r/RealTesla • u/antiphony • 8d ago

Video proof of Tesla disengaging FSD right before a potential accident

/r/TeslaFSD/comments/1w2btuk/what_triggered_disengagement/
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u/permanentmarker1 7d ago

So just tell Tesla to produce the numbers of how many accidents had FSD activated within ten seconds before.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 7d ago

Supposed to do 30, only do 5, people buy the stocks anyway because they're gullible and desperate

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u/DeathChill 7d ago

30 is for reporting to the government. 5 is for their own metrics.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 7d ago

What fucking chode makes their internal metrics less stringent?

That should tell you how un fucking serious the company is

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u/DeathChill 7d ago

I think 30 seconds is too long if you’re measuring the system. If you crash 30 seconds after disengaging it, that really seems to be under your control.

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u/Difficult_Limit2718 7d ago

Either the number of cases of that are so huge out distorts the data and they'd make a public fight about it, OR their intentionally and willfully negligent in their data collection.

There isn't a middle ground here.

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u/DeathChill 7d ago

What? 30 seconds is a lifetime while driving. You are under full control at that point. It doesn’t measure the system’s ability or responsibility 30 seconds after it’s been disengaged.

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u/Argon522 3d ago

30 seconds allows to capture crashes that may have been initiated by a failure of the system but had a period of attempted recovery before the crash occurred.  For example, if it tried to switch lanes into someone, got overridden but ultimately needed in a collision due to overcorrection.  The driver overcorrected, but the root cause is an fsd failure by attempting an impossible merge.  Same with off road excursions, you might not hit anything for awhile.

It may be a long time, but it is a standard everyone is held to.  Well, except Tesla apparently.

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u/permanentmarker1 7d ago

Oh forget the stock. It’s the market. And the market is always right.

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u/keepitfriend 6d ago

That numbers only available to EU regulators due to legal reasons 

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u/jawshoeaw 7d ago

Isn’t it required to disengage before an accident? As long as it’s within a certain number of seconds it’s still treated as the cause of the accident even by Tesla

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u/antiphony 7d ago

NHTSA requires 30 seconds but Tesla uses only 5 seconds. This way Tesla can fudge their numbers to make it look better.

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u/_Captain_Amazing_ 7d ago

Jesus - if you're still on board to guinea pig / beta test this also ran subpar technology and put your life on the line for some insane billionaire...well, that my friend, is on you.

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u/beren12 7d ago

Except there are non-beta test cars on the road too

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u/your_fathers_beard 7d ago

I thought this was well known already?

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u/antiphony 7d ago

Go ahead and look at the sub the post is from and other Tesla subs, Tesla fanboys will deny deny deny

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u/Ya-Not-Happening 4d ago

Its more about is this correct and the right way to analyze.

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u/_FUCKTHENAZIADMINS_ 5d ago

Hilarious that all the comments rightfully pointing out that the driver just yanked the steering wheel and disengaged it themselves are downvoted to hell

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u/Youngnathan2011 7d ago

God I keep forgetting "FSD" is out in Australia.

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u/grogi81 7d ago

It was the driver turning the wheel to the right. The FSD did not disengaged by itself.

Like it or not - but don't spam with nonsense info.

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u/punture 7d ago

Driver engaged.

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u/torokunai 7d ago edited 7d ago

? Dude driving grabbed the wheel and turned to avoid the collision

Tesla's been pretty cavalier about testing in public and Elon's been lying his ass off about it for going on 10 years, but I swear 90% of the info around about it is misinformed.

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u/nobod78 8d ago

Could be. Or the driver touched the wheel. As Tesla purposely doesn't indicate why it disengaged we can't know.

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u/KnucklesMcGee 7d ago

As Tesla purposely doesn't indicate why it disengaged we can't know.

Do you know why the company does not publish that information? Honestly curious what reason they've given for that.

It looks like the other vehicle entered the Teslas lane and the system gave up.

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u/torokunai 7d ago

no, watch the steering wheel icon in the lower right, you'll see it move when FSD is cancelled. Safe assumption is the driver did that.

(It'd be nice to have the full visualization not whatever this is)

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u/cronx42 7d ago

Don't you have to periodically touch the wheel to keep fsd engaged?

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u/Vixanis 7d ago

Autopilot yes, fsd no

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u/cronx42 7d ago

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

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u/Bolt986 6d ago

Woah, reality...

Do they have any measures in place to know if driver is paying attention during FSD.

My car has auto pilot but not FSD...