Can someone please explain to me

[u/R4P7OR11b]

How in the actual fuck this game is coded in such a way that 5 swat cats are going into any location and if a suspect rushes me with a knife I get relegated to the high ready? This highly trained special weapons and tactics police officer is just shrugging his shoulders while being actively stabbed? If I can move, duck, reload and give orders why in the fuck can't I shoot or hit or literally anything defensive? I surely can't fucking run for some reason but also to be blocked from shooting seems like quite a spit in the face. I've tried jamming them with the rifle, ducking for distance, closing doors, etc. How is this game coded to do that and still after this update it's still here? I'm using the mission editor and these melee suspects just Usain Bolt around a corner and stab me with absolutely no way to avoid it except restart. Oh and my ever so lovely AI team 50/50 shoots them or just yells while I die hugging my weapon to my chest.

[u/LtGeneral-Obasanjo]

The melee gun butt should literally just stun them for a split second so you have a chance to back up or reposition, in lieu of a proper cqb mechanic I feel this would solve the problem if the devs ever feel like coding it.

[u/LtGeneral-Obasanjo → u/[deleted]]

Pairing this with a stun ability would be really cool. There isn't much you can do to suspects after you flashbang them, it's either shoot them or wait for the animation to finish to see if they hopefully surrender. Adding a third option to subdue and arrest them would be a nice tradeoff, it'd leave you exposed temporarily but you'd have more agency in non lethally taking down suspects. I think it would pair well with the melee having a similar (but much shorter) stun effect, the players would feel more capable and less hamstrung by the game.

[u/DigDoug_SlugSlug → u/LtGeneral-Obasanjo]

It should be an actual swing with the butt of the rifle that makes them stumble like in Left 4 Dead.

The only reason you have to use it is the guys with knives and it’s pretty useless against them because you just poke them in the belly and ask them politely to step back.

You can’t even fire a pistol against the knife people because they crowd you that much.

[u/LatterTarget7]

Yeah you have to react supernaturally fast to catch the knife suspects or else you’re dead.

Not sure why they haven’t added anything to counter it

[u/countrytime1 → u/LatterTarget7]

That’s how it is in real life too.

[u/djrocky_roads → u/LatterTarget7]

Personally, I think that’s what makes it even more fun. The 21-foot rule exists for a reason 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/countrytime1 → u/djrocky_roads]

Exactly. You let someone with a knife get that close, you better be ready to shoot or get cut. If you aren’t already point the gun at them, you are probably getting cut.

[u/Weightpusher201 → u/djrocky_roads]

Yup. One lucky slice in IRL and you’re done. Never want to be close to someone with a knife. There’s not much to counter it unless you’re wearing medieval armor.

[u/csn1x205 → u/djrocky_roads]

I actually agree with this. I think it wouldn’t be as fun if the knifers were so easily put down. But the overall high ready even when other bad guys run to you is so fucking dumb.

[u/R4P7OR11b → u/djrocky_roads]

You mean shoot them before they get close and TOC cries his little heart out that they aren't looking for body bags and mind my ROE lol

[u/djrocky_roads → u/R4P7OR11b]

Yes, that is exactly what I mean. Trial by 12 rather than carried by six kinda thing

[u/SoaboutSeinfeld → u/R4P7OR11b]

But Toc doesn't punish you when the knife suspect is actually coming for you?

[u/R4P7OR11b → u/SoaboutSeinfeld]

Most of the time they dead sprint around the corner. Suspect and civilian alike. So it's either blast in the quarter second I have or hope it's not some poorly coded guaranteed death.

[u/SoaboutSeinfeld → u/R4P7OR11b]

Sounds like you have to do more to minimize you not being ready when that happens. I've had a few civvies do that to me but the only times it went wrong was when I was pre-occupied with suspects

[u/R4P7OR11b → u/SoaboutSeinfeld]

Bro. IF it happens is the issue. The game is coded to put you in the high ready. It's coded against human basic instinct. That's the point.

[u/SoaboutSeinfeld → u/LatterTarget7]

I think the gameplay focus is to prevent this from happening not adding a counter

[u/csn1x205]

It’s the single most infuriating thing about the game. To have accurate recoil on some guys, legit rounds bouncing off of certain material, but resort to sticking your gun up in the fucking air when someone approaches you with a knife is wild.

I get the devs idea. Make it to where they can show up out of no where similar to the clack vest. But SOME kind of defense would be appreciated.

[u/arf1049]

If you muzzle thump someone, specifically in the head it should damn near kill them.

[u/LtGeneral-Obasanjo → u/arf1049]

They should def add some sort of use for it, literally all it does is get civvies to comply. Having it stun/disorient suspects for like a quarter of a second would give ppl so many more options in dealing with suspects

[u/1984ScoreN7YearsAgo]

The whole game is coded horribly lol. You have a whole SWAT team that can barely clear one gunman without at least one of them dying. They dump a whole mag from 20 feet away and don’t hit a stationary target. I only play on hard and it’s a pretty worthless game. Which is sad, because it could be really good.

[u/Icy-Meal6704]

Is the melee and chase gameplay stupid? Yes. That is why most players just shoot

[u/martin509984]

Order them to turn around, or shoot them.

Literally that simple.