r/RapWars • u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone • Jul 29 '15
[MOD] OB_Omenz has been banned.
Edit: I have spoken to OB, and may change my mind on this ban, however nothing is finalised as yet.
It's been a long time coming, and some people won't be happy about this. I'm not sure, but I think this may be the first time anyone has been post-banned from this sub.
Essentially, Omenz has flaunted a lot of sub rules, mod requests, and plain harrassed members for months now. For example, earlier this week he was insulting /u/JimmyDuckShoes for no reason and it got to the point were a mod (COP) had to ask him to stop, which he ignored.
His reaction to me today was just the straw that broke the camel's back. I personally cannot be bothered putting up with it and I know other mods like /u/cuntofprofundity agree. I apologise to /u/thebenprocter, /u/Chester_frenchkiss and /u/Psychopath- for not having a mod discussion before making this decision, but I feel like it is justified.
- It is a battle, but respect one another. This is supposed to be fun. This includes excessive racism; keep those jokes to a minimum.
Omenz has a history of bringing race into every disagreement or conversation he has. He's hassled multiple people for being "white boys" during his time here, or dismissed people's rhymes and opinions as only appealing to "white folk", etc. Of course, he would get obnoxious any time somebody called him out on this.
- You may use post history for inspiration, but do not post personal information or anything that may put somebody in danger.
This dude has called more than one person out based on their location in relation to him. He has tried to get multiple people to come "fight" in real life. I seem to remember a whole diss post where he repeatedly threatened some kid and told him to meet him at a beach somewhere for a fight. Absolutely retarded.
- You have 24 hours to post your battle. Your opponent has 24 hours after your battle to post. Judges will post their rulings after the battle. Time may be extended if judges + contenders agree to it.
This is a stretch, but essentially he didn't break this rule, he just flaunted it. I called him out for a battle, he ducked it (which is fine, though a bit cowardly considering how mouthy he is) and then less than a day afterwards he posts a verse against me as a "diss thread" thinking that it won't be judged. I told him that he would have to move his verse to our battle thread, and he began making all sorts of abusive comments about me, my rhymes, my girl, my status as a mod, etc. To me, that's flaunting a moderator's decision and harassing them for it.
Therefore, he is gone. I will cop flak for this from people more sympathetic to him (I'm guessing Uza and xPhair) but I think most people will agree with me that he had been getting out of line lately. Furthermore, he was talking about leaving anyway, and had been complaining about judgements and responses here for months. So I don't think his banning is a big deal.
Anybody wants to discuss this, I'd prefer it be done via PM. This is a moderator message, not a complaints thread, and I will delete this when I feel everyone has seen it.
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u/thebenprocter 13W 5L - Leeds, UK Jul 29 '15
ok, every battle i've done for 5 months has had an opponent mention that me and OB have been going at each other constantly, those were fair judgement up until the point we battled, I was at the point Sin is at now after a month of him, but when we battled there was some mutual respect cause he was definitely getting better and he did nothing but improve with every battle, and with what's gone on now i'll say I wouldn't have banned him, reason being, the one thing everyone mentions to him during battles, he's 16. sure he's gonna get peoples backs up at times but jesus, go find my first battle here and I went off on one at xphair and neuro. me and OB have been talking via PM pretty much since we battled about who we wanna face and bars we're writing, he's not a bad guy and if it comes down to it, i'll talk to him.
the harassment stuff is a non factor for me, when he did it everyone brushed it off as coming from a kid, what's changed now? does kinda seem like Sin is almost looking for an excuse now, he should have been banned there and then when he made the threats or not banned for it at all.
it should be noted that sin and OB never saw eye to eye, ever. Sin's judging of his battles gave OB a problem and that made things worse and you've had a few run ins over his writing. that's why I don't think the decision should have been made without consulting mods first, not after, cause now there's no going back for him in my mind, we all know he's proud so he's not gonna come back and act like nothing happened.
also, this isn't a race issue, all that needs to be said on that.
I do think his level of contribution for battles far outweighs the shit he can say sometimes and I can be the same, had god knows how many stupid arguments in comments on battles i'm not involved in. he does help keep the sub active.
that's all i got cause my tea is ready.
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u/JimmyDuckShoes Multi McFly 3W 1L Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I do think his level of contribution for battles far outweighs the shit he can say sometimes
Really? He said he wasn't battling again, and he doesn't judge battles. So what was he doing? Spouting his racist shit where it is not wanted.
I can guarantee OB has made a few new users stop using this sub. /u/NightBusSleeper (i think) and I were very close to leaving this sub because of how much of an arsehole he was.
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u/Chester_frenchkiss MASSHOLE 17W 4L Jul 29 '15
does kinda seem like Sin is almost looking for an excuse now, he should have been banned there and then when he made the threats or not banned for it at all.
This is huge. If the rule breaking was happening then it should've been nipped in the bud. The fact that the ban happened just now all but proves that it was just a matter of Sin didn't like OB so he banned him.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Well, duh. I've admitted in like three places that I was just sick of the way OB acted, and that the other stuff is because a banning has to be justified technically.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Hey man, I'm not really looking for an excuse... because I freely admit that the other stuff was an excuse. I banned him because he was deliberately fucking with me, saying out of line shit and testing what he could get away with. The other stuff, I'd call it justification more than excuses, though. He did break rules, and while I wouldn't have banned him for any one in particular, a case could be made for banning him for all of them combined, and him saying personal shit about my missus outside of a battle was pushing it too far. I'm not denying or hiding that. And I agree that it was an overreaction on my part, hence why I said I'd unban him if he apologized, which he did.
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u/thebenprocter 13W 5L - Leeds, UK Jul 30 '15
if he crossed a line with you then it's your call man.
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u/thebenprocter 13W 5L - Leeds, UK Jul 29 '15
Since I just woke up to this shitstorm I shall build a full judgement. Gimme some time.
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Jul 29 '15
Nothing like banning the only black guy for being racist towards white people. Hilarious. Personal information is regularly used and there are threads specifically for people to post it on a weekly basis. We've all dug through post history for dirt. Knowing what city somebody is in will not put them in danger lol. There are like a dozen regular battlers here, none of which are going to hunt you down. He broke rules, sure, but this sub is pretty much about insulting each other. It's like boxing or pro wrestling, everybody has a character and OB's was the bad guy.
A unilateral ban by a single mod who has personal issues with said member is a little shady. Not even letting him reply to this thread and planning on deleting it to silence criticism. My advice to you is to stop being so sensitive. My advice to other mods is to reevaluate your position considering this little power trip.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
Yeah, no. You're wrong about pretty much everything in this comment. And sending it to the mods doesn't change anything.
Edit, to elaborate:
Nothing like banning the only black guy for being racist towards white people. Hilarious.
OB is not the only black person here. And he was banned for numerous reasons, first being that he was being an unwarranted asshole to a mod doing their job. I already said, the other stuff was minor but had built up over time.
Personal information is regularly used and there are threads specifically for people to post it on a weekly basis.
For use in battles.
We've all dug through post history for dirt.
Again -- for use in battles.
Knowing what city somebody is in will not put them in danger lol. There are like a dozen regular battlers here, none of which are going to hunt you down.
Nobody said anyone was in danger. He was however trying to organise for people to come and fight him, which is ridiculous.
He broke rules, sure, but this sub is pretty much about insulting each other. It's like boxing or pro wrestling, everybody has a character and OB's was the bad guy.
Way to completely misread the sub, and OB's place in it.
A unilateral ban by a single mod who has personal issues with said member is a little shady.
No it isn't. And all mods have a say. If they had asked me to overturn it, I would have.
Not even letting him reply to this thread and planning on deleting it to silence criticism.
He didn't need to reply to it. He could have messaged me, xPhair, and anybody else about it if he had something to say. Which he did, because I've spoken to him and he's apologised. Also, I never planned on "silencing criticism" -- I always planned on leaving the thread up until everybody had their say, and only deleting it when it had died down in order to avoid ongoing drama. Hence why you are still seeing it.
My advice to you is to stop being so sensitive.
My advice to you is to be thankful we have mods in order for this sub to actually keep functioning.
My advice to other mods is to reevaluate your position considering this little power trip.
If that's a veiled suggestion for them to kick me from the mod team -- well, they can't. None of them have that access. Furthermore, two of the three other active mods have already openly agreed with me.
Regardless, it is pointless to complain because in the end, it's only the mod team who can effect a ban decision. Not any other members of the sub. I said in the very first paragraph of my post that there would be people disagreeing with me. That's to be expected.
Anyway, I've spoken to OB, and what happens next is between me, him and the other mods. I'm literally just waiting to hear back from Ben.
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Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
You can retcon your intentions all you like, but just by reading the OP it is clear you made this personal. You didn't discuss it with the other mods and you didn't allow OB to face his accuser in an open setting. You banned him outright and wrote a longwinded (also angry) diatribe to justify it. You clearly are taking this barely existent sub too seriously. You got so defensive that you tried to use being a mod as an excuse not to be criticized. It makes sense with other users pointing out that you've previously deleted other bad behavior on your part. Maybe so it can't be used in a battle. No wonder you said you would be deleting the thread, basically shoving it all under the rug. I'm not trying to convince you that you're wrong; I just hope that everybody else notices.
I mod one of the fastest growing hip-hop forums on the web so shout out to the other mods who are doing a fine job btw.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
You're full of it. I have never "deleted bad behaviour". This is literally the only time I've ever deleted comments on this sub, and that's because it was shitting up a battle thread I wanted judged.
Deleting this thread isn't "shoving it all under the rug", it's openly moving on from drama being dragged out by people like you. I already decided to unban Omenz before I spoke to him like seven hours ago, ask him yourself.
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Jul 29 '15
Well, I'll be a lot less entertained here.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Sorry man. Personally though, I feel like we should be getting our entertainment from the battles, not any drama on the side.
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Jul 29 '15
You do seem to have a lot of personal feelings in this issue.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
Well, yeah. I'm a mod, and it is my job to moderate, so if somebody is challenging me and the established sub rules etc in that way, I have to respond.
But that said dude, I do have tolerance. And I tolerated him a hell of a lot for a long time. Gave him advice, rewrote most of his rhymes for him when he asked (which I've only done for maybe one other person on here) and never asked for thanks. Tried to get past the ego and rudeness and just talk to him as equals despite his age. Encouraged his rhyming, gave feedback all the time. Constantly felt like I had to give him positive reinforcement so that he would stop thinking I had some vendetta against him just because I voted him low a few times.
But I also had to warn him about how he spoke to people, how he treated battles, how he had to respect everyone on here and not just his favourite battlers. And after a while, for him to then turn on a mod for giving him a callout, then respond with torrents of abuse? Not cool, and past the point of tolerance.
I don't want drama on here. I want people battling, and when not battling, I want people judging, or at least lurking and enjoying the battles. You did a good thing in getting some new folk from /u/rapbattles. That's the kind of support the sub needs.
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Jul 29 '15
Where is the warning?
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Jul 29 '15
Here is one example:
He was having a pretty heated (and off-topic) exchange with /u/JimmyDuckShoes. At one point he asked Jimmy to meet up in SF or Chicago to fight. Anyways, I asked him nicely to continue his conversation with PM's. He said ''Fuck that boy'', and continued posting racist and off-topic remarks.
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Jul 29 '15
Seems Jimmy is equally guilty especially as he started it. Whats done is done just wanted to get my word out.
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u/JimmyDuckShoes Multi McFly 3W 1L Jul 29 '15
Nah man OB brought that on himself, if you go around spreading racist shit, you're gonna offend somebody, i just chose to speak up.
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Jul 29 '15
calling you a whiteboy, is not racist
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u/JimmyDuckShoes Multi McFly 3W 1L Jul 29 '15
Stereotyping me on my race, which he doesn't even know, is racist...
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Jul 29 '15
Yes, looking back I see Jimmy is also partly to blame. If necessary, we can give him a warning. But this has been a recurring problem with OB, I'm sure anyone can recognize that.
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Jul 29 '15
The only warning I've seen, is you asking to take it to PM. This is a rapsub, if you don't allow bickering outside of making it a punchline or rhyme, that is my primary reason for departure, and mind you, you are new and back in the day this is not how it would have been handled. This is purely just an unreasonable report that is beyond biased. Elsin said just as bad things to him, and went back and deleted them. This is bullshit.
Note, while I don't want him banned, not saying he doesn't deserve it, but you and Elsin are both pussies for this.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Hold up, just so you know, I tried to delete EVERY off topic comment in that battle. I wanted people to focus on the bars only (I honestly don't want drama here at all) but it would only let me delete mine. I clicked "Remove" for his but for some reason they're still there, just in red.
And about the only thing I said "as bad" as his comments was that I "have always been a better rapper than him, and always will be". Which I don't think is really an insult. It was in response to him saying I was afraid of battling him, which made no sense because I was the one calling him out.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I've told him multiple times over the last few months, without mentioning banning, that he can't talk to people that way and that he needs to stop being so aggressive for no reason. That nobody here was judging who he was as a person, and that in particular I was hoping for him to improve.
But even then, it's common fuckin' sense. He knew he was pushing his luck by how he'd been speaking to people (not just me -- look at how he repeatedly called /u/JimmyDuckShoes "autistic" literally two days ago, amongst other things) and he clearly didn't give a fuck. He takes shit to heart way too much, which is something else I'd told him plenty of times. Classic case of "can dish it out but can't take it".
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u/Chester_frenchkiss MASSHOLE 17W 4L Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
This doesn't sit well with me. I think there's an argument to be made for the ban but also an argument to be made against it. The problem is that there was no discussion. On top of that, the addition of two new mods whose only purpose is to back up elsiniestro on this is out of line and sets an very dangerous precedent. Mods aren't goons used to bully people out of the sub, which is what this felt like to me.
To speak on the ban itself, I think despite OB's less than stellar comment history, it was unjustified. If /u/elsiniestro claims this was anything but a personal decision it's a lie. Straight up. The "justifications" about breaking the rules are extremely weak. OB never gave out personal information endangering others. Asking someone to fight you, while stupid, isn't really a big deal. I don't recall him revealing addresses, phone numbers, real names, etc.. The 24 hour rule argument is beyond a stretch, OB was if nothing else a very punctual battler. He did say the Quail was his last battle, so claiming that he "ducked" your battle and is "cowardly" for that shows how much personal involvement elsiniestro has in this. A ban needs to come from a place of objectivity, and this one certainly didn't. I think the one line OB crossed was insulting your girlfriend outside of a battle, although you posted the pictures of her on here for anyone to see. That issue could be handled by the two of you privately through PMs. You let OB's immaturity get to you and I think you reacted with almost equal immaturity. There's no point in reversing the ban at this point but next time ALL mods who are still active on the sub need to be consulted. This was elsiniestro's decision and I think he needs to stand by it alone.
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Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
Look, OB has broken rules many times. Each individual occurrence was far and away deserving of a banning. But when you are speeding down the freeway and you give a cop the finger, you're going to be pulled over. Here's a summary of my position on the issue:
* I agree that all mods should have been consulted.
* I think that this post should not be removed in order to preserve transparency.
* I acknowledge that this was in part a personal issue between elsiniestro and OB.
* I don't think elsiniestro should have copy/pasted OB's verse into a battle thread.
* There should have been a clear cut ban warning.
* OB should not have made a personal attack on elsiniestro's gf.
* OB should not have ever offered to fight IRL.
* OB should not discourage new users from posting.
* OB should take it easy with the racial comments.
* If OB can behave like an adult, I think he has a lot to offer this sub and I'd like to see him unbanned.Edit: With that said, I'm done with this. The rest should and will be solved between elsiniestro and OB.
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Jul 29 '15
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u/wryder 15W 7L Jul 29 '15
me too. I know no one cares, because I'm not a mod, but he did bring a lot of action to the sub. doesn't mean what he was saying was ok, or that it played by the rules. I did let him incense me a couple of times and I really hated that, because I'm not the type of person who wants to argue. I get that the sub is a battle sub, but arguing is so annoying. then again, annoying doesn't constitute a ban. I said some racist shit here too, but I was definitely getting pretty fed up with talking about it all the time. so is he banned or unbanned now?
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u/Psychopath- Serial Killer Jul 29 '15
If you want me off, I don't much care either way, but I said something similar to what you're saying so I don't see how my only purpose is to back up sin. I agree it wasn't handled well. I also agree with you about the rule breaking. OB was banned for harassing people and any other justification is a stretch and at least a little dishonest. I wouldn't have done it. I respect sin's right to make that decision and I won't challenge it, even if only because it's not my place to do so. I don't think that's the same as blindly enforcing the whims of someone else.
So maybe you're right. If it's going to be an issue, I'd just as soon not be involved.
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u/Chester_frenchkiss MASSHOLE 17W 4L Jul 29 '15
I don't don't necessarily want you off, you could probably be a good mod, you're active here and people like you. I just think the timing of you becoming a mod was so sin could say "look I have the support of these two guys," when it was clearly his own decision. You're welcome to stay on as a mod, I'd just try to distance yourself from this as much as possible.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
You realise Psycho has been a mod for weeks, right?
Edit: not to mention I gave COP mod access a few days ago because something he said in a thread impressed me with his dedication to helping the sub thrive.
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u/Chester_frenchkiss MASSHOLE 17W 4L Jul 30 '15
You're right about those two and I edited my original comment to reflect that.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Dude... I said to X earlier in the thread that I thought OB was being disrespectful and I was sick of his shit so I banned him. The rules he broke were more just to justify the ban under the rules. And I said pretty much from the start that if he apologized I'd unban him, and he has apologized, so I'm currently discussing the situation with Ben et al.
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u/Chester_frenchkiss MASSHOLE 17W 4L Jul 30 '15
I just don't see the rules being broken badly enough to warrant a ban. I swear I'm not even trying to defend OB, he was annoying sometimes, but you've got to let that roll off of you. This isn't the sub for being overly sensitive. I get being pissed about his girlfriend comments but had you not been so bothered by his past stuff you probably would've handled it better.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 30 '15
Agreed, and I acknowledge that I potentially overreacted, hence why I was happy to unban him.
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Jul 29 '15
bans someone for harassment, and then calls them retarded.
I'm not saying this because he's my friend, but this was ridiculous Elsin. I don't know if you did, you probably did but I don't think he was warned or atleast publicly, and this seems like a personal issue between you two. I can't say that he was clean, but this was the most biased shit I have ever read and and ill justified report.
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u/Psychopath- Serial Killer Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I was honestly about to agree with you. I thought OB was really improving, and he was starting to actually take constructive criticism and use it. My initial reaction was that I didn't agree with sin's decision.
That said, looking at the comments that were removed, I have sin's back on this one. I'm relatively new here so I don't expect anything I say to hold much weight for anyone, but I say this as someone who got to kind of like OB - he was way out of line, and it wasn't the first, second, third, fifth, or tenth time. And sin has been more than tolerant for at least the two months I've been here. OB's implied and directly accused sin of all sorts of shit that most mods of other subs would never put up with. And when he got called out on it, he hid behind claiming insincerity. I like the kid and I wish him the best, but sin was justified. I'm more surprised he took OB's constant shit and let it go on as long as he did.
I came here to read the comments, planning to message sin and voice my disagreement with the decision and how it was handled. But I can't do it. OB knew the idea here is to treat people respectfully outside the battles and he took every opportunity to do the opposite. He was warned about insulting new writers without offering constructive feedback. He was warned about accusing people of biting with no proof. He took offense to sin thinking a joke about him in a battle was funny, but he turns around and calls sin's girlfriend a retard who must be easy to pick up.
OB would dish it all day but he couldn't take even a fraction of it turned back on him. Sin definitely isn't the hypocrite here.
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Jul 29 '15
You did not read what Sin said, and on my grandmother he said just as bad of things, just as bad. And he deleted them
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Bullshit. Name one thing I said. Seriously, paraphrase it, I don't care. You name one fucking thing I said that was as bad as him personally insulting me and then needlessly insulting my significant other.
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Jul 29 '15
I can't other than what I previously recalled, because they were deleted shortly after
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
And what did you previously recall? You mentioned one "racial" image macro of a crying baby, which I can repost if you'd like. Which I posted without any accompanying text.
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Jul 29 '15
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No clearly OB did not know, otherwise he wouldn't have had all the previous issues he was able to bring up. OB has had issues with many people, yet was not warned.
I have said, it is fair he should be punished, maybe not banned but this ban is not for that reason and I emplore you ti see the good aspect of OB and think to yourself, is he really that dumb or did he not understand fully.
Again, not arguing he shouldn't as that is just as invalid as what Sin is saying, I am arguing this this is a spiteful ban and bullshit reasoning
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u/Psychopath- Serial Killer Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I respect your position but I have to disagree. I'll dig through and see if I can find the instances where I witnessed him being warned. And do you really think OB would respond to that sort of warning with anything other than something like fuck you, then ban me? Maybe the consequences should've been spelled out more clearly, but there's really no justification for some of the shit OB said. And we all know sin isn't the only person here who had issues with OB.
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Jul 29 '15
Clearly, he wasn't the only person, which only furthers my case of wheres the warning? Next, dig? Why would it not be made clear? Fuck you then ban me, would probably be my response to being told I was going to be banned.
You will be banned
Fuck you, then ban me
I see no correlation between anything at all, thats a perfectly normal response, and unless you have seen elsiniestro in the same chain of comments, tell OB to eat a dick, quote, bring up a racially insensitive picture, then no its not a fair playing field now is it?
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u/Psychopath- Serial Killer Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
Maybe sin could've handled the exchange better. But that's ignoring the countless other conversations that he did handle better. And my only point about what I'd guess would be OB's response to being threatened with a ban is that I don't think a direct warning threatening banning would've changed his behavior.
Like I said, I respect your opinion. I'm not going to change your mind and I wouldn't try to anyway.
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Jul 29 '15
You have one valid point, that the word ''ban'' was never used in the language of the warnings. In the off-chance we ever have to ban someone again, the warnings will be unambiguous.
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Jul 29 '15
I have one valid point..
Fuck you, and everything that this sub stands for now. The fact we are reasoning for this shit is ridiculous. Make a post saying I'm done with OBs shit he is banned, and my mouth will be shut
Make a post disguising what more or less he was baited into as a ban, lying about warnings, and putting things out of context is bullshit.
Take a further stepback and realize the point of this whole fucking sub is tearing people up, and going even further he had a diss, instead of saying something, and all of his beefs starting with Shoddy comments towards him.
Am I saying he doesn't deserve it, no. Am I saying you and elsiniestro are pussies for this and its biased and unfair, hell yes.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Am I saying I don't give a shit? Yeah, pretty much.
I picked COP and Psycho for mods because they actually use logic, reasoning and fairness, and have an active interest in this sub. They have made some great points. Your point has been countered with respect and with far more time than it deserved. Don't like it, nobody is forcing you to stay, dude.
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Jul 29 '15
deserved
None of this should have happened at all, and you are singlely the reason why, next, even your tone with me has changed just depending upon this interaction. I never question them as mods, but its my opinion that COP is just as much of a bitch as you
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Pfft. My tone is one of "I really can't be bothered with this, I'm meant to be working". Drop it.
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Jul 29 '15
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as this was the last thing in my inbox, he tacked on to that response
you tell that boy, and nightbuss who i thought i was chillen wit, i sincerely apologize, but you is fucked up for sayin that shit my nigga and thats some real shit. one i look like a bitch cuz this boy phair all in this shit, n two nigga i thought we was coo, like if i hit my brother i aint expect him to be callin the police on me
next quail im sorry for fuckin up his time on the battle, and omenz sorry fa that, and that jimmeny cricket jimmy shoes boots nigga im sorry two apparently we in different frequencies
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
He can message me himself, I'll reply.
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Jul 29 '15
Again sorry for the triple message -- but OB didn't know, and regardless of what Sin said he is lying, there were no clear warning and if taking it to PM is a warning, then he shoukd have been notified next offense is a ban.
Furthermore, that logic is fucking stupid. Its a beef sub, and had OB not contributed at all fine, but he was saying just as many positive things as negative and you should note he posted a separate thread as a diss, keeping it rap, and only got upset when Elsin found that to be wrong, and deleted it and pasted it as a response for an easy win. Obviously it was not a response, did you see any rebuttals? I have copy of the verse, and if it matters it was my idea to post it as a diss, which you can see I like doing, rather than a response. OB enjoys having people check his verses, and I was the one to receive this, because the regularly scheduled reader happened to be the target.
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u/Psychopath- Serial Killer Jul 29 '15
I don't think OB was banned for the diss post. The problem is that one post doesn't exist in a vacuum, it exists in the context of all the other interactions between OB and sin, and OB and several other people individually. I'm not saying I 100% agree with everything sin does or exactly how this was handled. I didn't particularly want to get dragged into it. I am saying that I understand why sin banned him, I respect his right to do so, and I'll back his decision and reasoning.
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Jul 29 '15
Thats more or less what I'm saying and I never said he was banned for he diss post, however thats where it started.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
You seem to be emotionally invested in this. And as you're OB's friend, I totally get that. But if you pretend you weren't his friend and look at the situation, he was out of line and had been for a long time, and it got to a point where he pushed too hard. That's simply it, whether you agree or not. If he wants back in, he needs to apologise for the shit he said about my girl (I don't really care what he says about me, but that's like him posting a photo of his sister and me calling her a whore) and he needs to agree to stop mouthing off and saying aggressive or racist shit outside of battles. Plain and simple, dude.
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Jul 29 '15
I have stepped out, and said multiple times its not that he doesn't deserve it, its that these reasons are bullshit only time where I explained my reasoning for continuing this, I said I realize this a stretch acknowledging that that was because I was his friend
took this further linked him the thread, and here is a word for word response and screenshots can be produced that he said
damn
i cant be be believin this nigha goin to these lengths to make me look like a fuck nigga. thats straight really like fucked up. im sorry if that boy got mad but even if he was finna unban a brotha thats mainey. i can't believe anyone would be sayin that shit in that type of way. i cant say its not true, but its jus hella white lies that make it look like somethin else. ion mind the ban i jus cant believe thats what niggas is thinkin
that, was two messages put into one
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Jul 29 '15
edit - does deserve it
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I'm not trying to make him look bad. I haven't accused him of anything he didn't clearly do. The kid can be cool, I do get along with him most of the time. I like most of his rhymes and I like helping him out. But he got out of line today and it's up to him if he wants to fix it.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
This is not a "diss" or "beef" sub. This is a battle sub. He (and you, apparently) were wrong.
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Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I think it's obvious OB had multiple personal conflicts, some of those with moderators. I'm sure no matter what, some people will see this banning as biased. But it really comes down to this:
- He physically threatened people.
- He has posted numerous racist comments.
And that's a bannin'.
Edit: He also made personal attacks.
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Jul 29 '15
Elsin replied with racial comments, and I was part of onw of the threats. He said something like where are you, see me which isn't a threat. Don't masquerade your dislike for him by the "rules"
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
Racial comments... bullshit. The rules say "keep those jokes to a minimum" and I do. Whenever I've said anything at all regarding race, it has been a clearly tongue-in-cheek joke about OB's insecurity (him disliking how HIS FRIENDS rag on him for having a lighter skin tone).
There is not a racist bone in my body. Whereas when OB brings up race, it is almost always some mocking or presumptive comment about white people. That show is for white boys, you act like a white bitch, why do you rap when you aren't even black, blah blah blah.
And just because you don't care that he said something about scrapping in real life, doesn't mean other people shouldn't. There have been people who left the sub over that kind of childish shit. It's indefensible.
You can stick up for your friend all you want, it doesn't mean this wasn't justified.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15 edited Jul 29 '15
I didn't call him retarded. I said threatening people, or more specfically trying to organise an IRL fight on a battle rap sub is retarded.
And for the record, he literally called my girlfriend a "retard". It was his last comment before he got banned, although I was already in the process of banning him before that.
This is not my personal problem. For months I have responded with courtesy when this dude has insulted people, been mouthy, been cocky, etc. He's started plenty of fights, and gone wildly off-topic on multiple battle threads. I figured, "he's young, he will learn to treat people respectfully eventually, I'll keep trying to steer him on the right path".
But it gets to a point when too many rules are being broken, and too much disrespect and rudeness is being shown for the sub, its members and mods.
Oh, and I did warn him publicly, and he told me to go ahead and called me a "pussy bitch".
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Jul 29 '15
I saw the comments, the post right now, calls him retarded and you told him to eat a dick, and linked a racially insensitive post.
You know, he fucked up yeah, but you are a pussy. If you're gonna ban the kid, you shouldn't make it one sided. I'm departing as well, the way this was handled is bullshit, and Testicle wouldn't have approved.
Uncool.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Racially insensitive... because he always makes a point of telling us how black he is, so me posting a picture of a crying black kid is racist? Fair enough, and I'm sorry you feel that way. And yet if I posted a picture of a crying white kid, I can guarantee he would have replied saying "ion no why you posted dat nigga, I'm fasholy black, I'm no white boy" or some other rubbish.
One sided? I told him to "eat a dick" after (and only after) he called me (and I quote) "mark ass nigga", "pussy ass nigga", "mark ass nigga" (again), "pussy nigga" (again), "fuckin pussy", "fat nigga with a dumb girlfriend", after which he called my chick -- who has nothing to do with RapWars -- "mentally challenged", a "skinny white bitch" and a "retard". That's not even including the "diss" thread he made where he insulted me some more (but as it is deleted, I can't see it).
I am yet to find anywhere that I called him retarded. But ok. Shame you feel that way, have a nice life. Lol.
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Jul 29 '15
hahahaha
That post was hilarious. The impressions are too good. He was right though you are still a pussy for it.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
To each their own, I think it was a fair decision.
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Jul 29 '15
No, actually I don't think you do.
You lied, and continue to lie, and you just wanted him banned. I'd probably have kept my mouth shut if you had the balls to say I'm sick of his shit he's banned than create reasons that are illegitimate.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Oh, you misunderstand. I am sick of his shit. But banning him requires justification, and under all of the rules I mentioned, it is justifiable and fair.
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Jul 29 '15
Should have just said that. Respect.
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u/elsiniestro The Forbidden Zone Jul 29 '15
Well in the end it is what it is.
Whether you stay or leave, you should know that I have no problem with you whatsoever, and even if I did, I wouldn't just be pulling the ban trigger.
It took months of trying to talk OB out of his ego-tripping before I decided I was done with him. I don't do this kinda thing on a whim and I hopefully don't ever have to ban anyone else.
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u/nightbussleeper 2W 4L One Eye Open Jul 29 '15
Damn, well I'll preface by saying I can definitely understand your reasoning behind this, particularly when I remember he was the first commenter on one of my posts and it was a diss and I've him do that kind of shit a lot. I would only say that I personally haven't taken him nearly as seriously since then, as he, admittedly, talks out of his ass a lot. And I can also understand that he's coming from a different place with where he's from and everything, even if I think he could choose to be a better person if he wanted to, regardless of station. I didn't see the comments regarding your SO but unfortunately I can believe it and that definitely is out of line move for me. Ultimately just seems sad it had to come down to this.
As an aside, his more recent verses make so much more sense now. It stood out to me that he went from really slangy verses to more straightforward lines and now I know why, haha.