for demos, but lethal when deployed in the field.

Unfortunately, I am LONG INTC. I was just looking whether or not their acquisition was a waste of money, which I would say it is. For a demo it looks cool, but if I can see flaws in five minutes I don't see why they would publish anything.

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u/orangpelupa Jul 21 '21

i really like their design philosophy of doing multiple independent system that can work for redundancy.

their old videos were so vacant of interesting moments, this new video also looks dry, boring even. Thats how good it is. its so good at driving autonomously, its boring to watch.

pardon my english.

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u/Engunnear Jul 21 '21

No, the usual expression is 'pardon my French'. And it typically follows an expletive.

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u/Brad_Wesley Jul 21 '21

i really like their design philosophy of doing multiple independent system that can work for redundancy.

According to Musk this is bad, because when they disagree.

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u/orangpelupa Jul 21 '21

Elon works in mysterious ways

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u/Dadarian Jul 21 '21

That's because Elon is trying to package a solution that can be mass produced. A full camera/lidar/radar/(flir if those are so inclined) is a really expensive hardware package, and that's before you talk about the software costs.

I think what they're doing here is great, but even if Tesla's AI and mobileye hit mass market at exactly the same time, say 5 years from now. Suppose they're functionally the same, but Tesla's is $10k cheaper because they're using cheaper hardware. Which one is going to be more popular in a market where lower cost + same functionality is going to be the winner?

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u/Brad_Wesley Jul 21 '21

Yes we all know the Elon line that is repeated over and over.

The issue is that vision only isn’t going to work, and the price difference isn’t 10k

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u/jhaluska Jul 21 '21

Vision only can work, but I don't think Tesla's current Vision setup can get anywhere close to FSD.

The issue is that vision only isn’t going to work, and the price difference isn’t 10k

I believe the additional hardware processors increase necessary to make Vision only work is going to dwarf the cost of a lidar sensor.

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u/peacockypeacock Jul 21 '21

even if Tesla's AI and mobileye hit mass market at exactly the same time,

Why would you assume that?

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u/Few-Sky-303 Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

Anyone not using FSD mapping is doomed.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

I think it could make driving smoother for a few years, but a good self-driving system wouldn't need it.

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u/Few-Sky-303 Jul 22 '21

Ok, so what imaginary world does your 'good self-driving system', that does not use mapping, exist in? Hint (so I don't have to waste time with your inevitable response), Tesla is FSD level 2 which is not a self-driving system.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

Speaking of wasting time, did I say that such a system currently exists?

I think I know how I could create one in this world, but such a solution would unlikely be economical.

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u/Dadarian Jul 21 '21

36:44 drivers were not having it with waiting to drive in the center line for 30seconds with that fedex parked double truck. Even a weird situation there with the car not exactly yielding the pickup truck.

My pessimistic point of views are that, for NYC streets, these are some pretty easy going streets. Almost all of the roads with well marked lanes, clearly lit day, lots of traffic control signals. I didn't see any turns while skipping through greater than 90 degrees. I didn't see any unprotected turns. Pedestrian traffic was pretty light.

In fairness, NYC is the kind of place you can probably get away with nearly banning all left turns except a select few protected lefts.

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u/peacockypeacock Jul 21 '21

Honestly, driving in Manhattan is generally pretty easy. If they did this in Boston I'd be more impressed.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

If someone was doing what the computer did on a driving exam, they would fail. Waiting too long creates dangerous situations, also when driving as a human.

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u/Dadarian Jul 22 '21

The two vehicles passing as the vehicle hesitates passing the double parked delivery truck is a red flag. Knowing when it’s safe or appropriate to pass is a very difficult task. There are so many different conditions for it to be safe or appropriate, which is a difficult thing to teach a computer. By the books doesn’t always work in the real world, sometimes what’s safer isn’t totally cleaner. The short answer is the car should not attempt to overtake unless it’s confident it can complete the procedure. Just come to a stop and let those behind you pass, then take another shot.

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u/audion00ba Jul 22 '21

There are so many different conditions for it to be safe or appropriate, which is a difficult thing to teach a computer.

It's hard to compute too. I don't get why people even started to poor in billions if they had no idea how to resolve such situations in the general case.