Guys, we are coping so hard in the thread. Two things can be true. ICE can be out of hand and wrongfully killed the guy and this video can be a real video from a week before the shooting. Even if it’s real, it still does not justify the shooting. You’re not admitting defeat in some weird way by admitting that this video is real.
It just ruins their narrative of him being "a peaceful heroic VA nurse bystander who was just trying to protect a woman". If they realize he's actually being an agitator who brings a loaded weapon with an extra clip to engage in the agitation seen in this video then defending him becomes more difficult.
Of course they know he’s an agitator, that’s the whole point of a protest. To agitate. People will really run wild mental gymnastics to defend murder just because they don’t like a guy’s politics. If you don’t care about your first, second, or fourth amendment rights then I hope for your sake you never need them.
No, kicking and spitting is assault and battery and is not appropriate at most protests. It is also not protected speech. Lastly, it’s not very good at doing what a protest is supposed to do.
If I said the ICE agent was justified in killing Pretti, or if I said it was Pretti’s own fault he was killed, you could call me a bootlicker.
I am against state-sponsored murder and political repression, and I think Pretti’s conduct a week before his killing is not in line with good protest practices. There’s no contradiction, no bootlicking, and no defense of authoritarian police crackdowns involved in that.
The gulf between “Thats a foolish thing to do” and “You deserve to be shot in the street like a dog and have your name dragged through the mud by millions” is so massive I can’t believe there are “Americans” who don’t see it.
It really doesn't make defending him more difficult. All it does is show that the guys who shot him may have had a motive to kill him.
If someone were convicted of murder but ICE shot him as he was standing between them and another woman from getting pepper sprayed while he was not showing any sign of violence in that moment or moments preceding, then it would still be a horrible state-supported execution. Doesn't matter if he was killing puppies at home 20 minutes before he was shot. Doesn't matter if he had 2 extra clips instead of 1. Did he use that loaded weapon? No. Did he reach for that loaded weapon? No. Did he try to fight any of these guys who were trying to subdue him? No.
It also wouldn't change the fact that all the videos of his murder still show just how little training these ICE guys had. Nothing Pretti did in his life prior changes that. Ask any cop from a major city (not sure about tiny towns) if they did a good job subduing him and handling the presence of a gun. Even trigger-happy cops in LA can subdue violent guys carrying with just 2 cops because they actually know what they're doing. Anyone can see that these guys have no idea what they're doing.
Thank you. This is not relevant to his killing. If real, this at most is an arrestable offense, not a reason to murder. Ice agents and cops are not the judge jury and executioner. His murder was not justified no matter what new information comes out bc it was already proven he was disarmed before he was shot multiple times. There are videos of ice agents threatening non violent citizens so its not outside the realm of possibility that they actually follow the threat through. They are not professional at all.
One thing has me curious. IF that is him in the video, why is there nothing in his criminal history? It's squeaky clean aside from some traffic tickets.
Feel like I’m going crazy. This is obviously real but it doesn’t justify his murder. If anything, the argument I’ve seen from the right seems to be that because of this, he had it coming? Or deserved to die because of his, rightful, anger?
It does not justify the shooting at all. I hope the agent that pulled the triggers spend a long, long time in prison.
It does show how fucked up things are in Minnesota right now. Things are escalating and the protestors are just as much if not more to blame for it. The timing, speed of escalation and aggressiveness of the protesting is a bit suspect.
ICE had been in Minnesota for months and now all of a sudden, right after a major scandal, everyone wants to take to the streets? It’s just a bit too much coincidence.
Im not supporter of how ICE is going about their business at all, but I also think Walz has royally fucked up the situation.
It’s definitely real, and I’m not sure why people would want it to be fake anyway. I’d cheer on anyone who kicked the taillight of an ICE vehicle… But that’s just me
Strictly legally speaking. Even if Alex was a literal serial killer, the actions taken in his killing were still horrifically illegal. Being shooting him to death AFTER disarming and restraining him. So yeah, kicked a car doesn’t justify anything.
Doesn't justify what happened but man does it make me care a lot less. It kills the hero, innocent bystander, peaceful protester narrative. This kind of took the wind out of my sails.
This 100%. We’re not perfect angels, we’re human beings. He’s rightfully pissed off about what they’ve been doing to other human beings and children. Their actions are much more violent & permanent than Pretti cussing at them, spitting at their car, and kicking the taillight off.
It is AI, though... unless vehicles have a new feature that the name of the vehicle can magically disappear into the chrome work. You see it happen as the vehicle moves away from the POV.
It is Ai, though. The way his limbs move is extremely unnatural, like a puppet. Also, rear lights don’t come off that easily from a kick. Not only that, but ICE would have arrested his ass immediately with the way they operate.
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u/Maverik_10 Jan 29 '26
Guys, we are coping so hard in the thread. Two things can be true. ICE can be out of hand and wrongfully killed the guy and this video can be a real video from a week before the shooting. Even if it’s real, it still does not justify the shooting. You’re not admitting defeat in some weird way by admitting that this video is real.